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Yttrasil
Profile Joined April 2010
Sweden651 Posts
August 14 2012 12:49 GMT
#3461
So, anyone else feel as a top laner that the switch from clairvoyance to other spells has made the lane alot more unstable and volatile as now you only know where the jungler is when he's spotted on the map?
Meh
clickrush
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Switzerland3257 Posts
August 14 2012 13:08 GMT
#3462
On August 14 2012 21:49 Yttrasil wrote:
So, anyone else feel as a top laner that the switch from clairvoyance to other spells has made the lane alot more unstable and volatile as now you only know where the jungler is when he's spotted on the map?


the problem i have is that you get punished for playing defensively considering possible gank timings while your opponent can luck his way through the lane when not considering them.
oGsMC: Zealot defense, Stalker attack, Sentry forcefieldu forcefieldu, Marauder die die
YouGotNothin
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States907 Posts
August 14 2012 13:22 GMT
#3463
On August 14 2012 21:26 Ryuu314 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 14 2012 21:15 Lmui wrote:
Also, going back to the topic of bans, I found this

http://www.lolking.net/charts?region=na&league=ranked&type=bans&range=monthly

Ali doesn't surprise me but how much shen is banned does. Shaco is apparently only truly hated in NA, ahri is OP in europe and NA has a hatred for TF that I don't see in any other region.

edit:: Well maybe china/korea hate TF more than NA.

I'm more surprised by the fact that they actually ban Jax in EU with some frequency O_o


If you guys haven't checked out all the graphs they do on lolking now I would definitely suggest it, it is a really powerful/interesting tool. Matchup winrates, top picks/bans, highest winrate champs. While some of this data may be tough to interpret, you can even click on a champion then see the top players with this champion then see what masteries/runes they build on them (assuming they label their pages). There is also fun stuff to check out like item frequency in game and what champion uses which item the most. Moonflair spellblade? not too popular.

http://www.lolking.net/charts?region=all&league=ranked&type=champion-winrate&range=daily
I got nothin'...
Bladeorade
Profile Joined August 2010
United States1898 Posts
August 14 2012 13:32 GMT
#3464
Yeah so I advocated Sorc boots/Haunting Guise/Abyssal on Ahri a couple days ago and just did the build on Diana... It is really strong. I got zhonyas after those 3 starting with the chain vest so you are tanky + do great damage. Just a really powerful build for early team fights allowing you to get advantages.

We heard you like true damage so we put some MPen with yo Mreduction so you can true damage while you damage.
sylverfyre
Profile Joined May 2010
United States8298 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-08-14 13:41:13
August 14 2012 13:39 GMT
#3465
If you aren't desperate for boots2, haunting guise is cheaper stats than the upgrade to sorc boots and you can pick it up first (particularly useful on manaless champs where you aren't getting Doran's Rings - it's nice to have the extra chunk of health.) Also, is the meme attempt necessary :/
Sponkz
Profile Joined May 2011
Denmark4564 Posts
August 14 2012 13:46 GMT
#3466
On August 14 2012 21:26 Ryuu314 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 14 2012 21:15 Lmui wrote:
Also, going back to the topic of bans, I found this

http://www.lolking.net/charts?region=na&league=ranked&type=bans&range=monthly

Ali doesn't surprise me but how much shen is banned does. Shaco is apparently only truly hated in NA, ahri is OP in europe and NA has a hatred for TF that I don't see in any other region.

edit:: Well maybe china/korea hate TF more than NA.

I'm more surprised by the fact that they actually ban Jax in EU with some frequency O_o



He's a very good filler ban, and some people see him as a threat, because he's hard to shut down and i agree. Not many champions can completely deny him his farm.
hi
wei2coolman
Profile Joined November 2010
United States60033 Posts
August 14 2012 13:48 GMT
#3467
http://www.lolking.net/charts?region=na&league=platinum&type=item-popularity&range=weekly

HoG #1 most popular item, how does this make people feel?

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liftlift > tsm
Deleted User 101379
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
4849 Posts
August 14 2012 13:48 GMT
#3468
On August 14 2012 22:46 Sponkz wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 14 2012 21:26 Ryuu314 wrote:
On August 14 2012 21:15 Lmui wrote:
Also, going back to the topic of bans, I found this

http://www.lolking.net/charts?region=na&league=ranked&type=bans&range=monthly

Ali doesn't surprise me but how much shen is banned does. Shaco is apparently only truly hated in NA, ahri is OP in europe and NA has a hatred for TF that I don't see in any other region.

edit:: Well maybe china/korea hate TF more than NA.

