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[Patch 1.0.0.142: Jayce] General Discussion - Page 31

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TheYango
Profile Joined September 2008
United States47024 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-07-09 15:40:16
July 09 2012 15:36 GMT
#601
On July 10 2012 00:06 jcarlsoniv wrote:
I personally don't do anything to time it. I base a lot of my insight on when blues spawn/get taken since I'm so dependent on it. Or I just have a general sense of when 6/7 min are about to pass. I just think it was a dumb addition.

It's sort of the same thing when they added the indicator sound and visual for when you have tower aggro. Anyone with a reasonable amount of situational awareness is going to realize when they have tower aggro, but the feature was added for those players who don't pay enough attention to the little details. In fact, that change is arguably much more relevant than the Dragon/Baron timer.

Personally I don't like these kinds of "fixes", but I came to accept them from Riot's design paradigm a long time ago.

EDIT: Also, Boots 2 for 250 gold has a hard time competing with Tabi or Zerks.
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Slusher
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States19143 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-07-09 15:39:33
July 09 2012 15:38 GMT
#602
On July 10 2012 00:21 mr_tolkien wrote:
I have stupid ideas all day long I should stop theory crafting...

But how would you start with a 550 bank ?
What if assists worked like in DotA (you only need to be near the dead body) ? Would be a nice Karthus nerf
Would you buy lvl2 boots which are ONLY lvl2 boots for 250g from lvl1 boots ? Moar MS = moar action



dorans pots, all lanes except vs blitz

Same thing everyone said when the announcement about Karthus ult cd change was made, it's good, but it's not the problem.

no, nobody buys boots3, I think that pretty much sums it up. they cost basically the same as lvl2 boots, and everyone takes the stats.
Carrilord has arrived.
Ryuu314
Profile Joined October 2009
United States12679 Posts
July 09 2012 16:01 GMT
#603
On July 09 2012 23:47 anmolsinghmzn2009 wrote:
One thing I don't understand is why people say jayce is bad in the jungle? Sure his first clear may not be the best, but he clears decently with QW - mana not much of an issue cuz W passive. And his ganks are awesome - speed boost, ranged attacks, gap closer that slows letting you E knock them towards your tower.

To add on to what Seuss said.

What qualifies a jungler to be good isn't simply that they're passable or decent, they have to excel. Almost every champion in the game can clear the jungle; most can do it "decently." The problem becomes when you're playin competitively why would you pick a "decent" jungler when you can pick something better?
mr_tolkien
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
France8631 Posts
July 09 2012 16:14 GMT
#604
On July 10 2012 00:36 barbsq wrote:
Pretty much only supports (who end up with excess slots) can afford something with such garbage slot-efficiency as a boots 2 with no other stats.

Well, you can always sell it later, and I know for sure as top I'd LOVE to be able to buy boots early, especially for MS, when I'm ahead and want to rush big items >.< Then sell them later for mercs.
The legend of Darien lives on
Slusher
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States19143 Posts
July 09 2012 16:16 GMT
#605
I've bought into the hype, read every Morello post, I want to play the plant mage now. I hope shes unpopular so I can go Soniv on this one, but it's a chick character so I doubt it...
Carrilord has arrived.
iCanada
Profile Joined August 2010
Canada10660 Posts
July 09 2012 16:20 GMT
#606
On July 10 2012 01:16 Slusher wrote:
I've bought into the hype, read every Morello post, I want to play the plant mage now. I hope shes unpopular so I can go Soniv on this one, but it's a chick character so I doubt it...


Other thing is that Morello has spent three years hyping the plant mage.

I'm excited for her but also know she's going to be popular as balls unless she is stupidly hard to play.
jcarlsoniv
Profile Blog Joined January 2010
United States27922 Posts
July 09 2012 16:21 GMT
#607
On July 10 2012 01:16 Slusher wrote:
I've bought into the hype, read every Morello post, I want to play the plant mage now. I hope shes unpopular so I can go Soniv on this one, but it's a chick character so I doubt it...


