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Requizen
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States33802 Posts
August 01 2012 16:22 GMT
#41
Anyone get the feeling that Malph may still be a bit too strong? I have yet to see a game where he doesn't completely roll top or jungle, or at least go even. Have yet to see one fail for some reason :S
It's your boy Guzma!
wei2coolman
Profile Joined November 2010
United States60033 Posts
August 01 2012 16:23 GMT
#42
On August 02 2012 01:22 Requizen wrote:
Anyone get the feeling that Malph may still be a bit too strong? I have yet to see a game where he doesn't completely roll top or jungle, or at least go even. Have yet to see one fail for some reason :S

As long as nunu exists, malph ain't no thang but a chicken wing.
liftlift > tsm
Slusher
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States19143 Posts
August 01 2012 16:30 GMT
#43
the problem with Malphite, to me, is that reguardless of what items he has, his ult is the same knockup and his e is the same, attack speed reduction. He had a shit lane phase vs ap before the nerfs, but the hard reality all he needs really is a chainvest to teamfight.
Carrilord has arrived.
TheYango
Profile Joined September 2008
United States47024 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-08-01 16:37:11
August 01 2012 16:36 GMT
#44
On August 02 2012 01:04 Chiharu Harukaze wrote:
Eve is fine atm. As far as I have seen, people have not been trying to experiment with her enough and just try to shoe-horn her into existing archetypes and see it doesn't work and demand buffs.

The thing is, the type of gank-oriented or split-push based teamcomps that Eve is good in are the type of teamcomps that Riot hates to be good.

Realistically teamfight-based team compositions are really the only ones Riot stably and consistently has treated as "good gameplay". And as a melee with no jump-like gap closer and one long-CD soft CC, her teamfighting is decidedly mediocre.
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101toss
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
3232 Posts
August 01 2012 16:37 GMT
#45
NUUUUNUUUUU untouched lololol
Math doesn't kill champions and neither do wards
Chiharu Harukaze
Profile Joined September 2011
12112 Posts
August 01 2012 16:41 GMT
#46
On August 02 2012 01:36 TheYango wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 02 2012 01:04 Chiharu Harukaze wrote:
Eve is fine atm. As far as I have seen, people have not been trying to experiment with her enough and just try to shoe-horn her into existing archetypes and see it doesn't work and demand buffs.

The thing is, the type of gank-oriented or split-push based teamcomps that Eve is good in are the type of teamcomps that Riot hates to be good.

Realistically teamfight-based team compositions are really the only ones Riot stably and consistently has treated as "good gameplay". And as a melee with no jump-like gap closer and one long-CD soft CC, her teamfighting is decidedly mediocre.

Yup. I think one of the problems is that currently LoL doesn't properly support counterplay against gank squads or splitpush outside of your team compositions which makes counterplay difficult. It'll be interesting to see the new changes for Season 3.
It's like, "Is the Federation's Mobile Suit some kind of monster?"
obesechicken13
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
United States10467 Posts
August 01 2012 16:52 GMT
#47
On August 02 2012 00:30 Dgiese wrote:
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On August 02 2012 00:08 koreasilver wrote:
To continue from the last thread, of course the ms quints cease to be necessary after lvl6 but that doesn't change the fact that before that it helps a lot for ganks. Taking dring is even worse specifically for this reason. You might as well tell your top lane to go fuck himself at that point.

I routinely tell all my lanes to do this in solo q. My view of leadership is that I can unite the team against a common foe (myself) propelling solo q teamwork to unprecedented heights.

Most of my teammates already follow this mentality.
I think in our modern age technology has evolved to become more addictive. The things that don't give us pleasure aren't used as much. Work was never meant to be fun, but doing it makes us happier in the long run.
De4ngus
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
United States6533 Posts
August 01 2012 17:18 GMT
#48
nunnu and zyra are op? k nerf amumu.
GANDHISAUCE
Zess
Profile Joined July 2012
Adun Toridas!9144 Posts
August 01 2012 17:27 GMT
#49
MooMooMugi, that AP Janna started Dorans because he wanted to nullify any Kassadin harass, but whiffed a tornado and juked the wrong way (right into Lee Q) when the gank happened
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mordek
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States12705 Posts
August 01 2012 17:29 GMT
#50
How often do they have rune sales like they did for Christmas and Halloween? Are those pretty much the only times?
It is vanity to love what passes quickly and not to look ahead where eternal joy abides. Tiberius77 | Mordek #1881 "I took a mint!"
Slusher
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States19143 Posts
August 01 2012 17:53 GMT
#51
don't own any but I'm fairly certain they weren't full rank 3 runes anyway, so nothing to write home about.
Carrilord has arrived.
101toss
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
3232 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-08-01 17:54:40
August 01 2012 17:53 GMT
#52
On August 02 2012 02:29 mordek wrote:
How often do they have rune sales like they did for Christmas and Halloween? Are those pretty much the only times?

