On August 02 2012 03:09 Seuss wrote:
I feel like there's something off about the assertion that her teamfighting is bad. Starting fights with everyone on the enemy team slowed and missing a third of their health doesn't strike me as bad for teamfighting. That alone doesn't make her a great teamfighter, but surely it makes her better than mediocre.

I'm not sure how you're getting "missing a third of their health" from a spell that does 25% max HP damage pre-MR at max rank, unless you're somehow getting 350 AP off of jungle farm.

Realistically you're probably looking at damage more in the range of 10%-12% max HP throughout the entire game. And a slow is a significantly weaker form of initiation than any harder CC available because a slow cannot stop the vast majority of counter-initiating options in the game.

On August 02 2012 03:09 Seuss wrote:
In general I feel like damage itself is undervalued in teamfights, and Eve isn't lacking in that regard.

Damage isn't undervalued on the roles that have the means to reliably put it out consistently (people have no problems eschewing utility in favor of damage on ranged AP/AD because they're ranged). A melee with no consistent CC or jump-like gap closer generally has problems doing that.

I'll admit that a third was a bit of hyperbole, but even if it's only doing 10-12% max HP on average that's still half a champion's worth of health gone at the start of a fight, coupled with the single most potent shield in the game and a 70% slow. She may not have gap closers, and that generally is a problem for melee, but she is 1) invisible and 2) in possession of a slow-break/speed boost that can reset.

Again, my point isn't that Eve is a secretly OP teamfighter, just that to call her mediocre seems really odd given her kit.

wut.

math fail? or explanation fail? or do you mean that's 50% total? but that's not exactly how it works...

You hit 4-5 people at 10-12% hp = 50% of average of one champ's health.

Taking 10% off everyone is significantly less useful than taking 50% off one person, otherwise AoE skills wouldn't all be balanced around doing comparable damage to equivalent single-target spells.

I agree, I was just clarifying Monte's point. It's still a significant amount of damage.

gtrsrs

United States9109 Posts

August 01 2012 20:01 GMT

#83

j4u soniv

-Zoda-

France3578 Posts

August 01 2012 20:04 GMT

#84

Eh, that Morde's splash art is the chinese one. I looked at it like "Wth, nothing changed".

seanisgrand

United States1039 Posts

August 01 2012 20:08 GMT

#85

yo nunu is strong. havent lost a game with him when im able to get top

gtrsrs

United States9109 Posts

August 01 2012 20:09 GMT

#86

his wrist is like at least 8x bigger than his head it looks sosososo bad
not to mention that the icon on the minimap looks even worse T_T

and i want to know what they were thinking with that ryze skin
NOT REALLY SURE I WANT TO DRAW BOTH ARMS OR BOTH LEGS. LET'S JUST HAVE HIM BALANCING LIKE A FLAILING RETARD AND CALL IT GOOD, NO NEED TO DRAW THAT SECOND LEG NP

WaveofShadow

Canada31495 Posts

August 01 2012 20:12 GMT

#87

On August 02 2012 04:41 TheKefka wrote:
I don't understand why they are so dead set on making eve good.
Just fess up the horrible design,delete her from the game and give people their money back.No one will miss her.

I would.

Requizen

United States33802 Posts

August 01 2012 20:13 GMT

#88

On August 02 2012 05:12 WaveofShadow wrote:

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I would.

You just want her around so you have an excuse to do that voice.

And just for that, I'd like to see her gone.

NeoIllusions

United States37500 Posts

August 01 2012 20:14 GMT

#89

Ryze is ok. I still like the old art better.

Morde is suffering from huge upper body syndrome. Just like the old TF and Trynd portraits, lol.

barbsq

United States5348 Posts

August 01 2012 20:15 GMT

#90

ryze splash is ok, but the icon looks like shit imo. I'd rather they sacrifice on the splash art if it made a good icon rather than the other way around.

Node

United States2159 Posts

August 01 2012 20:18 GMT

#91

I actually really like the Ryze art. It's a pretty nifty use of perspective that isn't in many (if any) other splash arts. And I thought it was pretty obvious he's making a "stepping forward" motion.

On August 02 2012 05:13 Requizen wrote:

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You just want her around so you have an excuse to do that voice.

And just for that, I'd like to see her gone.

Tranny (apologies to any trans-gendered individuals who take offense at that term) eve 4eva.

gtrsrs

United States9109 Posts

August 01 2012 20:21 GMT

#92

On August 02 2012 05:18 Node wrote:
I actually really like the Ryze art. It's a pretty nifty use of perspective that isn't in many (if any) other splash arts. And I thought it was pretty obvious he's making a "stepping forward" motion.

it is definitely a different perspective, but the way it's drawn makes him look like he's being pulled backwards by an invisible force. and he's extended his right leg all the way behind him to take a step forward. just looks really really unnatural to me. i think they could have done it better. oh well, with more practice they will learn more perspectives

mordek

United States12705 Posts

August 01 2012 20:24 GMT

#93

On August 02 2012 05:14 NeoIllusions wrote:
Ryze is ok. I still like the old art better.

Morde is suffering from huge upper body syndrome. Just like the old TF and Trynd portraits, lol.

Need moar squatz imo.

Chiharu Harukaze

12112 Posts

August 01 2012 20:35 GMT

#94

BATTLECAST CHO'GATH APPROACHING SINGULARITY

(P.S. Check top right corner of blueprints for more Battlecast spoilers~)

Requizen

United States33802 Posts

August 01 2012 20:37 GMT

#95

On August 02 2012 05:35 Chiharu Harukaze wrote:
BATTLECAST CHO'GATH APPROACHING SINGULARITY

This kind of makes me wish I played Cho.

NeoIllusions

United States37500 Posts

August 01 2012 20:39 GMT

#96

Anivia, Skarner, Kog w/ BattleCast coming soon (tm)

Requizen

United States33802 Posts

August 01 2012 20:39 GMT

#97

On August 02 2012 05:39 NeoIllusions wrote:
Anivia, Skarner, Kog w/ BattleCast coming soon (tm)

I'm pretty sure Skarner's actually more or less confirmed?

Edit: oh, saw the Reddit post. Seems legit, I guess. Too bad no support for Battlecast team.

Parnage

United States7414 Posts

August 01 2012 20:57 GMT

#98

Huh, you say that Morde splash is the Chinese art? Honestly looks like something done by Rob Liefeld, maybe's he's moonlighting? I dunno..

At least the old/new Badger teemo splash is adorable's. Nothing can ruin that.