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TheYango
Profile Joined September 2008
United States47024 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-08-01 22:32:38
August 01 2012 22:30 GMT
#141
On August 02 2012 07:21 Sufficiency wrote:
The pull is purely her jungling mechanics imo. However, I believe she should NOT be played as a jungler, because her ratios are very high and her ganks are not that great before 6.

She should be played in mid; her playstyle should be similar to Kassadin, LeBlanc, and Akali - as a burst assassin with teleport.

Playing her as a burst assassin feels like a waste when her Q, W, and passive are AoE damage, and her E is an incredibly strong AoE teamfighting ability.

I would argue that she's far more likely to get full effectiveness by trying to set up other AoEs and maximizing her AoE damage, rather than tunnel-vision diving a single target.

On August 02 2012 07:25 Sufficiency wrote:
Honestly I don't think it's strong for Diana. Diana relies mostly on bursts; it's somewhat unlikely that you can proc your ult more than once....

How is it somewhat unlikely?

Q->R->E, they're all bunched up and slowed, so you're guaranteed at least one more Q->R.
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Sufficiency
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Canada23833 Posts
August 01 2012 22:34 GMT
#142
On August 02 2012 07:30 TheYango wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 02 2012 07:21 Sufficiency wrote:
The pull is purely her jungling mechanics imo. However, I believe she should NOT be played as a jungler, because her ratios are very high and her ganks are not that great before 6.

She should be played in mid; her playstyle should be similar to Kassadin, LeBlanc, and Akali - as a burst assassin with teleport.

Playing her as a burst assassin feels like a waste when her Q, W, and passive are AoE damage, and her E is an incredibly strong AoE teamfighting ability.

I would argue that she's far more likely to get full effectiveness by trying to set up other AoEs and maximizing her AoE damage, rather than tunnel-vision diving a single target.


As a poke her Q looks pretty good. But eventually she has to go in because all of her other abilities is either a gap closer or operate on (pseudo-) melee range. A single AOE spell probably does not justify her role in an AOE comp.
https://twitter.com/SufficientStats
Requizen
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States33802 Posts
August 01 2012 22:37 GMT
#143
On August 02 2012 07:34 Sufficiency wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 02 2012 07:30 TheYango wrote:
On August 02 2012 07:21 Sufficiency wrote:
The pull is purely her jungling mechanics imo. However, I believe she should NOT be played as a jungler, because her ratios are very high and her ganks are not that great before 6.

She should be played in mid; her playstyle should be similar to Kassadin, LeBlanc, and Akali - as a burst assassin with teleport.

Playing her as a burst assassin feels like a waste when her Q, W, and passive are AoE damage, and her E is an incredibly strong AoE teamfighting ability.

I would argue that she's far more likely to get full effectiveness by trying to set up other AoEs and maximizing her AoE damage, rather than tunnel-vision diving a single target.


As a poke her Q looks pretty good. But eventually she has to go in because all of her other abilities is either a gap closer or operate on (pseudo-) melee range. A single AOE spell probably does not justify her role in an AOE comp.

Wat. Everything aside from her ult is AoE.
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TheYango
Profile Joined September 2008
United States47024 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-08-01 22:39:10
August 01 2012 22:37 GMT
#144
Also, Rylai's seems like it'd be funny just for the continually re-applying slow setting up Q->R.

On August 02 2012 07:34 Sufficiency wrote:
As a poke her Q looks pretty good. But eventually she has to go in because all of her other abilities is either a gap closer or operate on (pseudo-) melee range. A single AOE spell probably does not justify her role in an AOE comp.

Short-range PBAoE doesn't count as AoE?

This just in guys, picking Amumu doesn't fit AoE comps.
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Sufficiency
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Canada23833 Posts
August 01 2012 22:41 GMT
#145
On August 02 2012 07:37 Requizen wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 02 2012 07:34 Sufficiency wrote:
On August 02 2012 07:30 TheYango wrote:
On August 02 2012 07:21 Sufficiency wrote:
The pull is purely her jungling mechanics imo. However, I believe she should NOT be played as a jungler, because her ratios are very high and her ganks are not that great before 6.