Bro, Zyra gonna be instabuy for me, so I'm going all Soniv on her.
Soniv ||| Soniv#1962 ||| @jcarlsoniv ||| The Big Golem ||| Join the Glorious Evolution. What's your favorite aminal, a bear? ||| Joe "Don't call me Daniel" "Soniv" "Daniel" Carlsberg LXIX ||| Paging Dr. John Shadow
Alaric
Profile Joined November 2009
France45622 Posts
July 09 2012 16:29 GMT
#608
You can't if she's already so hyped even her wiki stub has pages and pages of comments. Well, Viktor got a lot of hype too, but he's a robot dude. She may be a plant, but she's a plant dudette, with a finer art at that from what it seems.
3rd arm can't compete.
Cant take LMS hipsters serious.
jcarlsoniv
Profile Blog Joined January 2010
United States27922 Posts
July 09 2012 16:32 GMT
#609
On July 10 2012 01:29 Alaric wrote:
You can't if she's already so hyped even her wiki stub has pages and pages of comments. Well, Viktor got a lot of hype too, but he's a robot dude. She may be a plant, but she's a plant dudette, with a finer art at that from what it seems.
3rd arm can't compete.


It's funny, I remember seeing Vik's hype, and his reveal, and his spotlight and thinking "god I am NOT going to play this guy, he doesn't look fun at all".

Oops.
Soniv ||| Soniv#1962 ||| @jcarlsoniv ||| The Big Golem ||| Join the Glorious Evolution. What's your favorite aminal, a bear? ||| Joe "Don't call me Daniel" "Soniv" "Daniel" Carlsberg LXIX ||| Paging Dr. John Shadow
Alaric
Profile Joined November 2009
France45622 Posts
July 09 2012 16:35 GMT
#610
I look, like, then l...egitimately admit I'm bad at it and neglect it too much (Orianna, Draven, etc.). But hey, I don't buy with RP, so it's fine. \o/ Well I still really want to be able to do well with them. But then I see somebody pick Fizz so I just lock Ryze.
Cant take LMS hipsters serious.
nyxnyxnyx
Profile Joined April 2010
Indonesia2978 Posts
July 09 2012 16:36 GMT
#611
i have instabought all female champs except karma

is that racist
cool beans
MooMooMugi
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United States10531 Posts
July 09 2012 16:38 GMT
#612
On July 10 2012 01:36 nyxnyxnyx wrote:
i have instabought all female champs except karma

is that racist

No, it means you like large breasts
|LoL & SC2 IGN both my username| Just livin' the baylife| Hearthstone ID: MooMooMugi#1544| Dank Memer since 2011
WaveofShadow
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada31495 Posts
July 09 2012 16:41 GMT
#613
On July 10 2012 01:38 MooMooMugi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 10 2012 01:36 nyxnyxnyx wrote:
i have instabought all female champs except karma

is that racist

No, it means you like large breasts

I like large breasts. Is that racist?
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Vaporized
Profile Joined July 2010
United States1471 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-07-09 16:41:58
July 09 2012 16:41 GMT
#614
On July 09 2012 23:45 jcarlsoniv wrote:

A bad first clear is in and of itself enough to disqualify a champion from jungling, and Jayce's first clear is bad. He's essentially relegated to Cloth Armor + 5 Potions as any other opening will collapse without a leash. Direct counter-jungling could easily be fatal for him even in good conditions. The first clear is what sets the tempo for the rest of a jungler's game, and Jayce's clear is too risky to be seriously competitive.

agreed. his first clear is almost disastrously bad. it gets way better after that, but it doesnt matter.
ticklishmusic
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
United States15977 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-07-09 16:49:03
July 09 2012 16:45 GMT
#615
On July 09 2012 17:36 Shikyo wrote:
So do people actually intentionally do suicide baits?

Like I was farming botlane and saw enemy team at dragon with my team coming, then we lost vision of them. I farmed my lane because I knew they'd come gank me, then retreated to my turret where their entire team dived me and I died, and then my team killed them and we won that trade 5-1. Of course the team flamed but, (Okay this was semi-intentional and I only thought about this halfway through but)

Do people do these things intentionally or am I exploring a bit too much?


Oh btw, hit Kogmaw with Jayce Q for 787 damage with BT and IE and LW, he kind of melted, dying from like 40%. Hilarious.


Ooh, pick me!

