EPT[Patch 1.0.0.141: Draven] General Discussion - Page 275
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Juddas
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Slusher
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overt
United States9006 Posts
On July 06 2012 03:22 Juddas wrote: How viable is AD Annie? Like straight up, how viable would you see her? The reason ibask Is because I've been playing a good bit of Annie and her attack range is just too good to not abuse. She seems to have a good kit for it, aoe stuns, dmg reduction, and good base damage. Thoughts ? Very fun troll build. Not very viable serious mode build. I've played her before and her laning isn't too bad if you don't get behind pre-6. At 6 you have a lot of kill potential especially with like a Blitz or Ali or Taric support. You also have 625 range and a good AA animation. The problem comes later in the game where you have no reposition tool, you usually want to save your stun to protect yourself and let someone else initiate, and you have no attack steroid. So basically the same problems as building any AP carry AD. note: I think that you could probably run her bot lane with an aggressive support if you needed to put your AD carry mid. Like against a team running Kassadin or something. Obviously in this situation you'd build her AP though and there might be better APs for dual lane but yeah. Double stun lane is pretty good and no one runs it anymore. On July 06 2012 03:11 WaveofShadow wrote: Awww wait wtf? Was the 1v1 Grudgematch thread deleted? I don't really see what was so offensive about it, especially since we might be getting more of these happening now... (ie. incoming Smash v Shake) Was pretty obvious that it would get locked. Even after Xizor the next person to come up with something that people think is stupid would get trashed with their stupid idea in a 1v1 and then be ridiculed by people in that thread. It would've been hilarious and awesome but TL posting standards are pretty high. | ||
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WaveofShadow
Canada31495 Posts
She can farm pretty well even if you consider her auto is weak (can use Disintegrate) and has a defense steroid, not to mention better utility with an almost on-demand stun then many other ADs. To be honest, I wonder exactly why she isn't played as AD more often? Is it her base stats? I'm too lazy to check.  | ||
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Juddas
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Edit:@ above, those are my thoughts as well | ||
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Slusher
United States19143 Posts
shes more of a poor mans ashe than anything else. again any game you win with Annie (which is entirely possible) you would have won with any other ad carry. | ||
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thenexusp
United States3721 Posts
On July 06 2012 02:34 arb wrote: Blitzcrank is really fun tbh, and even if youre awful at grabs one grab late game will win you the game. Easily the most retard proof support i think. Except when you grab their amumu/galio/alistar and you instalose | ||
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jcarlsoniv
United States27922 Posts
On July 06 2012 03:32 Juddas wrote: Even with her imba range? She seems like she would be in par with Caitlyn. Except she has a more reliable hard cc and and no real escape Notice how often Caitlyn is actually picked as a viable AD by players in higher elos. The lack of attack steroid really hurts late game in comparison with every other AD. | ||
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Alaric
France45622 Posts
On July 06 2012 03:02 Alaric wrote: Going to play against Urgot top and Alistar jungle... oh I think it's going to hurt quite badly. Reporting: they sent Caitlyn mid, Urgot+Soraka bot, and... Orianna top. I was so surprised I almost neglected to attack her (she was blue side and went in by the river bush... ), and suddenly after a Q and 2 aa she had lost half her HP, and I was only running MPen marks as offensive runes. Oo That's so absurd, had I started boots that would have been level 1 fb with a burst in less than 8 seconds. | ||
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Juddas
768 Posts
Oh and for the record, ive played top lane orianna before, its similar to sivHD's counter bruiser bruiser lux. Its almost exactly like it actually. Wriggles, wits, mogs, atmas. Hybrid dmg too good | ||
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Perplex
United States1693 Posts
On July 06 2012 03:18 MooMooMugi wrote: Everyone is decent at the game and don't go full retard in 1500-1600? I hope you're trolling, I have harder time on my smurf in that ELO than in 2k Compared to 2k it's obviously much less coordinated and people are much worse at the game. I didn't take ranked seriously at all and I was in the 1300's for a while, so i'm using that as my reference point. Compared to the 1200-1300's, the 1600's are much easier to "carry" on a support. I'm using "carry" loosely here because it's relevant to the discussion, but what I actually mean is "affect the outcome of the game". I'm smurfing on my friends account at 1300 and people literally engage regardless of their surroundings the second they see an opportunity. When people from both teams are skirmishing and dying non stop in a raging clusterfuck for 35 minutes, there isn't much you can do in terms of ward or objective control. from 1600-1700 people at least stick together and know what they're doing mechanically. | ||
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Alaric
France45622 Posts
On July 06 2012 03:43 Juddas wrote: Who are you? Oh and for the record, ive played top lane orianna before, its similar to sivHD's counter bruiser bruiser lux. Its almost exactly like it actually. Wriggles, wits, mogs, atmas. Hybrid dmg too good He went boots+3 -> 2 drings -> catalyst, "normal" AP route. The previous game we had a Sivir destroy a Rize mid tho (well they killed one another because Sivir chased him early on and he had 750 mana at level 2, but it wasn't even close after that). | ||
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Juddas
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Cloud9157
United States2968 Posts
I think I heard she was getting reworked or something of the sort? They can probably start by making her e actually cost mana, rofl. The nerf to her ult should help a bit, too bad laning is still bullshit with her in the game. | ||
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Alaric
France45622 Posts
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Juddas
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Alaric
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Juddas
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HPoirot
United States1303 Posts
Her AD is higher at level 1(slightly), but by level 18 every AD carry has outpaced her. So, she's always going to do less right-click dps than every AD carry(and actually pretty much every other champion) in the game(assuming equal items). The utility of AoE stuns can't make up for the absurdly low damage output(in most cases). | ||
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Juddas
768 Posts
On July 06 2012 04:24 HPoirot wrote: Also worth noting is that Annie has the lowest attack speed(without items) of any champion. Her attack speed at level 18 is .708. Caitlyn's attack speed at level 18 is 1.01. Her AD is higher at level 1(slightly), but by level 18 every AD carry has outpaced her. So, she's always going to do less right-click dps than every AD carry(and actually pretty much every other champion) in the game(assuming equal items). The utility of AoE stuns can't make up for the absurdly low damage output(in most cases). Well that makes a lot of sense. Ok so she really is not very viable... Thanks for doing that research though! Hadn't eve. Thought to look at those stats | ||
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