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Craton
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
United States17250 Posts
May 10 2012 04:27 GMT
#1981
Getting matched with Hotshot is pretty easy, tbh. He's only 1800s right now lol.
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samthesaluki
Profile Joined November 2010
914 Posts
May 10 2012 04:33 GMT
#1982
On May 10 2012 13:17 Terranasaur wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 10 2012 12:46 samthesaluki wrote:
On May 10 2012 12:42 Simberto wrote:
On May 10 2012 12:13 samthesaluki wrote:
hey guys so i was scared to start solo ranked and after 6 games im 2/4 wins but like every game im our best player and i play jungler thing is i know people say elo hell blah blah and you can get to your actual elo but im finding it hard to do this, like i will gank a lane kill a guy then my guy with like 1 shot health left will stay in lane and try fight the guy again when he respawns, i ping back i write go heal and they just dont, so i know this sound slike a qq and it is a bit but im more so looking for tips.


Play more games. There is an even chance that that guy will be on the enemy team next time. Especially your first games will often be randomly decided by which team gets the better players. Remember, everyone who has not yet found his elo will start in those games, which can be the guy who is just 30 and has only played against bots, or the smurf of the 2.2k player. Try your best to influence your team positively, and to produce a win for your team, but also realistically there are some games where you just couldn't have done anything.

Just try to avoid putting to many games into that drawer, especially as a jungler you can often do a lot of good. Not always, sure. You can give a guy one or two kills, and hope he wins his lane, but what he does with those kills is ultimately his thing. You can shut down the enemy jungler by stealing his stuff, and thus make his ganks less dangerous. You can place wards, and ping if someone comes to gank a lane, or even countergank there if you are near it. This is one of the most important things, many people lack map awareness, and place no wards at all, but react to pings because it makes a sound. So basically, do as much useful stuff as possible, don't forget to farm while doing that, and hopefully your team will not lose all lanes. If you play enough games, statistics will provide bad players equally to both teams, so you just need to try to produce the best result with the players you get, and thus maybe not only win the games where you got better mates, but also those where both sides are equal, and maybe even those where the enemy players are slightly better then yours.

In the case you described, there is probably not a lot you could have done. You got him a kill, and told him that healing might be smart now. Maybe you could have sticked around and/or helped while he pushed his lane to the enemy tower, and hope he will go back after that if he is that stubborn. But this will not happen that often, most people realize that being at 20% hp is probably not good.

Also, very importantly, don't listen to your teammates. A lot of laners will expect you to camp their lane nonstop, and view every second you spend in the jungle actually jungling, or at an other lane as a waste of time and call you horrible for it.


i pretty much do this like out of 7 games only 2 wins 1 game i played awful wont lie deserved loss 1 game lol crashed i started 3 mins late and my jungler fed my lanes like 3 kills, 1 game we was winning by miles 2 guys go around trying to 1 v 5 rest of game we lose 1 game all team negative i managed to carry next game just so bad already described how i tried and game after 2-22 in 13 mins so obv after my placement i will be in bad elo prolly like 800-900 maybe i need to duo only?


You're probably right. You should have won like 50 games in a row until you start getting matched with Saint and Hotshot. None of us have ever gotten shitty teammates throwing games in our placement matches and had to fight our way out of it.

Just play more games and it will equal out eventually and you will end up where you belong. The number by your name means nothing to any of us, or anyone in your real life and isn't even the thing you need to worry about most in this game.

Good luck.



i havent played 50 games also wy would i not aim to play with pros i want to be as good as i can be
Kouda
Profile Blog Joined November 2009
United States2205 Posts
May 10 2012 04:38 GMT
#1983
Destiny and PL queuing again. LOL
beefhamburger
Profile Joined December 2007
United States3962 Posts
May 10 2012 05:07 GMT
#1984
On May 10 2012 13:27 Craton wrote:
Getting matched with Hotshot is pretty easy, tbh. He's only 1800s right now lol.