Yeah, I suicide bait as Ryze quite a bit actually. I know that if I get fed/farmed I should just stay alive and deny gold to the other team, but having the entire enemy team towerdive me is too irresistible. I just retreat under tower and mash the shit out of my keyboard. It's hilarious cuz I live about 5 seconds longer and do about a bajillion more damage than they expect, and then my team swoops in and plays janitor. I'm a believer in having a balanced K/A ratio, personally.

Of course, there's always Heimer with Zonya's... that's just trolling though.

EDIT: I'm a little disappoint. I thought Zyra was going to be Kerrigan.
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Seuss
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States10536 Posts
July 09 2012 16:50 GMT
#616
On July 10 2012 01:29 Alaric wrote:
You can't if she's already so hyped even her wiki stub has pages and pages of comments. Well, Viktor got a lot of hype too, but he's a robot dude. She may be a plant, but she's a plant dudette, with a finer art at that from what it seems.
3rd arm can't compete.


The root of the problem is that beauty sells. Riot isn't going to branch out anytime soon because their revenue largely stems from this fact; our culture leaves them little choice.
"I am not able to carry all this people alone, for they are too heavy for me." -Moses (Numbers 11:14)
jcarlsoniv
Profile Blog Joined January 2010
United States27922 Posts
July 09 2012 16:51 GMT
#617
On July 10 2012 01:50 Seuss wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 10 2012 01:29 Alaric wrote:
You can't if she's already so hyped even her wiki stub has pages and pages of comments. Well, Viktor got a lot of hype too, but he's a robot dude. She may be a plant, but she's a plant dudette, with a finer art at that from what it seems.
3rd arm can't compete.


The root of the problem is that beauty sells. Riot isn't going to branch out anytime soon because their revenue largely stems from this fact; our culture leaves them little choice.


I hope you know how much I genuinely hate you.
Soniv ||| Soniv#1962 ||| @jcarlsoniv ||| The Big Golem ||| Join the Glorious Evolution. What's your favorite aminal, a bear? ||| Joe "Don't call me Daniel" "Soniv" "Daniel" Carlsberg LXIX ||| Paging Dr. John Shadow
MooMooMugi
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United States10531 Posts
July 09 2012 17:17 GMT
#618
On July 10 2012 01:41 WaveofShadow wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 10 2012 01:38 MooMooMugi wrote:
On July 10 2012 01:36 nyxnyxnyx wrote:
i have instabought all female champs except karma

is that racist

No, it means you like large breasts

I like large breasts. Is that racist?

No, it mean you were nurtured when you were a child
|LoL & SC2 IGN both my username| Just livin' the baylife| Hearthstone ID: MooMooMugi#1544| Dank Memer since 2011
Seuss
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States10536 Posts
July 09 2012 17:23 GMT
#619
On July 10 2012 01:51 jcarlsoniv wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 10 2012 01:50 Seuss wrote:
On July 10 2012 01:29 Alaric wrote:
You can't if she's already so hyped even her wiki stub has pages and pages of comments. Well, Viktor got a lot of hype too, but he's a robot dude. She may be a plant, but she's a plant dudette, with a finer art at that from what it seems.
3rd arm can't compete.


The root of the problem is that beauty sells. Riot isn't going to branch out anytime soon because their revenue largely stems from this fact; our culture leaves them little choice.


I hope you know how much I genuinely hate you.


I'm stumped as to why a simple statement regarding a thorny issue would make you so livid.
"I am not able to carry all this people alone, for they are too heavy for me." -Moses (Numbers 11:14)
Vaporized
Profile Joined July 2010
United States1471 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-07-09 17:38:30
July 09 2012 17:37 GMT
#620
man jayce is so fun.

he is kinda wierd to me. his skills go from doing weak damage to suddenly chunking people when he starts getting his items. its crazy to say he sucks in team fights too. i think thats where he is strongest. you can jump on their carries doing aoe slow and knock them back and stun, doing pretty huge damage. i noticed his cannon q seems to get the sheen proc and it just does massive damage in a relatively large aoe if u shoot it through the gate.

and full comboing someone with all ranged and melee abilities is ridiculous. also getting a killing blow with a gate accelerated q will probably never get old either.
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