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Bwaaaa
Australia969 Posts
On July 09 2012 21:23 Shikyo wrote: So they do nothing about your 0 sustain and low harrass? That's really really strange... I guess people have no clue how to play vs him or something. Why are you complaining about his 0 sustain? He has the same range as teemo so he can farm safely and can go all in/e and run if he gets jumped on. | ||
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wei2coolman
United States60033 Posts
On July 09 2012 17:43 Morfildur wrote: Might be because too many people try him as AD carry (at which he is bad) or jungler (at which he is mediocre at best). Once people find the best role and items for him, his winrate will rise quickly. Jayce feels pretty safe as a top lane pick, I don't see him losing any top lane match ups, due to the nature of his ranged/melee switching abilities. With that being said, I also don't see him dunking on a whole bunch of top lanes either. I don't think he needs a buff *yet*, I don't want him to end up being like Riven (balanced when released, but no one knew how to play her, then they over buffed her). I think he's probably best played as a more DPS focused bruiser, I've seen too many people rush Fmallet on Jayce. I could see bilgewater cutlass rush w/ brutalizer as very good solo lane items early on for him. His full item build will probably end up looking like, boots/ghostblade/lw/maw/BT/GA | ||
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Shikyo
Finland33997 Posts
On July 09 2012 22:29 Bwaaaa wrote: Why are you complaining about his 0 sustain? He has the same range as teemo so he can farm safely and can go all in/e and run if he gets jumped on. Well mostly because Nidalee has amazing sustain I guess .-. she's stronger early and late | ||
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jcarlsoniv
United States27922 Posts
It's convenient, sure. And I appreciate it sometimes because I'm a lazy midlaner who never keeps timers. But because of that, I've developed a pretty good "6th sense" for when the buffs are coming back up. The time stamps completely remove any dependence on keeping timers or having a sense for the respawn time (except on red.blue I suppose). It's one less thing to separate good junglers from better junglers (or teams in general). It might not seem that significant to some, but I really do think they should remove the chat announcement. | ||
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anmolsinghmzn2009
India1783 Posts
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Slusher
United States19143 Posts
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thenexusp
United States3721 Posts
On July 09 2012 23:45 jcarlsoniv wrote: So, I'm really unhappy that Dragon/Baron kills get time stamped in chat now. I like that it tells you who killed it, but I don't think it should announce it in chat. It's convenient, sure. And I appreciate it sometimes because I'm a lazy midlaner who never keeps timers. But because of that, I've developed a pretty good "6th sense" for when the buffs are coming back up. The time stamps completely remove any dependence on keeping timers or having a sense for the respawn time (except on red.blue I suppose). It's one less thing to separate good junglers from better junglers (or teams in general). It might not seem that significant to some, but I really do think they should remove the chat announcement. You can [all] chat spam a bit to push the message up so it's more annoying to look for it :D | ||
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Offhand
United States1869 Posts
On July 09 2012 23:49 Slusher wrote: Jayce bot basically gives you leona Jarvan without the lack of range for farming creeps/coming out of the lane phase. Jayce bot actually not that bad. Granted I think Teemo bot is also viable with the right support but Jayce doesn't really have any issues farming and brings way more utility to the table than your average AD bot. In order of preference, he can be run top, bot, or jungle. His jungle seems really bad early, and he needs the farm from lane to be relevant lategame. | ||
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Alaric
France45622 Posts
On July 09 2012 23:45 jcarlsoniv wrote: So, I'm really unhappy that Dragon/Baron kills get time stamped in chat now. I like that it tells you who killed it, but I don't think it should announce it in chat. It's convenient, sure. And I appreciate it sometimes because I'm a lazy midlaner who never keeps timers. But because of that, I've developed a pretty good "6th sense" for when the buffs are coming back up. The time stamps completely remove any dependence on keeping timers or having a sense for the respawn time (except on red.blue I suppose). It's one less thing to separate good junglers from better junglers (or teams in general). It might not seem that significant to some, but I really do think they should remove the chat announcement. I write down the time where it'll respawn anyway so I doesn't change much for me when the opposing team does it. How do you time stuff btw? When it got killed/dropped (for a ward), or when it'll respawn/disappear? I prefer the second personally, as I find it easier to get a quick look whenever by pressing the chat history key. | ||
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Slayer91
Ireland23386 Posts
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barbsq
United States5348 Posts
On July 10 2012 00:02 Alaric wrote: I write down the time where it'll respawn anyway so I doesn't change much for me when the opposing team does it. How do you time stuff btw? When it got killed/dropped (for a ward), or when it'll respawn/disappear? I prefer the second personally, as I find it easier to get a quick look whenever by pressing the chat history key. typically, you type out the time it will respawn in chat. edit: in any case, I find it doesn't matter anyways, since the only time any1 actually remembers the respawn is when somebody types out a 1 min warning, so there's still about the same burden of attention involved for the person keeping track. | ||
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jcarlsoniv
United States27922 Posts
