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Saint having 10k probably had something to do with his 4 gp10 build.
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Speaking of which I was spectating one of Loci's games and Link115 was doing triple g10 Corki mid with philo hog and avarice blade. Seemed like it did nothing because he had 100 more cs than everyone else but was not too far ahead on items over the Ad carries. Not to mention all the kill potential you lose by not getting your damage items.
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On July 04 2012 16:58 PrinceXizor wrote:Show nested quote +On July 04 2012 16:56 Ryuu314 wrote:On July 04 2012 16:47 PrinceXizor wrote:On July 04 2012 16:44 TheYango wrote:
Its a shame Smash isn't here. We're missing some serious 1v1 grudgematch possibilities. lol so many grudgematches xD i was surprised i bullied out darius' it might just be because the quality of player that plays darius is far worse than most top laners. I never said "eve is a good pick" i just said "eve can win almost any lane" after that point. eve becomes so useless unless you managed to make their top/wherever so horribly underfarmed that you can effectively 4v4. EDIT: i guess you could make eve a mobile invis aura boat.. since you'd get frozen heart, reverie, locket, aegis. i dont really like asking it but what's your elo? cause I understand the theory behind it but I have a really really hard time believing that it'd work against half-decent players. besides, like someone said earlier, if you're going for reduced minion damage cheese to win lanes Amumu would do just as well/better and Fizz would do really well too. amumu wouldn't do as well because he still takes damage until lvls 5-6. the strategy would only really work if you start the harrassment at lvl 1. fizz doesn't take nearly as much reduced damage as eve and has the same issue as amumu, though both fizz and amumu are far better characters overall. when you build eve like this she just becomes a 1 trick pony, shuts down her lane opponent and at the point you kinda just pray your team can handle the 4v4 maybe with a decent initiate from you. EDIT: Btw saint vicious duo queue with westrice and is jungle gragas. no idea if he's streaming. lol he's going all 4 gold/10 items and westrice is doing terribly vs darius tried to go all out offense as jarvan.
So.. you keep dodging the elo question, you insist on not showing replays or VODs.
Since I'm always willing to get my ass kicked by people with superior knowledge and mechanics I'll 1n1 you as Jarv/Riven/Pantheon/Teemo solo top np. Got access to a level 30 EU account?
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That sounds really weird, especially considering that one of those gp10s build into anything corki would actually want, so they are basically giving you mediocre stats you don't really want, build into nothing you want, and pay for that after half an hour or so. That does not sound like a tradeoff which is worth it to me.
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On July 04 2012 17:38 r.Evo wrote:Show nested quote +On July 04 2012 16:58 PrinceXizor wrote:On July 04 2012 16:56 Ryuu314 wrote:On July 04 2012 16:47 PrinceXizor wrote:On July 04 2012 16:44 TheYango wrote:
Its a shame Smash isn't here. We're missing some serious 1v1 grudgematch possibilities. lol so many grudgematches xD i was surprised i bullied out darius' it might just be because the quality of player that plays darius is far worse than most top laners. I never said "eve is a good pick" i just said "eve can win almost any lane" after that point. eve becomes so useless unless you managed to make their top/wherever so horribly underfarmed that you can effectively 4v4. EDIT: i guess you could make eve a mobile invis aura boat.. since you'd get frozen heart, reverie, locket, aegis. i dont really like asking it but what's your elo? cause I understand the theory behind it but I have a really really hard time believing that it'd work against half-decent players. besides, like someone said earlier, if you're going for reduced minion damage cheese to win lanes Amumu would do just as well/better and Fizz would do really well too. amumu wouldn't do as well because he still takes damage until lvls 5-6. the strategy would only really work if you start the harrassment at lvl 1. fizz doesn't take nearly as much reduced damage as eve and has the same issue as amumu, though both fizz and amumu are far better characters overall. when you build eve like this she just becomes a 1 trick pony, shuts down her lane opponent and at the point you kinda just pray your team can handle the 4v4 maybe with a decent initiate from you. EDIT: Btw saint vicious duo queue with westrice and is jungle gragas. no idea if he's streaming. lol he's going all 4 gold/10 items and westrice is doing terribly vs darius tried to go all out offense as jarvan. So.. you keep dodging the elo question, you insist on not showing replays or VODs. Since I'm always willing to get my ass kicked by people with superior knowledge and mechanics I'll 1n1 you as Jarv/Riven/Pantheon solo top np. Got access to a level 30 EU account?
