[Patch 1.0.0.141: Draven] General Discussion - Page 255

On July 04 2012 11:15 overt wrote:


By the numbers you could probably find tons of champions who, numerically speaking, have higher burst than her. But in terms of just sheer AoE burst she does it more reliably than pretty much everyone. I think only like Orianna can realistically rival her in terms of AoE burst.

Even if Fiddlesticks or Malzahar or something else technically has more burst damage those two do it a lot more reliably. Also ideal Annie combo is R-Q-W-Q or W-Q-R-Q. Q has travel time so you typically don't wanna lead with it, much better to lead with one of you insta-stuns (especially R since it does AoE dps).

Can't tell if sarcastic, but yes, I agree. His burst combo requires a little more than say, Vik/Annie or any of the other massive burst level 6 combos from APs, but I believe his does the most damage?

His poke is alright too, it's just having to root yourself for the same range as Ziggs level insane poke kinda sucks.

Edit: Level 6 Xerath = 600 + 3.1*AP burst if you hit all your spells.
Level 6 Ahri (Assuming max Q first) = 620 + 2.66*AP if you hit everything on the same target.
Level 6 Annie = not even close. Even with Tibbers AoE and attack damage.
Level 6 Viktor = 740 + 3.65*AP if your storm stays on target for full duration. Not unreasonable.

Hmm....gonna go through the rest of these but I think Viktor may win the level 6 burst combo. (I'm not going to include Cassiopeia because she is always hands down going to come up #1 if you can Hit R-->Q/W--> E spam for a few secs. Also won't include Ryze because he doesn't really have a 'burst,' per se.)

For most of these I am assuming level 3 of commonly maxed skill (ie Ziggs - bouncing Bomb, Annie - Disintegrate, etc) and 1 point in every other skill.

Level 6 Ziggs = 685 + 3.4*AP however, this is assuming the champion in question is sitting in the middle of your giant bomb explosion AND runs over every single mine you drop, so in reality this will be lower (both AP multiplier and damage).
Level 6 Vlad = 510 + 1.75*AP assuming you get 4 Tides of Blood stacks and sit on them for whole pool duration.
Level 6 Gragas = 465 + 2.4*AP (and a little bit of damage from AD)


Level 6 Brand = 806+ 3.45*AP + Blaze damage (Assuming of course that you hit Pillar after Conflag and you miraculously have one enemy minion to bounce Pyroclasm off of to hit enemy champ 3 times. In reality, much lower.)
Level 6 Veigar = 540 + 2.8*AP + 0.8 enemy*AP
Level 6 Kennen = 545 + 3.1*AP + a couple autos I guess for stun combo/W passive. This is a really good one because it's essentially all guaranteed damage with the stun so in reality the number is somewhere above 600.
Level 6 Malzahar = 530 + 2.9*AP + whatever damage done from Nullzone. (Assuming E max, I guess) Also a huge combo.
Level 6 Morgana = 705 + 3.3*AP (assuming W max) another huge one.


Not 100% sure why I did this but it's still interesting to see. Anyone I forgot?

On July 04 2012 11:22 Navi wrote:
there was like new hardcore ranked music sounds right?
how come i keep hearing it everywhere (like after game, it repeats)
i mute the music, slide the volume down to 0, no matter
it comes back soon
maybe this is some other virus?
idk

On July 04 2012 11:22 Navi wrote:
there was like new hardcore ranked music sounds right?
how come i keep hearing it everywhere (like after game, it repeats)
i mute the music, slide the volume down to 0, no matter
it comes back soon
maybe this is some other virus?
idk

On July 04 2012 11:31 WaveofShadow wrote:


I did a rough calculation of this a little while ago for most AP champs.
Don't think Annie was top 5.

Edit: Found it.

On July 04 2012 11:41 overt wrote:


Yeh, I know that her numerical burst isn't that high. But she's not a single target burst assassin. She's an AoE burst mage. Assume she hits five people with her R and W, I don't think anyone else comes close to her damage output in a single spell rotation. Which is why I said she does more AoE burst and does it more reliably than pretty much any champion (except maybe Ori).

On July 04 2012 12:02 WaveofShadow wrote:


If Viktor OR Ziggs hit 5 people with their two AoE spells they will do more damage than Annie.
Brand is less reliable but also has potential for much more AoE burst (though not on 5 people, more like 2-3).

And to add, landing Viktor's combo is basically the same thing as landing an Annie combo but without the stun (though if done properly you can even throw a stun in).

On July 04 2012 12:19 Scip wrote:
Damn guys, duoQing with Shykio atm, haven't had this hilarious games in a while. Carrying is so easy but we gain only 4-8 elo each game hahaha. Reccoment everyone who is 2K+ to duoQ with someone at 1300-1500 range.

On July 04 2012 12:49 SnK-Arcbound wrote:

I had someone do this, but then he had the 1500 play eve, camp top instead of supporting bottom, and proceed to feed top, while bottom lane lost. He quit the game not too long before we lost, and I know he was reported by a bunch of people. Not a very good way to queue with someone higher than you. Also apparently malphite+eve doesn't beat irelia.

On July 04 2012 13:37 randomKo_Orean wrote:
Infernal Alistar looks sick.

Taric Malphite on the other hand...

On July 04 2012 12:19 Scip wrote:
Damn guys, duoQing with Shykio atm, haven't had this hilarious games in a while. Carrying is so easy but we gain only 4-8 elo each game hahaha. Reccoment everyone who is 2K+ to duoQ with someone at 1300-1500 range.

On July 04 2012 13:41 Shikyo wrote:


This experiment proves that last pick = support even among 1800 elos, even if you say that you are terrible at support with an average win rate of 22% with support champions, and when you play terribly as support they will report you.

It's too bad, the Graves game I went 7-2 and the Poppy top game I went 13-5, both vs 1700-1800s

Oh but it's hilarious how angry some people are <_< And also there was some eve main at 1900 elo who beat karthus mid in farm... Eve new karthus counter?