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On July 04 2012 16:14 TheYango wrote:
Change of topic: Riot needs to start making champions that actually require mana management again. Just because a hero is a non-caster doesn't mean that you should completely void their need to manage mana.
Look at the last few champions released:
Draven: All flat mana costs. His 2 short-CD spells cost less than 50 mana apiece.
Darius: 3 flat mana costs, and 1 that scales by a measly 5 mana per rank.
Varus: 2 flat manacosts, 1 no mana cost, and 1 that scales by 5 mana per rank.
Instead of taking the approach of making these champs take effort to manage mana for, Riot seems to be taking the opposite approach of just trying to trivialize the mana costs of those champs that DO require mana management (e.g. the Lux and Ziggs buffs on PBE).
yeah i remember a patch showcase where they said "it's not fun to sit and be unable to cast your spells because of mana"
and i think that quote personifies riot's position.
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On July 04 2012 16:10 PrinceXizor wrote:Show nested quote +On July 04 2012 15:58 Chiharu Harukaze wrote:On July 04 2012 15:49 PrinceXizor wrote:On July 04 2012 14:25 zulu_nation8 wrote:On July 04 2012 13:59 PrinceXizor wrote:On July 04 2012 13:41 Shikyo wrote:On July 04 2012 12:19 Scip wrote:
Damn guys, duoQing with Shykio atm, haven't had this hilarious games in a while. Carrying is so easy but we gain only 4-8 elo each game hahaha. Reccoment everyone who is 2K+ to duoQ with someone at 1300-1500 range. This experiment proves that last pick = support even among 1800 elos, even if you say that you are terrible at support with an average win rate of 22% with support champions, and when you play terribly as support they will report you. It's too bad, the Graves game I went 7-2 and the Poppy top game I went 13-5, both vs 1700-1800s Oh but it's hilarious how angry some people are <_< And also there was some eve main at 1900 elo who beat karthus mid in farm... Eve new karthus counter? Eve can beat anyone in lane except a heavy mixed damage dealer. to do so it takes two rune pages though,, 1 for vs magic 1 for vs physical. She's kind of a bitch to lane against if the eve knows what they are doing. However, eves usefulness drops off considerably if camped if the game makes it past laning phase if the enemy team is intelligent. and unfortunately you only need two of the three. what are you talking about lol Eve building tanky can right click the enemy and win every lane, she's just such a terrible character outside of that ability that it's not worth it. she does have the best attack animation in the game though. Back this up with replays and proof. You're basically saying Eve is tanky right-click dps and she has the worst base stats for that. Either that, or stop trolling before you get warned/banned for terrible posting. ...I explained it earlier, but daaamn why should people be bothered to read before threatening banning . lol her passive lets you take literally 0 damage from minions, which lets you right click them mid wave, and they don't have a response because the minions deal enough damage to make any trade mid wave favorable. nothing to do with anything more than defense masteries + armor/Mres to mitigate most of the damage from the enemy + eve passive = bully in lane. But whatever explaining for the third time gets pretty damn boring, especially for people who don't read.
That's also pretty much true for nearly anyone who takes armour runes+masteries+reduced damage masteries. At this point, Eve passive is only reducing ~6 damage or less. At the same time, you have 10 less AD than most top laners (such as Irelia and Riven) and less HP/5 regen too (half of Riven's, even after RIven nerfs). Your base armour is also lower than nearly every top laner, and your mana pool is incredibly shallow too. You have no real sustain, burst or range either against all the other top champions such as Olaf, WW, Kennen.
I don't see how this is going to work.
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Ahaha, never jungling in ranked again. Only AD carry at this level, so easy to just win in last hits and harass and carry like fuck. I should have started this shit sooner, soooooooo easy.
Also, Ez W max first ezpz always win fights no matter what.
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On July 04 2012 16:21 Requizen wrote:
Ahaha, never jungling in ranked again. Only AD carry at this level, so easy to just win in last hits and harass and carry like fuck. I should have started this shit sooner, soooooooo easy.
Also, Ez W max first ezpz always win fights no matter what.
