EPT[Patch 1.0.0.143: MidJuly-Zyra] General Discussion - Page 70
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wei2coolman
United States60033 Posts
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JokerSan
United States306 Posts
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sylverfyre
United States8298 Posts
On July 26 2012 02:20 wei2coolman wrote: I thought we've already gone over this topic like 40 pages ago? Randuins is better on those that dive on AD carries, mostly because ad carries are often required target/kite those who dive on them. While FH is better for those that are trying to create a tank line, and aren't primary targets for ad carry. Randuins gives you great sticking power especially when it comes to whether or not the enemy AD can attack you while kiting you (so irelia loves it, she doesn't want to be kited after Qing onto someone and wailing on them with W), whereas FH enhances any caster-style features of your kit with its huge amount of CDR. (like WW wanting to spam Q as much as possible during a fight, or nautilus using all the CC that's already in his kit even MORE often.) | ||
TheYango
United States47024 Posts
On July 26 2012 03:08 JokerSan wrote: Randuins is usually better for junglers and FH is for supports or certain matchups top lane. Since when can supports reliably finish FH? | ||
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wei2coolman
United States60033 Posts
Maybe he means support style junglers? like nunu/maokai? | ||
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StateAlchemist
France1946 Posts
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Zaphod Beeblebrox
Denmark697 Posts
Given the nerfs that Randuins had since its OP time, I think that people are generally undervaluing FH. Glacial is actually a great midgame item, and HoG just got nerfed so the buildup is somewhat smoother. The CDR is usefull on almost everyone (unless they are maxed) and the armor it gives more than outweighs the extra health on Randuins (given that you would get hp from eg. phage). Randiuns is still crazy strong tho, but if you can't use the active (for whatever reason) FH is simply a better item imo. | ||
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Slayer91
Ireland23335 Posts
On July 26 2012 02:01 Requizen wrote: I don't know about that. If you have a very good slow already, it somewhat diminishes the slow portion of Randuin's, wouldn't it? And FH has more armor (lacking the health, of course), along with it's AS debuff being constant rather than having a proc/on use. I could see both arguments, but these guys are probably right, Randuin's is generally better most of the time. What? Frozen heart is usually better, but if you're not using half the stats on it it's not going to be.. | ||
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JokerSan
United States306 Posts
Randuin's on the other hand is an amazing item that should be built on most junglers and some top laners. Still doesn't change the fact that FH is situationally better in some top lane matchups and that FH is much better on supports than the other roles. | ||
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greggy
United Kingdom1483 Posts
hilarious new bug: been smurfing, playing gp. built a philo stone when my pc bsods (it does that sometimes). relog, game crashes mid-loading. relog again, get in fine, except my philo stone is now a doran's blade. description is that of doran's, but in inventory it has the green outline philo has since new patch. and says it sells for 400. I get doran's stats as well. however, in end game screen and match history it shows a philo. is this new? screenshots: + Show Spoiler + ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/w0CqC.jpg) ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/bIQiL.jpg) also apparently LoL doesn't even save your screenshots. annoying that such basic functionality is missing. or that to log out I need to close the entire game. that one gets me every time. | ||
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Requizen
United States33802 Posts
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TheYango
United States47024 Posts
On July 26 2012 03:46 JokerSan wrote: Randuin's on the other hand is an amazing item that should be built on most junglers and some top laners. Still doesn't change the fact that FH is situationally better in some top lane matchups and that FH is much better on supports than the other roles. I don't understand how FH is better on support when it a) overspends on stats that aren't well-rounded and b) will probably over-cap CDR for a support that is already building Shurelya's. FH gives extremely lopsided stats, and needs to be complemented with other items to make it smooth to buy/use. This is not desireable for a support who do not have the gold to commit to other items. | ||
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Dandel Ion
Austria17960 Posts
On July 26 2012 04:07 Requizen wrote: The real question is, why are you still buying HoG after the nerf? On July 26 2012 04:02 greggy wrote: [...] been smurfing [...] Items matter when smurfing | ||
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JackDino
Gabon6219 Posts
On July 26 2012 04:30 Requizen wrote: Oh lol, missed that. It's probably just a glitch. I don't know enough about how the code is set up, but probably at some point during the buying/setup, a bit of data got flip-flopped and it registered a different item being bought. Things happen when data flow is interrupted like that. The game displays other items sometimes when you dc, just a visual bug. | ||
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Requizen
United States33802 Posts
It's probably just a glitch. I don't know enough about how the code is set up, but probably at some point during the buying/setup, a bit of data got flip-flopped and it registered a different item being bought. Things happen when data flow is interrupted like that. | ||
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greggy
United Kingdom1483 Posts
On July 26 2012 04:28 Dandel Ion wrote: Items matter when smurfing Jewplank build requires 3 gp10s, and I'm not building kage. | ||
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wei2coolman
United States60033 Posts
On July 26 2012 04:30 greggy wrote: Jewplank build requires 3 gp10s, and I'm not building kage. Then you're not jewplanking correctly. kage's ap, and rng on the ulti, can stack that ap dmg quite high  | ||
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Alzadar
Canada5009 Posts
IMO every team should aim to have a Frozen Heart completed by 30 minutes. Whether it's the top laner, the jungler, or in rare cases the mid laner, someone needs to buy that item. | ||
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arb
Noobville17922 Posts
On July 26 2012 04:30 greggy wrote: Jewplank build requires 3 gp10s, and I'm not building kage. You cant truly do the Jewplank build anymore. Since it was originally 2philos 3 avarice blades and CDR boots. | ||
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JackDino
Gabon6219 Posts
On July 26 2012 04:40 arb wrote: You cant truly do the Jewplank build anymore. Since it was originally 2philos 3 avarice blades and CDR boots. The original build was 6philo fuck boots. ParkJae#1 | ||
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