On July 10 2012 00:02 Alaric wrote: I write down the time where it'll respawn anyway so I doesn't change much for me when the opposing team does it. How do you time stuff btw? When it got killed/dropped (for a ward), or when it'll respawn/disappear? I prefer the second personally, as I find it easier to get a quick look whenever by pressing the chat history key. I personally don't do anything to time it. I base a lot of my insight on when blues spawn/get taken since I'm so dependent on it. Or I just have a general sense of when 6/7 min are about to pass. I just think it was a dumb addition. | ||
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Slusher
United States19143 Posts
On July 09 2012 23:59 Offhand wrote: Jayce bot actually not that bad. Granted I think Teemo bot is also viable with the right support but Jayce doesn't really have any issues farming and brings way more utility to the table than your average AD bot. In order of preference, he can be run top, bot, or jungle. His jungle seems really bad early, and he needs the farm from lane to be relevant lategame. run Leona Jayce with someone who can hit Zentih blades and your order will change, Leona combo with into the skies followup is hilarious. @Soniv, still it beats the alternative of the occasional who got it situations. | ||
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Shikyo
Finland33997 Posts
On July 10 2012 00:06 jcarlsoniv wrote: I personally don't do anything to time it. I base a lot of my insight on when blues spawn/get taken since I'm so dependent on it. Or I just have a general sense of when 6/7 min are about to pass. I just think it was a dumb addition. Didn't some dude write a script that detects golem / lizard / dragon / nashor slain and types it out in the chat or something | ||
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jcarlsoniv
United States27922 Posts
@shikyo, idk, did someone? And would that be considered cheating? (would be in my book) | ||
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Shikyo
Finland33997 Posts
I think I've seen a few games where they type a seemingly scripted "Dragon will respawn at xx" whenever it died, so probably there's those around. I'd kind of consider it cheating but on the other hand... It's not like you're modifying game files or anything. | ||
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mr_tolkien
France8631 Posts
But how would you start with a 550 bank ? What if assists worked like in DotA (you only need to be near the dead body) ? Would be a nice Karthus nerf Would you buy lvl2 boots which are ONLY lvl2 boots for 250g from lvl1 boots ? Moar MS = moar action | ||
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MooMooMugi
United States10531 Posts
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Seuss
United States10536 Posts
On July 09 2012 23:45 jcarlsoniv wrote: So, I'm really unhappy that Dragon/Baron kills get time stamped in chat now. I like that it tells you who killed it, but I don't think it should announce it in chat. It's convenient, sure. And I appreciate it sometimes because I'm a lazy midlaner who never keeps timers. But because of that, I've developed a pretty good "6th sense" for when the buffs are coming back up. The time stamps completely remove any dependence on keeping timers or having a sense for the respawn time (except on red.blue I suppose). It's one less thing to separate good junglers from better junglers (or teams in general). It might not seem that significant to some, but I really do think they should remove the chat announcement. I still plan on timing Dragon/Nashor. Having someone post the respawn time is still useful as it reinforces that future point in the minds of your team. I've actually found that I rarely scroll back for timers because simply by posting them I lock them in memory. Also, with all the other crap that ends up in chat scrolling back trying to find the dragon timer can be hellish. It's much easier to pick out someone saying "1737d" than trying to find the "[17:37] SOANDSO has killed the dragon!" amidst all the kills, downed turrets etc. While this still makes timers easier, I'm somewhat ambivalent. Timing buffs was never anything more than some simple math and habit. The real skill was always in caring about timers in the first place, thinking 1-2 minutes ahead of them, and getting your team together with precision and punctuality. However, I will probably put more effort into timing blue/red camps. I should have been doing that before anyway. On July 09 2012 23:47 anmolsinghmzn2009 wrote: One thing I don't understand is why people say jayce is bad in the jungle? Sure his first clear may not be the best, but he clears decently with QW - mana not much of an issue cuz W passive. And his ganks are awesome - speed boost, ranged attacks, gap closer that slows letting you E knock them towards your tower. A bad first clear is in and of itself enough to disqualify a champion from jungling, and Jayce's first clear is bad. He's essentially relegated to Cloth Armor + 5 Potions as any other opening will collapse without a leash. Direct counter-jungling could easily be fatal for him even in good conditions. The first clear is what sets the tempo for the rest of a jungler's game, and Jayce's clear is too risky to be seriously competitive. | ||
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barbsq
United States5348 Posts
On July 10 2012 00:21 mr_tolkien wrote: I have stupid ideas all day long I should stop theory crafting... But how would you start with a 550 bank ? What if assists worked like in DotA (you only need to be near the dead body) ? Would be a nice Karthus nerf Would you buy lvl2 boots which are ONLY lvl2 boots for 250g from lvl1 boots ? Moar MS = moar action 550 gold = dorans + 2x hp pots, remember when riot had a problem with dorans + 1x hp pot? Assists based on proximity would just make you feel really crap if you healed/buffed/damaged somebody within the assist timer and then, because you had to run elsewhere, lost the assist. If you're janna, and drop a shield on somebody and then run off to help somebody else, and you lost whatever assist because of range, then that would just feel awful, for no reason at all. Pretty much only supports (who end up with excess slots) can afford something with such garbage slot-efficiency as a boots 2 with no other stats. | ||
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