Yep. 200 Elo and going in 2days since I started playing only max W Ezreal.
Sadly I haven't been able to stream it because if I don't get Ezreal I usually dodge and do something else for 30 minutes.. can't stream that.
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On July 04 2012 16:10 PrinceXizor wrote:Show nested quote +On July 04 2012 15:58 Chiharu Harukaze wrote:On July 04 2012 15:49 PrinceXizor wrote:On July 04 2012 14:25 zulu_nation8 wrote:On July 04 2012 13:59 PrinceXizor wrote:On July 04 2012 13:41 Shikyo wrote:On July 04 2012 12:19 Scip wrote:
Damn guys, duoQing with Shykio atm, haven't had this hilarious games in a while. Carrying is so easy but we gain only 4-8 elo each game hahaha. Reccoment everyone who is 2K+ to duoQ with someone at 1300-1500 range. This experiment proves that last pick = support even among 1800 elos, even if you say that you are terrible at support with an average win rate of 22% with support champions, and when you play terribly as support they will report you. It's too bad, the Graves game I went 7-2 and the Poppy top game I went 13-5, both vs 1700-1800s Oh but it's hilarious how angry some people are <_< And also there was some eve main at 1900 elo who beat karthus mid in farm... Eve new karthus counter? Eve can beat anyone in lane except a heavy mixed damage dealer. to do so it takes two rune pages though,, 1 for vs magic 1 for vs physical. She's kind of a bitch to lane against if the eve knows what they are doing. However, eves usefulness drops off considerably if camped if the game makes it past laning phase if the enemy team is intelligent. and unfortunately you only need two of the three. what are you talking about lol Eve building tanky can right click the enemy and win every lane, she's just such a terrible character outside of that ability that it's not worth it. she does have the best attack animation in the game though. Back this up with replays and proof. You're basically saying Eve is tanky right-click dps and she has the worst base stats for that. Either that, or stop trolling before you get warned/banned for terrible posting. ...I explained it earlier, but daaamn why should people be bothered to read before threatening banning . lol her passive lets you take literally 0 damage from minions, which lets you right click them mid wave, and they don't have a response because the minions deal enough damage to make any trade mid wave favorable. nothing to do with anything more than defense masteries + armor/Mres to mitigate most of the damage from the enemy + eve passive = bully in lane. But whatever explaining for the third time gets pretty damn boring, especially for people who don't read. Especially when i never claimed eve was tanky, nor a good dps. but who care about facts when someone says stuff you don't like. lol
If that's the case, I'd probably play amumu instead since he takes 0 damage from creeps a lot earlier than eve I would think. And the creeps hitting you for 0 damage would also let you E constantly
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On July 04 2012 16:19 Chiharu Harukaze wrote:Show nested quote +On July 04 2012 16:10 PrinceXizor wrote:On July 04 2012 15:58 Chiharu Harukaze wrote:On July 04 2012 15:49 PrinceXizor wrote:On July 04 2012 14:25 zulu_nation8 wrote:On July 04 2012 13:59 PrinceXizor wrote:On July 04 2012 13:41 Shikyo wrote:On July 04 2012 12:19 Scip wrote:
Damn guys, duoQing with Shykio atm, haven't had this hilarious games in a while. Carrying is so easy but we gain only 4-8 elo each game hahaha. Reccoment everyone who is 2K+ to duoQ with someone at 1300-1500 range. This experiment proves that last pick = support even among 1800 elos, even if you say that you are terrible at support with an average win rate of 22% with support champions, and when you play terribly as support they will report you. It's too bad, the Graves game I went 7-2 and the Poppy top game I went 13-5, both vs 1700-1800s Oh but it's hilarious how angry some people are <_< And also there was some eve main at 1900 elo who beat karthus mid in farm... Eve new karthus counter? Eve can beat anyone in lane except a heavy mixed damage dealer. to do so it takes two rune pages though,, 1 for vs magic 1 for vs physical. She's kind of a bitch to lane against if the eve knows what they are doing. However, eves usefulness drops off considerably if camped if the game makes it past laning phase if the enemy team is intelligent. and unfortunately you only need two of the three. what are you talking about lol Eve building tanky can right