She should be played in mid; her playstyle should be similar to Kassadin, LeBlanc, and Akali - as a burst assassin with teleport.

Playing her as a burst assassin feels like a waste when her Q, W, and passive are AoE damage, and her E is an incredibly strong AoE teamfighting ability.

I would argue that she's far more likely to get full effectiveness by trying to set up other AoEs and maximizing her AoE damage, rather than tunnel-vision diving a single target.


As a poke her Q looks pretty good. But eventually she has to go in because all of her other abilities is either a gap closer or operate on (pseudo-) melee range. A single AOE spell probably does not justify her role in an AOE comp.

Wat. Everything aside from her ult is AoE.


Her E does no damage. Her W does low, delayed damage in melee range...
https://twitter.com/SufficientStats
Chiharu Harukaze
Profile Joined September 2011
12112 Posts
August 01 2012 22:52 GMT
#146
Her E can set up an entire enemy team for even more AoE. It's an ability unheard of before in LoL. (DotA Dark Seer Vacuum I think?)

She sucks people in, you chain AoE stuns and just massacre them. Like, she sucks them in. You set up Leona/Sona/Sejuani/Cho'Gath/Annie/Swain. Or just Viktor Ult five people.

Why would you not want something like this in an AoE team?
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TheKefka
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
Croatia11752 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-08-01 22:57:35
August 01 2012 22:53 GMT
#147
I'm not the biggest fan of squishy ap junglers,she has no cc apart from that pull,which I guess may make or break her,and if you don't get a decent lead or get fed your just going to get cced and nuked in a teamfight.
All her skills are pretty much aoe and she has no escape so if anything she will be played mid maybe.Top is going to be suicide.
Shes going to be a fun snowball champ but nothing else,imo shes going to suck.

Oh I just remembered what that cho skin reminds me off
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[image loading]
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SoulSever
Profile Joined April 2010
Canada779 Posts
August 01 2012 22:53 GMT
#148
Or you could have shake get camped top lane to protect Nunu secret OP
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obesechicken13
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
United States10467 Posts
August 01 2012 22:56 GMT
#149
All you guys playing champs that aren't even released
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Sufficiency
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Canada23833 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-08-01 22:59:15
August 01 2012 22:57 GMT
#150
Oh yea....

[image loading]

RIP Kirisame Lux

EDIT: Oh hey I think that's ShackDrizzle's game on the left, lol.
https://twitter.com/SufficientStats
sob3k
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
United States7572 Posts
August 01 2012 22:58 GMT
#151
On August 02 2012 07:52 Chiharu Harukaze wrote:
Her E can set up an entire enemy team for even more AoE. It's an ability unheard of before in LoL. (DotA Dark Seer Vacuum I think?)

She sucks people in, you chain AoE stuns and just massacre them. Like, she sucks them in. You set up Leona/Sona/Sejuani/Cho'Gath/Annie/Swain. Or just Viktor Ult five people.

Why would you not want something like this in an AoE team?


Orianna says wut
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Sufficiency
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Canada23833 Posts
August 01 2012 22:59 GMT
#152
On August 02 2012 07:58 sob3k wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 02 2012 07:52 Chiharu Harukaze wrote:
Her E can set up an entire enemy team for even more AoE. It's an ability unheard of before in LoL. (DotA Dark Seer Vacuum I think?)

She sucks people in, you chain AoE stuns and just massacre them. Like, she sucks them in. You set up Leona/Sona/Sejuani/Cho'Gath/Annie/Swain. Or just Viktor Ult five people.

Why would you not want something like this in an AoE team?


Orianna says wut


Orianna's ult does not suck people in.
https://twitter.com/SufficientStats
JackDino
Profile Joined July 2010
Gabon6219 Posts
August 01 2012 23:02 GMT
#153
On August 02 2012 07:59 Sufficiency wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 02 2012 07:58 sob3k wrote:
On August 02 2012 07:52 Chiharu Harukaze wrote:
Her E can set up an entire enemy team for even more AoE. It's an ability unheard of before in LoL. (DotA Dark Seer Vacuum I think?)