I am willing to spectate. 
Also I'm not trying to add fuel to the fire or anything, but why is it whenever we seem to...let's say....'gang up' on a poor poster in the subforum they always refuse to mention their own skill in any way, either dodging the question or flat out not giving up their elo?
I mean, I get that's kind of a dick thing for us to ask of somebody, to 'prove they should be allowed to say what they're saying' and whatnot, but still....people like me and r.Evo own up to our badness.....
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The "ganging up" usually is a result of "weird claim" -> "get called out for it" -> "insist on weird claim without further backup" ... That's usually the moment when people get pissy.
It's not cool to walk into a group of people and say "You're all dumb, let me explain this again...!" without giving them any incentive to believe you besides "Just listen to me, I know my shit".
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He said his Elo some pages back. I forgot it because I don't care about boring trolls that act nice so people aren't allowed to call them out on their bullshit but it's there. This guy is exactly like RobertDinh, just less offensive.
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On July 04 2012 17:38 Simberto wrote:
That sounds really weird, especially considering that one of those gp10s build into anything corki would actually want, so they are basically giving you mediocre stats you don't really want, build into nothing you want, and pay for that after half an hour or so. That does not sound like a tradeoff which is worth it to me.
Yeah he didn't even get a ghostblade. It's link though so it's not a surprise. He just does some hipster thing and he's a good player so it works.
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when someone has proven himself to be completely wrong in everything he says there's no point debating.
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On July 04 2012 17:38 r.Evo wrote:Show nested quote +On July 04 2012 16:58 PrinceXizor wrote:On July 04 2012 16:56 Ryuu314 wrote:On July 04 2012 16:47 PrinceXizor wrote:On July 04 2012 16:44 TheYango wrote:
Its a shame Smash isn't here. We're missing some serious 1v1 grudgematch possibilities. lol so many grudgematches xD i was surprised i bullied out darius' it might just be because the quality of player that plays darius is far worse than most top laners. I never said "eve is a good pick" i just said "eve can win almost any lane" after that point. eve becomes so useless unless you managed to make their top/wherever so horribly underfarmed that you can effectively 4v4. EDIT: i guess you could make eve a mobile invis aura boat.. since you'd get frozen heart, reverie, locket, aegis. i dont really like asking it but what's your elo? cause I understand the theory behind it but I have a really really hard time believing that it'd work against half-decent players. besides, like someone said earlier, if you're going for reduced minion damage cheese to win lanes Amumu would do just as well/better and Fizz would do really well too. amumu wouldn't do as well because he still takes damage until lvls 5-6. the strategy would only really work if you start the harrassment at lvl 1. fizz doesn't take nearly as much reduced damage as eve and has the same issue as amumu, though both fizz and amumu are far better characters overall. when you build eve like this she just becomes a 1 trick pony, shuts down her lane opponent and at the point you kinda just pray your team can handle the 4v4 maybe with a decent initiate from you. EDIT: Btw saint vicious duo queue with westrice and is jungle gragas. no idea if he's streaming. lol he's going all 4 gold/10 items and westrice is doing terribly vs darius tried to go all out offense as jarvan. So.. you keep dodging the elo question, you insist on not showing replays or VODs. Since I'm always willing to get my ass kicked by people with superior knowledge and mechanics I'll 1n1 you as Jarv/Riven/Pantheon/Teemo solo top np. Got access to a level 30 EU account?
Found the post:
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=342361¤tpage=243#4845
Also, regarding that, http://lolmatches.com/ can find your normal ELO. I'm not 100% sure it's accurate but it gives a pretty good estimation if it doesn't (My normal ELO before I started only queueing for ranked was 1780s or so, ranked ELO is ~1620 atm).
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On July 04 2012 17:50 zulu_nation8 wrote:
when someone has proven himself to be completely wrong in everything he says there's no point debating.
exactly why i've given up on you sir. 
but yeah i;ve stated my elo three times already in the thread when people call me out. but eh. no one pays attention so i'm done trying 1800 support btw though i feel my skill level is about 50-75 above that in terms of ELO as support, my top skill level probably would put me around 1400 ELO. i only really know troll builds + renekton + lee sin for top. Jungler probably similar ELO, i don't do enough to counteract the enemy jungler to be effective enough as a jungler.  Only AD carries i play are Ezreal and Draven and i feel i'm decent w/ them but oftentimes i find myself out of position w/ draven because he really just commits to everything he does, and only never with EZ because he escapes easily with his e.
and no unfortunately i've never even touched the EU server. so i'd have a lvl 1 account.