click the enemy and win every lane, she's just such a terrible character outside of that ability that it's not worth it. she does have the best attack animation in the game though. Back this up with replays and proof. You're basically saying Eve is tanky right-click dps and she has the worst base stats for that. Either that, or stop trolling before you get warned/banned for terrible posting. ...I explained it earlier, but daaamn why should people be bothered to read before threatening banning . lol her passive lets you take literally 0 damage from minions, which lets you right click them mid wave, and they don't have a response because the minions deal enough damage to make any trade mid wave favorable. nothing to do with anything more than defense masteries + armor/Mres to mitigate most of the damage from the enemy + eve passive = bully in lane. But whatever explaining for the third time gets pretty damn boring, especially for people who don't read. That's also pretty much true for nearly anyone who takes armour runes+masteries+reduced damage masteries. At this point, Eve passive is only reducing ~4 damage or less. At the same time, you have 10 less AD than most top laners (such as Irelia and Riven) and less HP/5 regen too (half of Riven's, even after RIven nerfs). Your base armour is also lower than nearly every top laner, and your mana pool is incredibly shallow too. I don't see how this is going to work.
Probably wouldn't work against irelia nor warwick or teemo or any other mixed damage character (like i said before), since she does true damage and heals alot., but riven you just start your dorans shield go. you have to be smart about it you can't right click when no minions are there.
I know i bullied out malphite easily, bullied out darius (surprisingly, i expected his passive to make it too hard but...), bullied riven for 4 minutes until the jungler camped top. and once you've secured that position to farm further increasing your armor comes easily. Not saying she's a good pick or anything, eve is a terrible character. but you do win trades rather easily against single damage type characters mid wave.
eve reduces about 4 damage from the melee 6-7 from the ranged and 12 from the siege. thats alot of damage since it means it's about 30 dps that you don't take just from eve, even if the enemy goes minion damage reduction. if they just have regular armor amounts they take 67 dps from the non siege minions after 60 armor. It has nothing to do with Eve's paltry dps, but eve + minion dps is more than enough to out bully an opponent, or at the very least make them pop multiple potions just to keep up. thats assuming eve doesn't shred any of your armor with her e too. and that you have 60 armor at lvl 1 when eve can start taking 0 damage.
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Just going through the posts I missed while I was out.
On July 04 2012 11:31 WaveofShadow wrote:Show nested quote +On July 04 2012 11:15 overt wrote:On July 04 2012 10:46 IMoperator wrote:
Does annie have the best burst DPS out of all AP mids? That's who I've been using and it's really fun to just go Q-W-R and instantly kill someone lol. By the numbers you could probably find tons of champions who, numerically speaking, have higher burst than her. But in terms of just sheer AoE burst she does it more reliably than pretty much everyone. I think only like Orianna can realistically rival her in terms of AoE burst. Even if Fiddlesticks or Malzahar or something else technically has more burst damage those two do it a lot more reliably. Also ideal Annie combo is R-Q-W-Q or W-Q-R-Q. Q has travel time so you typically don't wanna lead with it, much better to lead with one of you insta-stuns (especially R since it does AoE dps). I did a rough calculation of this a little while ago for most AP champs. Don't think Annie was top 5. Edit: Found it. Show nested quote +
Can't tell if sarcastic, but yes, I agree. His burst combo requires a little more than say, Vik/Annie or any of the other massive burst level 6 combos from APs, but I believe his does the most damage?
His poke is alright too, it's just having to root yourself for the same range as Ziggs level insane poke kinda sucks.
Edit: Level 6 Xerath = 600 + 3.1*AP burst if you hit all your spells.
Level 6 Ahri (Assuming max Q first) = 620 + 2.66*AP if you hit everything on the same target.
Level 6 Annie = not even close. Even with Tibbers AoE and attack damage.
Level 6 Viktor = 740 + 3.65*AP if your storm stays on target for full duration. Not unreasonable.