I'm more surprised by the fact that they actually ban Jax in EU with some frequency O_o



He's a very good filler ban, and some people see him as a threat, because he's hard to shut down and i agree. Not many champions can completely deny him his farm.


Nah, they all just watched CLG.NA vs Azubo Frost and think he's bugged and actually immortal.
Sponkz
Profile Joined May 2011
Denmark4564 Posts
August 14 2012 13:52 GMT
#3469
On August 14 2012 22:48 wei2coolman wrote:
http://www.lolking.net/charts?region=na&league=platinum&type=item-popularity&range=weekly

HoG #1 most popular item, how does this make people feel?



HoG > Philo for supports anyways. Not a surprise, especially when regibro supports the triple gp10 build on AP carries.
hi
spinesheath
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
Germany8679 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-08-14 13:55:48
August 14 2012 13:52 GMT
#3470
On August 14 2012 21:49 Yttrasil wrote:
So, anyone else feel as a top laner that the switch from clairvoyance to other spells has made the lane alot more unstable and volatile as now you only know where the jungler is when he's spotted on the map?

Buy more wards and plaster the enemy jungle with them.
All lanes and even your own jungle got "more unstable". The only option is to ward more, as taking CV on 2-3 people at once is entirely out of the question and 1 CV is just useless for jungle tracking.

On August 14 2012 22:48 wei2coolman wrote:
http://www.lolking.net/charts?region=na&league=platinum&type=item-popularity&range=weekly

HoG #1 most popular item, how does this make people feel?

Apparently people don't buy boots.
If you have a good reason to disagree with the above, please tell me. Thank you.
jcarlsoniv
Profile Blog Joined January 2010
United States27922 Posts
August 14 2012 13:55 GMT
#3471
On August 14 2012 22:22 YouGotNothin wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 14 2012 21:26 Ryuu314 wrote:
On August 14 2012 21:15 Lmui wrote:
Also, going back to the topic of bans, I found this

http://www.lolking.net/charts?region=na&league=ranked&type=bans&range=monthly

Ali doesn't surprise me but how much shen is banned does. Shaco is apparently only truly hated in NA, ahri is OP in europe and NA has a hatred for TF that I don't see in any other region.

edit:: Well maybe china/korea hate TF more than NA.

I'm more surprised by the fact that they actually ban Jax in EU with some frequency O_o


If you guys haven't checked out all the graphs they do on lolking now I would definitely suggest it, it is a really powerful/interesting tool. Matchup winrates, top picks/bans, highest winrate champs. While some of this data may be tough to interpret, you can even click on a champion then see the top players with this champion then see what masteries/runes they build on them (assuming they label their pages). There is also fun stuff to check out like item frequency in game and what champion uses which item the most. Moonflair spellblade? not too popular.

http://www.lolking.net/charts?region=all&league=ranked&type=champion-winrate&range=daily


There are some definite fallacies in some of the lolking graphs, but I do enjoy browsing through them.

The matchup graph is flawed because it only takes into account the actual turn out of the game. It has no way to accurately evaluate how the lane phase turns out for either side of the matchup.

Also, the top players with champions is completely bogus. It only takes into account win %, with some value on Elo (I believe). Because of this, people with only a few games played but high win % and high elo will be on that list. (Aranium, iG zz1tai, and myself are not on the top players for Viktor, so yeah)
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TheYango
Profile Joined September 2008
United States47024 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-08-14 13:58:25
August 14 2012 13:57 GMT
#3472
On August 14 2012 22:48 wei2coolman wrote:
http://www.lolking.net/charts?region=na&league=platinum&type=item-popularity&range=weekly

HoG #1 most popular item, how does this make people feel?

Like people don't use their brains when they play this game (not too surprising, tbh).

On August 14 2012 22:52 Sponkz wrote:
HoG > Philo for supports anyways. Not a surprise, especially when regibro supports the triple gp10 build on AP carries.

Explain to me how HoG > Philo for supports. Philo gives cost-effective regen stats and builds into an item that's more frequently practically useful. HoG gives cost-inefficient HP and builds into options that are practically awkward for a support.