On July 04 2012 17:31 Shikyo wrote:
Saint having 10k probably had something to do with his 4 gp10 build.
True. lol.
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On July 04 2012 17:25 HazMat wrote:Show nested quote +On July 04 2012 16:58 PrinceXizor wrote:On July 04 2012 16:56 Ryuu314 wrote:On July 04 2012 16:47 PrinceXizor wrote:On July 04 2012 16:44 TheYango wrote:
Its a shame Smash isn't here. We're missing some serious 1v1 grudgematch possibilities. lol so many grudgematches xD i was surprised i bullied out darius' it might just be because the quality of player that plays darius is far worse than most top laners. I never said "eve is a good pick" i just said "eve can win almost any lane" after that point. eve becomes so useless unless you managed to make their top/wherever so horribly underfarmed that you can effectively 4v4. EDIT: i guess you could make eve a mobile invis aura boat.. since you'd get frozen heart, reverie, locket, aegis. i dont really like asking it but what's your elo? cause I understand the theory behind it but I have a really really hard time believing that it'd work against half-decent players. besides, like someone said earlier, if you're going for reduced minion damage cheese to win lanes Amumu would do just as well/better and Fizz would do really well too. amumu wouldn't do as well because he still takes damage until lvls 5-6. the strategy would only really work if you start the harrassment at lvl 1. fizz doesn't take nearly as much reduced damage as eve and has the same issue as amumu, though both fizz and amumu are far better characters overall. when you build eve like this she just becomes a 1 trick pony, shuts down her lane opponent and at the point you kinda just pray your team can handle the 4v4 maybe with a decent initiate from you. EDIT: Btw saint vicious duo queue with westrice and is jungle gragas. no idea if he's streaming. lol he's going all 4 gold/10 items and westrice is doing terribly vs darius tried to go all out offense as jarvan. Oh westrice is duoing with saint. No wonder he's dropped so much Elo. edit: The Binding of Isaac looks like a fun game, is it worth buying?
if you like alt tabbing every time you get an item. it's pretty much zelda with no puzzles, randomly generated maps, worse combat mechanics and permadeath. I don't know why roguelikes are so attached to not explaining their items, especially when you can just alt tab and look them up.
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hell i'll 1 v 1 you no problem, do you have diablo gold?
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On July 04 2012 15:55 PrinceXizor wrote:Show nested quote +On July 04 2012 15:54 spinesheath wrote:On July 04 2012 15:49 PrinceXizor wrote:On July 04 2012 14:25 zulu_nation8 wrote:On July 04 2012 13:59 PrinceXizor wrote:On July 04 2012 13:41 Shikyo wrote:On July 04 2012 12:19 Scip wrote:
Damn guys, duoQing with Shykio atm, haven't had this hilarious games in a while. Carrying is so easy but we gain only 4-8 elo each game hahaha. Reccoment everyone who is 2K+ to duoQ with someone at 1300-1500 range. This experiment proves that last pick = support even among 1800 elos, even if you say that you are terrible at support with an average win rate of 22% with support champions, and when you play terribly as support they will report you. It's too bad, the Graves game I went 7-2 and the Poppy top game I went 13-5, both vs 1700-1800s Oh but it's hilarious how angry some people are <_< And also there was some eve main at 1900 elo who beat karthus mid in farm... Eve new karthus counter? Eve can beat anyone in lane except a heavy mixed damage dealer. to do so it takes two rune pages though,, 1 for vs magic 1 for vs physical. She's kind of a bitch to lane against if the eve knows what they are doing. However, eves usefulness drops off considerably if camped if the game makes it past laning phase if the enemy team is intelligent. and unfortunately you only need two of the three. what are you talking about lol Eve building tanky can right click the enemy and win every lane, she's just such a terrible character outside of that ability that it's not worth it. she does have the best attack animation in the game though. Have you ever played Xin? not sure what you are referencing.