Hmm....gonna go through the rest of these but I think Viktor may win the level 6 burst combo. (I'm not going to include Cassiopeia because she is always hands down going to come up #1 if you can Hit R-->Q/W--> E spam for a few secs. Also won't include Ryze because he doesn't really have a 'burst,' per se.)
For most of these I am assuming level 3 of commonly maxed skill (ie Ziggs - bouncing Bomb, Annie - Disintegrate, etc) and 1 point in every other skill.
Level 6 Ziggs = 685 + 3.4*AP however, this is assuming the champion in question is sitting in the middle of your giant bomb explosion AND runs over every single mine you drop, so in reality this will be lower (both AP multiplier and damage).
Level 6 Vlad = 510 + 1.75*AP assuming you get 4 Tides of Blood stacks and sit on them for whole pool duration.
Level 6 Gragas = 465 + 2.4*AP (and a little bit of damage from AD)
Level 6 Brand = 806+ 3.45*AP + Blaze damage (Assuming of course that you hit Pillar after Conflag and you miraculously have one enemy minion to bounce Pyroclasm off of to hit enemy champ 3 times. In reality, much lower.)
Level 6 Veigar = 540 + 2.8*AP + 0.8 enemy*AP
Level 6 Kennen = 545 + 3.1*AP + a couple autos I guess for stun combo/W passive. This is a really good one because it's essentially all guaranteed damage with the stun so in reality the number is somewhere above 600.
Level 6 Malzahar = 530 + 2.9*AP + whatever damage done from Nullzone. (Assuming E max, I guess) Also a huge combo.
Level 6 Morgana = 705 + 3.3*AP (assuming W max) another huge one.
Not 100% sure why I did this but it's still interesting to see. Anyone I forgot?
Leblanc.
566+2.99*AP with Q>R>E>W, 606+3.49*AP after the second tick of E
What's really scary is the fact that with good mechanics, all that damage happens within a second and a half. One of the highest AP ratios with mid-high damage.
Wingsofdeath actually taught me to top lane. Prior to him getting popular, all I did was call anything but top in champion select for ranked and now I can play all roles at 1600. I won't carry from top lane too much but I haven't lost it.
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On the eve discussion, I've seen saint play her when he's stuck supporting a few times lately. I recall him actually carrying one game though, trinity+IE makes eve hurt so bad.
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On July 04 2012 16:19 Chiharu Harukaze wrote:Show nested quote +On July 04 2012 16:10 PrinceXizor wrote:On July 04 2012 15:58 Chiharu Harukaze wrote:On July 04 2012 15:49 PrinceXizor wrote:On July 04 2012 14:25 zulu_nation8 wrote:On July 04 2012 13:59 PrinceXizor wrote:On July 04 2012 13:41 Shikyo wrote:On July 04 2012 12:19 Scip wrote:
Damn guys, duoQing with Shykio atm, haven't had this hilarious games in a while. Carrying is so easy but we gain only 4-8 elo each game hahaha. Reccoment everyone who is 2K+ to duoQ with someone at 1300-1500 range. This experiment proves that last pick = support even among 1800 elos, even if you say that you are terrible at support with an average win rate of 22% with support champions, and when you play terribly as support they will report you. It's too bad, the Graves game I went 7-2 and the Poppy top game I went 13-5, both vs 1700-1800s Oh but it's hilarious how angry some people are <_< And also there was some eve main at 1900 elo who beat karthus mid in farm... Eve new karthus counter? Eve can beat anyone in lane except a heavy mixed damage dealer. to do so it takes two rune pages though,, 1 for vs magic 1 for vs physical. She's kind of a bitch to lane against if the eve knows what they are doing. However, eves usefulness drops off considerably if camped if the game makes it past laning phase if the enemy team is intelligent. and unfortunately you only need two of the three. what are you talking about lol Eve building tanky can right click the enemy and win every lane, she's just such a terrible character outside of that ability that it's not worth it. she does have the best attack animation in the game though. Back this up with replays and proof. You're basically saying Eve is tanky right-click dps and she has the worst base stats for that. Either that, or stop trolling before you get warned/banned for terrible posting. ...I explained it earlier, but daaamn why should people be bothered to read before threatening banning . lol her passive lets you take literally 0 damage from minions, which lets you right click them mid wave, and they don't have a response because the minions deal enough damage to make any trade mid wave favorable. nothing to do with anything more than defense masteries + armor/Mres to mitigate most of the damage from the enemy + eve passive = bully in lane. But whatever explaining for the third time gets pretty damn boring, especially for people who don't read. That's also pretty much true for nearly anyone who takes armour runes+masteries+reduced damage masteries. At this point, Eve passive is only reducing ~6 damage or less. At the same time, you have 10 less AD than most top laners (such as Irelia and Riven) and less HP/5 regen too (half of Riven's, even after RIven nerfs). Your base armour is also lower than nearly every top laner, and your mana pool is incredibly shallow too. You have no real sustain, burst or range either against all the other top champions such as Olaf, WW, Kennen. I don't see how this is going to work.