Pretty much. You're gonna have to wait a few months :/

^Edit: there were full rank 3 runes I believe (and 2.5 as well) at a discounted rate
Math doesn't kill champions and neither do wards
Hakanfrog
Profile Joined October 2011
Sweden690 Posts
August 01 2012 17:57 GMT
#53
Nope can´t have supports being actually useful at something except sitting at botlane getting 0 farm, better nerf Janna.

Atleast the Lulu and Soraka nerfs made sense, this Janna nerf is just dumb. She farms well but that´s pretty much everything she does, she does lower damage than any other AP and the only thing that makes it worth it giving her farm is her shield.
Cloud9157
Profile Joined December 2010
United States2968 Posts
August 01 2012 18:01 GMT
#54
Are they sure they nerfed Rumble? Fucker still seems to do plenty of damage.
"Are you absolutely sure that armor only affects the health portion of a protoss army??? That doesn't sound right to me. source?" -Some idiot
-Zoda-
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
France3578 Posts
August 01 2012 18:03 GMT
#55
Rumble so fucking OP char. I can't believe I took so long before buying him. Just farm a few items, ult ennemy team and go in with Q + Passive.
♪ 最初はi つなぐdo それ つまりlife 常に移動 ♪ - IGN: Uhryks
mordek
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States12705 Posts
August 01 2012 18:07 GMT
#56
On August 02 2012 02:53 101toss wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 02 2012 02:29 mordek wrote:
How often do they have rune sales like they did for Christmas and Halloween? Are those pretty much the only times?

Pretty much. You're gonna have to wait a few months :/

^Edit: there were full rank 3 runes I believe (and 2.5 as well) at a discounted rate

Pretty sure Christmas had MS quints that were the same bonus but cheaper. I wasn't level 20 then though T.T
Been waiting since...
It is vanity to love what passes quickly and not to look ahead where eternal joy abides. Tiberius77 | Mordek #1881 "I took a mint!"
Seuss
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States10536 Posts
August 01 2012 18:09 GMT
#57
On August 02 2012 01:36 TheYango wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 02 2012 01:04 Chiharu Harukaze wrote:
Eve is fine atm. As far as I have seen, people have not been trying to experiment with her enough and just try to shoe-horn her into existing archetypes and see it doesn't work and demand buffs.

The thing is, the type of gank-oriented or split-push based teamcomps that Eve is good in are the type of teamcomps that Riot hates to be good.

Realistically teamfight-based team compositions are really the only ones Riot stably and consistently has treated as "good gameplay". And as a melee with no jump-like gap closer and one long-CD soft CC, her teamfighting is decidedly mediocre.


I feel like there's something off about the assertion that her teamfighting is bad. Starting fights with everyone on the enemy team slowed and missing a third of their health doesn't strike me as bad for teamfighting. That alone doesn't make her a great teamfighter, but surely it makes her better than mediocre.

In general I feel like damage itself is undervalued in teamfights, and Eve isn't lacking in that regard.
"I am not able to carry all this people alone, for they are too heavy for me." -Moses (Numbers 11:14)
CeriseCherries
Profile Blog Joined May 2011
6170 Posts
August 01 2012 18:17 GMT
#58
On August 02 2012 00:18 Sickworld wrote:
Interestingly enough it seems like the more significant buff to cho is the scaling mr. the rest i dont think its going to make a difference besides the bug fix on rupture

but now hen you get big you feel big
Remember, no matter where you go, there you are.
TheYango
Profile Joined September 2008
United States47024 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-08-01 18:33:18
August 01 2012 18:27 GMT
#59
On August 02 2012 03:09 Seuss wrote:
I feel like there's something off about the assertion that her teamfighting is bad. Starting fights with everyone on the enemy team slowed and missing a third of their health doesn't strike me as bad for teamfighting. That alone doesn't make her a great teamfighter, but surely it makes her better than mediocre.

I'm not sure how you're getting "missing a third of their health" from a spell that does 25% max HP damage pre-MR at max rank, unless you're somehow getting 350 AP off of jungle farm.

Realistically you're probably looking at damage more in the range of 10%-12% max HP throughout the entire game. And a slow is a significantly weaker form of initiation than any harder CC available because a slow cannot stop the vast majority of counter-initiating options in the game.

On August 02 2012 03:09 Seuss wrote:
In general I feel like damage itself is undervalued in teamfights, and Eve isn't lacking in that regard.

Damage isn't undervalued on the roles that have the means to reliably put it out consistently (people have no problems eschewing utility in favor of damage on ranged AP/AD because they're ranged). A melee with no consistent CC or jump-like gap closer generally has problems doing that.
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spinesheath
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
Germany8679 Posts
August 01 2012 18:47 GMT
#60
In fact teamfighting is where current Eve is the strongest, her skills are crap for 1v1 now. But even then she's not exactly great.
If you have a good reason to disagree with the above, please tell me. Thank you.
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