Not only has Xin 50 range on Eve, his autoattack animation is also a million times better.
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Lol I did forget about that. (the elo post)
In any case whether or not he's trolling he'll say something people either agree or disagree with, people will then attempt to set him straight and then he can choose to listen or not. Shouldn't really go beyond that.
Although I still support 1v1 grudgematches to solve any and all disagreements.
I SAY SEJUANI IS NEW #1 TOP LANE 1v1 ME BROS
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On July 04 2012 18:03 spinesheath wrote:Show nested quote +On July 04 2012 15:55 PrinceXizor wrote:On July 04 2012 15:54 spinesheath wrote:On July 04 2012 15:49 PrinceXizor wrote:On July 04 2012 14:25 zulu_nation8 wrote:On July 04 2012 13:59 PrinceXizor wrote:On July 04 2012 13:41 Shikyo wrote:On July 04 2012 12:19 Scip wrote:
Damn guys, duoQing with Shykio atm, haven't had this hilarious games in a while. Carrying is so easy but we gain only 4-8 elo each game hahaha. Reccoment everyone who is 2K+ to duoQ with someone at 1300-1500 range. This experiment proves that last pick = support even among 1800 elos, even if you say that you are terrible at support with an average win rate of 22% with support champions, and when you play terribly as support they will report you. It's too bad, the Graves game I went 7-2 and the Poppy top game I went 13-5, both vs 1700-1800s Oh but it's hilarious how angry some people are <_< And also there was some eve main at 1900 elo who beat karthus mid in farm... Eve new karthus counter? Eve can beat anyone in lane except a heavy mixed damage dealer. to do so it takes two rune pages though,, 1 for vs magic 1 for vs physical. She's kind of a bitch to lane against if the eve knows what they are doing. However, eves usefulness drops off considerably if camped if the game makes it past laning phase if the enemy team is intelligent. and unfortunately you only need two of the three. what are you talking about lol Eve building tanky can right click the enemy and win every lane, she's just such a terrible character outside of that ability that it's not worth it. she does have the best attack animation in the game though. Have you ever played Xin? not sure what you are referencing. Not only has Xin 50 range on Eve, his autoattack animation is also a million times better.
Eve's attack animation is far quicker to the damage point than Xin's his just ends right after the damage point anyway. so eve's is better as long as you cancel the animation.
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On July 04 2012 17:57 PrinceXizor wrote:Show nested quote +On July 04 2012 17:50 zulu_nation8 wrote:
when someone has proven himself to be completely wrong in everything he says there's no point debating. exactly why i've given up on you sir. but yeah i;ve stated my elo three times already in the thread when people call me out. but eh. no one pays attention so i'm done trying 1800 support btw though i feel my skill level is about 50-75 above that in terms of ELO as support, my top skill level probably would put me around 1400 ELO. i only really know troll builds + renekton + lee sin for top. Jungler probably similar ELO, i don't do enough to counteract the enemy jungler to be effective enough as a jungler. Only AD carries i play are Ezreal and Draven and i feel i'm decent w/ them but oftentimes i find myself out of position w/ draven because he really just commits to everything he does, and only never with EZ because he escapes easily with his e. and no unfortunately i've never even touched the EU server. so i'd have a lvl 1 account. Show nested quote +On July 04 2012 17:31 Shikyo wrote:
Saint having 10k probably had something to do with his 4 gp10 build. True. lol.
whats your account
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On July 04 2012 18:30 zulu_nation8 wrote:Show nested quote +On July 04 2012 17:57 PrinceXizor wrote:On July 04 2012 17:50 zulu_nation8 wrote:
when someone has proven himself to be completely wrong in everything he says there's no point debating. exactly why i've given up on you sir. but yeah i;ve stated my elo three times already in the thread when people call me out. but eh. no one pays attention so i'm done trying 1800 support btw though i feel my skill level is about 50-75 above that in terms of ELO as support, my top skill level probably would put me around 1400 ELO. i only really know troll builds + renekton + lee sin for top. Jungler probably similar ELO, i don't do enough to counteract the enemy jungler to be effective enough as a jungler. Only AD carries i play are Ezreal and Draven and i feel i'm decent w/ them but oftentimes i find myself out of position w/ draven because he really just commits to everything he does, and only never with EZ because he escapes easily with his e. and no unfortunately i've never even touched the EU server. so i'd have a lvl 1 account. On July 04 2012 17:31 Shikyo wrote:
Saint having 10k probably had something to do with his 4 gp10 build. True. lol. whats your account
Ok Zulu, we get it that you don't like this guy. But at least he backs up his claims and posts a general discussion. Your last 10+ post have been malicius oneliners, either bashing or disregarding peoples oppinions/posts.