Alright I'll do my best to put this to rest, since Eve is and probably always will be one of my favourite champions (and I'm forever sad that I can't REALLY play her).
What our good frined Xizor is referring to is a post by...RiotNome I think it was, explaining how to run top lane Eve with Heal/Ignite.
Basically it only works against stupid lane opponents who don't see the Heal/Ignite bait coming. And even then most of the time you need some serious jungler help to get past the early game.
Once you can grab a Sheen and Mobilities you can then start ganking all over the mpa doing what Eve does best.
I tried this a few times last week and it did work to some extent (I even beat a Darius!!) but also remember that I'm barely 1400 level, 1500 normals maybe. There is no way that is a viable strategy for high elo games; the guy who plays Eve at '1900 level' (Dye44 or something like that, his Eve alt is 'BeliEVE or afk') maxed out his Eve account at 1700 and can't get past that point.
I'll try to find the Riot post for reference. Some guy around 1200s uses this info to stream...it's pretty entertaining but again, don't see it working at high level. Eve just sucks wayy too hard and is way too easily countered my a single gank.
http://na.leagueoflegends.com/board/showthread.php?p=25586207#25586207
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I use tele/exhaust, not heal/ignite. i'm not a gimmick player as much as i like playing a character where i can maximize 1 aspect of a character and abuse it as much as i can. i don't rely on opponent mistakes. I'd welcome gank's top since 1 point in w lets you get away as long as you aren't a moron with your positioning. any time the jungler spends top vs eve is a waste where your team can potentially take dragon.
But aside from in fun games i wouldn't consider eve a viable pick unless your team is super confident and you know you can shut down the best player on their team.
she's such a baddie character otherwise.
However i've said all of this multiple times by now. so if this is new to you then you are just overreacting without even reading.
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On July 04 2012 16:21 Requizen wrote:
Ahaha, never jungling in ranked again. Only AD carry at this level, so easy to just win in last hits and harass and carry like fuck. I should have started this shit sooner, soooooooo easy.
Also, Ez W max first ezpz always win fights no matter what.
I wish it was that easy for me :-/
Yesterday the only reason my support was there was to give the opponents lots of quick money so they could push me out of lane easily.
I went even in CS with a 5/0 cait when i was 0/0 ashe but sometimes getting 80% cs is just not enough.
I'm thinking about switching back to top lane, at least no teammates can mess up your lane there.
Midlane you need blue buff too much and there are too many junglers running in on that half health AP carry and get bursted down instantly.
I really, really wish i had someone to duoQ with, it's getting annoying.
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Its a shame Smash isn't here. We're missing some serious 1v1 grudgematch possibilities.
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On July 04 2012 16:44 TheYango wrote:
Its a shame Smash isn't here. We're missing some serious 1v1 grudgematch possibilities.
lol so many grudgematches xD i was surprised i bullied out darius' it might just be because the quality of player that plays darius is far worse than most top laners.
I never said "eve is a good pick"
i just said "eve can win almost any lane"
after that point. eve becomes so useless unless you managed to make their top/wherever so horribly underfarmed that you can effectively 4v4.