If I'm in a scenario where I want regen for a long laning phase, I'd finish Philo. If I'm in a scenario where I need survivability/fighting stats, I'd get Ruby+Cloth or Ruby+Null rather than HoG.
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sylverfyre
Profile Joined May 2010
United States8298 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-08-14 14:02:52
August 14 2012 14:00 GMT
#3473
Yeah, if you really need to survive a pile of bursty bullshit, Ruby+cloth or null is a much bigger bang out of 800G than a HoG is. "but it gives me GP10" really isn't a good excuse IMO. It's amazing how much earlier you can get an aegis when you don't dick around with building GP10s for the entire first 20 minutes. I only get philo typically now. Maybe I'll get a second if I get a lot more money than I expect early but probably not... rather just have the Aegis faster. Yes, I can still afford plenty of wards with only 1 gold item. Maybe if my jungler is building an early Aegis AND I'm not a frontline support (if I'm frontline in addition to my jungler, like taric/leona/ali or whatever, I'm liking this trend towards 2x aegis on team. It's stacking the aura on the 2 people who care most about it.)
YouGotNothin
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States907 Posts
August 14 2012 14:01 GMT
#3474
On August 14 2012 22:55 jcarlsoniv wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 14 2012 22:22 YouGotNothin wrote:

If you guys haven't checked out all the graphs they do on lolking now I would definitely suggest it, it is a really powerful/interesting tool. Matchup winrates, top picks/bans, highest winrate champs. While some of this data may be tough to interpret, you can even click on a champion then see the top players with this champion then see what masteries/runes they build on them (assuming they label their pages). There is also fun stuff to check out like item frequency in game and what champion uses which item the most. Moonflair spellblade? not too popular.

http://www.lolking.net/charts?region=all&league=ranked&type=champion-winrate&range=daily


There are some definite fallacies in some of the lolking graphs, but I do enjoy browsing through them.

The matchup graph is flawed because it only takes into account the actual turn out of the game. It has no way to accurately evaluate how the lane phase turns out for either side of the matchup.

Also, the top players with champions is completely bogus. It only takes into account win %, with some value on Elo (I believe). Because of this, people with only a few games played but high win % and high elo will be on that list. (Aranium, iG zz1tai, and myself are not on the top players for Viktor, so yeah)


Yes both these points are true, still fun though and I think something can be learned. I hope they change how they do the top players for each champion some mix of games played and win % or elo maybe.
I got nothin'...
jcarlsoniv
Profile Blog Joined January 2010
United States27922 Posts
August 14 2012 14:02 GMT
#3475
I've ended up going just Phil -> kindlegem instead of screwing around with more gp10s. Lets me go either early Shurererereria or earlier Aegis. Been working quite well for me.
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Nikon
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
Bulgaria5710 Posts
August 14 2012 14:03 GMT
#3476
I'm going through the use 21 defensive masteries on every champ phase. Will I ever recover?
sylverfyre
Profile Joined May 2010
United States8298 Posts
August 14 2012 14:05 GMT
#3477
Kindle's cool too. I tend to default the aegis, but if my jungler is building it and I'm not frontline, I guess Kindle is the way to go. If we really don't need the shurelia that early, can always build it into a zeke or something I guess?
wei2coolman
Profile Joined November 2010
United States60033 Posts
August 14 2012 14:05 GMT
#3478
On August 14 2012 23:03 Nikon wrote:
I'm going through the use 21 defensive masteries on every champ phase. Will I ever recover?

It depends. I only bother using 21 defensive masteries if I know I've pretty much got counter picked hard.
liftlift > tsm
Sponkz
Profile Joined May 2011
Denmark4564 Posts
August 14 2012 14:06 GMT
#3479
On August 14 2012 22:57 TheYango wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 14 2012 22:48 wei2coolman wrote:
http://www.lolking.net/charts?region=na&league=platinum&type=item-popularity&range=weekly

HoG #1 most popular item, how does this make people feel?

Like people don't use their brains when they play this game (not too surprising, tbh).

Show nested quote +
On August 14 2012 22:52 Sponkz wrote:
HoG > Philo for supports anyways. Not a surprise, especially when regibro supports the triple gp10 build on AP carries.

Explain to me how HoG > Philo for supports. Philo gives cost-effective regen stats and builds into an item that's more frequently practically useful. HoG gives cost-inefficient HP and builds into options that are practically awkward for a support.

If I'm in a scenario where I want regen for a long laning phase, I'd finish Philo. If I'm in a scenario where I need survivability/fighting stats, I'd get Ruby+Cloth or Ruby+Null rather than HoG.



Philo gives cost-efficient mana regen, but i just personally dislike reverie on supports, as i feel junglers should have 1. And HP > Regen when it comes to laning, because you're not trading like in a solo lane, it's more up-front trades that results in kills which happens in duo lanes (from my experience at least).
hi
Celial
Profile Blog Joined June 2006
2602 Posts
August 14 2012 14:06 GMT
#3480
Philo doesn't help you in a gank. HoG does. You just won't die in a single CC.
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