It really lowers the quality of this forum, imagine if everyone did it this way.
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On July 04 2012 18:38 Ota Solgryn wrote:Show nested quote +On July 04 2012 18:30 zulu_nation8 wrote:On July 04 2012 17:57 PrinceXizor wrote:On July 04 2012 17:50 zulu_nation8 wrote:
when someone has proven himself to be completely wrong in everything he says there's no point debating. exactly why i've given up on you sir. but yeah i;ve stated my elo three times already in the thread when people call me out. but eh. no one pays attention so i'm done trying 1800 support btw though i feel my skill level is about 50-75 above that in terms of ELO as support, my top skill level probably would put me around 1400 ELO. i only really know troll builds + renekton + lee sin for top. Jungler probably similar ELO, i don't do enough to counteract the enemy jungler to be effective enough as a jungler. Only AD carries i play are Ezreal and Draven and i feel i'm decent w/ them but oftentimes i find myself out of position w/ draven because he really just commits to everything he does, and only never with EZ because he escapes easily with his e. and no unfortunately i've never even touched the EU server. so i'd have a lvl 1 account. On July 04 2012 17:31 Shikyo wrote:
Saint having 10k probably had something to do with his 4 gp10 build. True. lol. whats your account Ok Zulu, we get it that you don't like this guy. But at least he backs up his claims and posts a general discussion. Your last 10+ post have been malicius oneliners, either bashing or disregarding peoples oppinions/posts. It really lowers the quality of this forum, imagine if everyone did it this way.
Yep this is exactly what I've been saying, he adds nothing at all to the discussion, seems to just enjoy fights. Xizor might be correct, or might be wrong. At least he backs what he says up with some of his logic and examples, and as such is in my opinion a much better poster than some super high elo player who only posts oneliner insults.
In other news, 500 more IP and I can make my next 6300 IP investment ^_^ Perhaps I should save them to see if the new champion is any fun, though.
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On July 04 2012 18:41 Shikyo wrote:Show nested quote +On July 04 2012 18:38 Ota Solgryn wrote:On July 04 2012 18:30 zulu_nation8 wrote:On July 04 2012 17:57 PrinceXizor wrote:On July 04 2012 17:50 zulu_nation8 wrote:
when someone has proven himself to be completely wrong in everything he says there's no point debating. exactly why i've given up on you sir. but yeah i;ve stated my elo three times already in the thread when people call me out. but eh. no one pays attention so i'm done trying 1800 support btw though i feel my skill level is about 50-75 above that in terms of ELO as support, my top skill level probably would put me around 1400 ELO. i only really know troll builds + renekton + lee sin for top. Jungler probably similar ELO, i don't do enough to counteract the enemy jungler to be effective enough as a jungler. Only AD carries i play are Ezreal and Draven and i feel i'm decent w/ them but oftentimes i find myself out of position w/ draven because he really just commits to everything he does, and only never with EZ because he escapes easily with his e. and no unfortunately i've never even touched the EU server. so i'd have a lvl 1 account. On July 04 2012 17:31 Shikyo wrote:
Saint having 10k probably had something to do with his 4 gp10 build. True. lol. whats your account Ok Zulu, we get it that you don't like this guy. But at least he backs up his claims and posts a general discussion. Your last 10+ post have been malicius oneliners, either bashing or disregarding peoples oppinions/posts. It really lowers the quality of this forum, imagine if everyone did it this way. Yep this is exactly what I've been saying, he adds nothing at all to the discussion, seems to just enjoy fights. Xizor might be correct, or might be wrong. At least he backs what he says up with some of his logic and examples, and as such is in my opinion a much better poster than some super high elo player who only posts oneliner insults. In other news, 500 more IP and I can make my next 6300 IP investment ^_^ Perhaps I should save them to see if the new champion is any fun, though.
...do you honestly believe that eve will "win against AD/AP dmg only top laners" because she does take half minion damge..?
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