EDIT: i guess you could make eve a mobile invis aura boat.. since you'd get frozen heart, reverie, locket, aegis.
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On July 04 2012 16:47 PrinceXizor wrote:Show nested quote +On July 04 2012 16:44 TheYango wrote:
Its a shame Smash isn't here. We're missing some serious 1v1 grudgematch possibilities. lol so many grudgematches xD i was surprised i bullied out darius' it might just be because the quality of player that plays darius is far worse than most top laners. I never said "eve is a good pick" i just said "eve can win almost any lane" after that point. eve becomes so useless unless you managed to make their top/wherever so horribly underfarmed that you can effectively 4v4. EDIT: i guess you could make eve a mobile invis aura boat.. since you'd get frozen heart, reverie, locket, aegis.
i dont really like asking it but what's your elo?
cause I understand the theory behind it but I have a really really hard time believing that it'd work against half-decent players. besides, like someone said earlier, if you're going for reduced minion damage cheese to win lanes Amumu would do just as well/better and Fizz would do really well too.
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On July 04 2012 16:56 Ryuu314 wrote:Show nested quote +On July 04 2012 16:47 PrinceXizor wrote:On July 04 2012 16:44 TheYango wrote:
Its a shame Smash isn't here. We're missing some serious 1v1 grudgematch possibilities. lol so many grudgematches xD i was surprised i bullied out darius' it might just be because the quality of player that plays darius is far worse than most top laners. I never said "eve is a good pick" i just said "eve can win almost any lane" after that point. eve becomes so useless unless you managed to make their top/wherever so horribly underfarmed that you can effectively 4v4. EDIT: i guess you could make eve a mobile invis aura boat.. since you'd get frozen heart, reverie, locket, aegis. i dont really like asking it but what's your elo? cause I understand the theory behind it but I have a really really hard time believing that it'd work against half-decent players. besides, like someone said earlier, if you're going for reduced minion damage cheese to win lanes Amumu would do just as well/better and Fizz would do really well too.
amumu wouldn't do as well because he still takes damage until lvls 5-6. the strategy would only really work if you start the harrassment at lvl 1. fizz doesn't take nearly as much reduced damage as eve and has the same issue as amumu, though both fizz and amumu are far better characters overall. when you build eve like this she just becomes a 1 trick pony, shuts down her lane opponent and at the point you kinda just pray your team can handle the 4v4 maybe with a decent initiate from you.
EDIT: Btw saint vicious duo queue with westrice and is jungle gragas. no idea if he's streaming. lol he's going all 4 gold/10 items and westrice is doing terribly vs darius tried to go all out offense as jarvan.
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I've been encountering some "new" kind of trolls.
In champion select they pick a fight with someone(generally people who asked for a lane and were before them in picks), then pick someone like Evelynn with Revive/Clarity and someone always dodges because nowadays you don't lose elo on dodges. Also, they can't be reported and even if game starts, they can't report the chat because it's not saved in the log.
On July 04 2012 17:09 zulu_nation8 wrote:
just stop please
All your replies are oneliners with no content at all. Why don't you refute his arguments with some proper counterarguments / examples of your own?
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On July 04 2012 17:09 zulu_nation8 wrote:
just stop please
ditto.
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On July 04 2012 17:10 Shikyo wrote:
I've been encountering some "new" kind of trolls.
In champion select they pick a fight with someone(generally people who asked for a lane and were before them in picks), then pick someone like Evelynn with Revive/Clarity and someone always dodges because nowadays you don't lose elo on dodges. Also, they can't be reported and even if game starts, they can't report the chat because it's not saved in the log.
