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On June 01 2012 13:30 Cloud9157 wrote:Show nested quote +On June 01 2012 11:37 iCanada wrote:
So...
A buddy of mine started playing Pantheon after seeing me dominate with him. However, he does silly stuff with him that is just... silly.
Case in point, he rushes Trinity force and starts E (EWEWER, R>E>W>Q) because it "does more damage" and spears "waste mana." When I told him that a smart opponent will just run out of HSS so he'll do little to no damage and just pointlessly push the lane during the lane phase he told me that you just need to wait for the W stun every trade. (which uses costs more mana for the same damage as two spears with a longer CD, is much easier to return damage too, and has like zero follow up)
I guess my point is, how does one go about telling their friends they are playing subotimally? Or do you just let them do stupid shit? Show him a vod of someone playing Pantheon with max Q first is all I can think of. Only thing I can think of maxing E for is to clear waves more efficiently. Otherwise I would always want Q first.
Panth E is pretty crappy until you get some AD. The base damage on it isn't all that great, but the scaling on it's amazing.
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Swain isn't any strong. his spells can be dodged and he is useless after his ult is over.
Great changes on Ezreal though, he is always mana hungry.
Expected some nerfs on darius.
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On Draven
Very very fun champion and I only play tanks + some support. Buttload of damage but only if you can catch his Q. However catching his Q means you will be force to be mispositioned and miss AA time.
Interesting champion, urge everybody to try him out if possible. Interested to see DL and Aphromoo playing him.
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Why is Urgot getting nerfed? I didn't think he was that great compared to a lot of others.
Swain changes seem a bit too much. I agree that his spells were kind of not too hard to dodge, but with all those buffs, it'll be close to impossible now.
Everything else seems appropriate, really happy about the Grave nerfs
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On June 01 2012 13:32 bokeevboke wrote:
Swain isn't any strong. his spells can be dodged and he is useless after his ult is over.
Great changes on Ezreal though, he is always mana hungry.
Expected some nerfs on darius.
I don't think that's all the stuff they'll do though. They may also just not know how to nerf Darius without making him crap. His moves are pretty good, but what's wrong is his ult, which is going to be a bitch to decide on. I have no clue if just lowering numbers will solve it.
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Urgot destroys every other ad, even when he's losing.
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On June 01 2012 13:32 bokeevboke wrote:
Swain isn't any strong. his spells can be dodged and he is useless after his ult is over.
Great changes on Ezreal though, he is always mana hungry.
Expected some nerfs on darius.
Swain has one spell that can be dodged lol. Everything else is either single target or his ult which is like "attack fucking everything near me!" He's crazy strong in lane phase against melee champions, probably the closest thing in this game to an 'anti-melee' champion and if you hit someone with EQW you're almost always gonna get full Q off and make it crazy easy to land your W.
No one plays Swain because kids are bad at him and because he fits in as a weird role (very few AP bruisers in LoL). Will be interesting to see if people play him when the new patch hits. Will also be interesting to see if the Ez buffs mean his Pulsefire skin is finally coming out.
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God, <3 Swain buffs.
Already loved playing him top and would destroy so many people that don't know what he does. This is going to boost him up a significant amount in terms of play.
Gonna be the best Swain NA, since I'm like, the only person that plays him lawlz.
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On June 01 2012 13:55 Cloud9157 wrote:
God, <3 Swain buffs.
Already loved playing him top and would destroy so many people that don't know what he does. This is going to boost him up a significant amount in terms of play.
Gonna be the best Swain NA, since I'm like, the only person that plays him lawlz.
I used to main him before they nerfed the shit out of the healing from his ult. Looking forward to picking him up again unless he's permaban.
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On June 01 2012 13:32 bokeevboke wrote:
Swain isn't any strong. his spells can be dodged and he is useless after his ult is over.
Great changes on Ezreal though, he is always mana hungry.
Expected some nerfs on darius.
wut. u can't dodge any of swain's spells except for his nevermove and that's really easy to hit if you chain it after your laser bird. add the increased range and slows on his laser bird and he's gonna be able to bully melees really easily.
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So Jax's empower will now have 78% of its base damage as it did before...
Not sure if will play him top anymore.
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Too bad Riven will still be a pain in the ass to deal with. Bitch don't rely on MS =\
Everyone else should be much easier to harass and keep away from though.
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The real question is, can swain beat shen or kayle top.
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On June 01 2012 14:01 Ryuu314 wrote:Show nested quote +On June 01 2012 13:32 bokeevboke wrote:
Swain isn't any strong. his spells can be dodged and he is useless after his ult is over.
Great changes on Ezreal though, he is always mana hungry.
Expected some nerfs on darius. wut. u can't dodge any of swain's spells except for his nevermove and that's really easy to hit if you chain it after your laser bird. add the increased range and slows on his laser bird and he's gonna be able to bully melees really easily.
He already bullies melees really easily. Now people who are bad at him can bully melees easily.
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Ahri nerfs sound reasonable but Graves Q gets hit AGAIN, Smokescreen time decrease is justified because blocking vision for 5 whole seconds was just way too OP
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I can imagine that Swain beats Shen. Outranges him, and then kites once he pops E+Q on him. Once Swain gets ulti, he can start to fight Shen within melee range easily.
He also counters Shen ult iirc. Snare>ult.
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The real question is, does anyone beat Shen top? (hint: it doesn't matter, he'll still become a split pushing, fight winning monster late game)
Videos of Draven look cool, now that I got an idea of how Spinning Blade works, I like it. Depending on numbers and what not, he might either be really really strong or one of those champions that never gets played because they're basically just neat but don't work (looking at you Ori D: Still love her).
I could see how good players with good positioning can keep up Spinning Blades a lot, then keep W up all times for ridiculous boosts, but all that moving and his short range might hurt him in the end. Will be interesting to see.
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On June 01 2012 12:58 iCanada wrote:
Anyone else ashamed that they are part of the community that looked at Riot's 34% IP boost weekend and bitched that it wasn't good enough compared to all the effort it took to press the like button on facebook?
I mean honestly, we already got a free Skin/Champ for pressing the like button in the first place qq.
Everyone ignored my rant on this earlier, but yes, yes I am ashamed.
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On June 01 2012 14:29 WaveofShadow wrote:Show nested quote +On June 01 2012 12:58 iCanada wrote:
Anyone else ashamed that they are part of the community that looked at Riot's 34% IP boost weekend and bitched that it wasn't good enough compared to all the effort it took to press the like button on facebook?
I mean honestly, we already got a free Skin/Champ for pressing the like button in the first place qq. Everyone ignored my rant on this earlier, but yes, yes I am ashamed.
What TLers did that? I haven't heard anything like that from anyone, and 34% sounds good, especially coupled with an ip boost.
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On June 01 2012 14:04 obesechicken13 wrote:
So Jax's empower will now have 78% of its base damage as it did before...
Not sure if will play him top anymore.
i'm pretty sure you're being sarcastic
but in case you weren't
but that's a cosmetic nerf. jax's main strength comes at 6 when he can auto a creep, auto a creep, hit W and Q and burst the enemy laner for 500 free damage from the WQ and R proc all lining up at the same time, then press E to avoid all damage on his way out or commit with his charged-up AS. yeah, he's gonna be a bit weaker in the auto-W combo pre-6, but it's not going to hurt him significantly at all
it won't really hurt his jungle either
hopefully it'll make people underestimate/stop banning him though
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