She sucks people in, you chain AoE stuns and just massacre them. Like, she sucks them in. You set up Leona/Sona/Sejuani/Cho'Gath/Annie/Swain. Or just Viktor Ult five people.

Why would you not want something like this in an AoE team?


Orianna says wut


Orianna's ult does not suck people in.

It somewhat does since it flings people towards and possibly over the ball.
This isnt Broodwar so I dont owe anyone respect for beating me. -arb
UniversalSnip
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
9871 Posts
August 01 2012 23:16 GMT
#154
Is it just me or are a lot of LP posters from the czech republic?

On August 02 2012 07:37 TheYango wrote:
Short-range PBAoE doesn't count as AoE?

isn't that redundant?
"How fucking dare you defile the sanctity of DotA with your fucking casual plebian terminology? May the curse of Gaben and Volvo be upon you. le filthy casual."
koreasilver
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
9109 Posts
August 01 2012 23:21 GMT
#155
On August 02 2012 07:56 obesechicken13 wrote:
All you guys playing champs that aren't even released

pbe dude
Dark_Chill
Profile Joined May 2011
Canada3353 Posts
August 01 2012 23:23 GMT
#156
On August 02 2012 07:53 TheKefka wrote:
I'm not the biggest fan of squishy ap junglers,she has no cc apart from that pull,which I guess may make or break her,and if you don't get a decent lead or get fed your just going to get cced and nuked in a teamfight.
All her skills are pretty much aoe and she has no escape so if anything she will be played mid maybe.Top is going to be suicide.
Shes going to be a fun snowball champ but nothing else,imo shes going to suck.

Oh I just remembered what that cho skin reminds me off
+ Show Spoiler +
[image loading]


Pretty sure that's from digimon, but which one is it again?
CUTE MAKES RIGHT
Mystogun
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United States392 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-08-01 23:35:04
August 01 2012 23:32 GMT
#157
On August 02 2012 08:23 Dark_Chill wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 02 2012 07:53 TheKefka wrote:
I'm not the biggest fan of squishy ap junglers,she has no cc apart from that pull,which I guess may make or break her,and if you don't get a decent lead or get fed your just going to get cced and nuked in a teamfight.
All her skills are pretty much aoe and she has no escape so if anything she will be played mid maybe.Top is going to be suicide.
Shes going to be a fun snowball champ but nothing else,imo shes going to suck.

Oh I just remembered what that cho skin reminds me off
+ Show Spoiler +
[image loading]


Pretty sure that's from digimon, but which one is it again?


Looks like Metal Greymon

Off-topic: How are people building Shaco, if anyone still plays him? I very rarely see him banned, and I'd like to take advantage of that.
"What I'm sayin' is that there are known knowns and there are known unknowns, but there's also unknown unknowns, things that we don't know we don't know." | SC2: NoiSe.730 | LoL: Galladiator
Callynn
Profile Joined December 2010
Netherlands917 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-08-01 23:33:38
August 01 2012 23:33 GMT
#158
This patch just fixed some errors of the previous patches and made amumu too strong (I never buy AP on him anyway and the mana costs were the only thing keeping him back). Cho seems OP now that his abilities are actually doing what they are supposed to do, my team got CC raped by him several times 1.5 stun and 3.5 silence.
Comparing BW with SCII is like comparing a beautiful three-master sailing ship with a modern battlecruiser. Both are beautiful in their own way, both perform the same task, but they are worlds apart in how they are built and how they are steered.
HazMat
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States17077 Posts
August 01 2012 23:34 GMT
#159
On August 02 2012 08:16 UniversalSnip wrote:
Is it just me or are a lot of LP posters from the czech republic?

Show nested quote +
On August 02 2012 07:37 TheYango wrote:
Short-range PBAoE doesn't count as AoE?

isn't that redundant?

I am :D
We're not winning anything in the Olympics so we have a lot of free time it seems.
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jcarlsoniv
Profile Blog Joined January 2010
United States27922 Posts
August 01 2012 23:35 GMT
#160
Holy hell Diana is so fun - I love Dark Seer

Too bad PBE is plagued with people who are just flat out bad lol. I had most cs in game from jungle.
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