I personally don't dodge. It's a relatively long wait to queue again. Just report the person if the game starts and take a minute to write up a description of what he did under griefing. Something along the lines of "Was 4th pick, did not get mid so decided to pick evelyn. Proceeded to run from mid lane to bottom and back spamming /laugh" is generally sufficient information to get people to hit punish in tribunal if the person has a habit of doing such things. It sucks if it happens in ranked games but just consider it a chance to either gain elo, or lose elo + help remove a person from the player pool
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On July 04 2012 16:58 PrinceXizor wrote:Show nested quote +On July 04 2012 16:56 Ryuu314 wrote:On July 04 2012 16:47 PrinceXizor wrote:On July 04 2012 16:44 TheYango wrote:
Its a shame Smash isn't here. We're missing some serious 1v1 grudgematch possibilities. lol so many grudgematches xD i was surprised i bullied out darius' it might just be because the quality of player that plays darius is far worse than most top laners. I never said "eve is a good pick" i just said "eve can win almost any lane" after that point. eve becomes so useless unless you managed to make their top/wherever so horribly underfarmed that you can effectively 4v4. EDIT: i guess you could make eve a mobile invis aura boat.. since you'd get frozen heart, reverie, locket, aegis. i dont really like asking it but what's your elo? cause I understand the theory behind it but I have a really really hard time believing that it'd work against half-decent players. besides, like someone said earlier, if you're going for reduced minion damage cheese to win lanes Amumu would do just as well/better and Fizz would do really well too. amumu wouldn't do as well because he still takes damage until lvls 5-6. the strategy would only really work if you start the harrassment at lvl 1. fizz doesn't take nearly as much reduced damage as eve and has the same issue as amumu, though both fizz and amumu are far better characters overall. when you build eve like this she just becomes a 1 trick pony, shuts down her lane opponent and at the point you kinda just pray your team can handle the 4v4 maybe with a decent initiate from you. EDIT: Btw saint vicious duo queue with westrice and is jungle gragas. no idea if he's streaming. lol he's going all 4 gold/10 items and westrice is doing terribly vs darius tried to go all out offense as jarvan.
Oh westrice is duoing with saint. No wonder he's dropped so much Elo.
edit: The Binding of Isaac looks like a fun game, is it worth buying?
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On July 04 2012 17:25 HazMat wrote:Show nested quote +On July 04 2012 16:58 PrinceXizor wrote:On July 04 2012 16:56 Ryuu314 wrote:On July 04 2012 16:47 PrinceXizor wrote:On July 04 2012 16:44 TheYango wrote:
Its a shame Smash isn't here. We're missing some serious 1v1 grudgematch possibilities. lol so many grudgematches xD i was surprised i bullied out darius' it might just be because the quality of player that plays darius is far worse than most top laners. I never said "eve is a good pick" i just said "eve can win almost any lane" after that point. eve becomes so useless unless you managed to make their top/wherever so horribly underfarmed that you can effectively 4v4. EDIT: i guess you could make eve a mobile invis aura boat.. since you'd get frozen heart, reverie, locket, aegis. i dont really like asking it but what's your elo? cause I understand the theory behind it but I have a really really hard time believing that it'd work against half-decent players. besides, like someone said earlier, if you're going for reduced minion damage cheese to win lanes Amumu would do just as well/better and Fizz would do really well too. amumu wouldn't do as well because he still takes damage until lvls 5-6. the strategy would only really work if you start the harrassment at lvl 1. fizz doesn't take nearly as much reduced damage as eve and has the same issue as amumu, though both fizz and amumu are far better characters overall. when you build eve like this she just becomes a 1 trick pony, shuts down her lane opponent and at the point you kinda just pray your team can handle the 4v4 maybe with a decent initiate from you. EDIT: Btw saint vicious duo queue with westrice and is jungle gragas. no idea if he's streaming. lol he's going all 4 gold/10 items and westrice is doing terribly vs darius tried to go all out offense as jarvan. Oh westrice is duoing with saint. No wonder he's dropped so much Elo.
well saint trolling aside, that game westrice and saint were 2 and 1 on their team in terms of gold, cs, xp, kdr.
and westrice was 4-10. Their urgot had 4k under the enemy 5, and was 0-10. the soraka was 0-5 and even further under their 5, their ahri was 1-8 with equal money to the 5.
saint had 10k, westrice has 9.8k enemy 1 2 3 positions had 14k. game was ugly and had nothing to do with saint trolling in the jungle with avarice blade graggy.
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