Wow, did he drop so much today? Yesterday he was ~2100+.
heroyi
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
United States1064 Posts
May 10 2012 05:10 GMT
#1985
I am still not "understanding" varus. To me he doesn't seem like that effective of a carry. His moves have high cd, little escape capabilities and his passive is somewhat weak considering it is hard to proc it right before a teamfight...

As of now, unless I am convinced otherwise, the only time I would ever consider playing him is if it was a random normal. There are so many better champions than him imho (corki, graves, ashe, trist etc...).

Idk maybe I, and many people, have yet to figure it out...
wat wat in my pants
iCanada
Profile Joined August 2010
Canada10660 Posts
May 10 2012 05:14 GMT
#1986
ROFL.

I just laned against a Riven that rushed Frozen mallet followed by madreds bloodrazer.
Navi
Profile Joined November 2009
5286 Posts
May 10 2012 05:16 GMT
#1987
On May 10 2012 13:27 Craton wrote:
Getting matched with Hotshot is pretty easy, tbh. He's only 1800s right now lol.

2100

varus is stronger than a lot of u seem to give credit for lol
Hey! Listen!
PeZuY
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
935 Posts
May 10 2012 05:49 GMT
#1988
On May 10 2012 13:38 Kouda wrote:
Destiny and PL queuing again. LOL


What is so funny in it? :O
Terranasaur
Profile Joined May 2011
United States2085 Posts
May 10 2012 05:52 GMT
#1989
On May 10 2012 14:49 PeZuY wrote:
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On May 10 2012 13:38 Kouda wrote:
Destiny and PL queuing again. LOL


What is so funny in it? :O


The 800 elo gap between their skill levels. And all of the cussing Destiny does. That's funny too.
Decisions Determine Destiny - Terranasaur#1719 D3 #557 SC2 3DS FC: 2423-3623-8068
wussleeQ
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
United States3130 Posts
May 10 2012 05:54 GMT
#1990
On May 10 2012 14:16 Navi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 10 2012 13:27 Craton wrote:
Getting matched with Hotshot is pretty easy, tbh. He's only 1800s right now lol.

2100

varus is stronger than a lot of u seem to give credit for lol

I don't understand it either everyone thinks he's weak. I'm falling in love with him ^_^
BW -> League -> CSGO
BlackPaladin
Profile Joined May 2010
United States9316 Posts
May 10 2012 05:59 GMT
#1991
To me it's kind of funny that PL was the worst player on v8 and still can utterly demolish 1800 players while drunk vs a lane that counter picked him. lol
"Your full potential does not matter if you do not use all 100% of it."
Navi
Profile Joined November 2009
5286 Posts
May 10 2012 06:00 GMT
#1992
On May 10 2012 14:59 BlackPaladin wrote:
To me it's kind of funny that PL was the worst player on v8 and still can utterly demolish 1800 players while drunk vs a lane that counter picked him. lol


competitive team vs 1800
heck a lot of non-competitive teams can crush 1800s lol
Hey! Listen!
Treadmill
Profile Joined July 2010
Canada2833 Posts
May 10 2012 06:01 GMT
#1993
On May 10 2012 14:14 iCanada wrote:
ROFL.

I just laned against a Riven that rushed Frozen mallet followed by madreds bloodrazer.

Pretty sure Riven is top ten for people building stupid items. Up there with Blitz and people who call ad carry role and build malady/nashor's/etc.
BlackPaladin
Profile Joined May 2010
United States9316 Posts
May 10 2012 06:08 GMT
#1994
On May 10 2012 15:00 Navi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 10 2012 14:59 BlackPaladin wrote:
To me it's kind of funny that PL was the worst player on v8 and still can utterly demolish 1800 players while drunk vs a lane that counter picked him. lol


competitive team vs 1800
heck a lot of non-competitive teams can crush 1800s lol

It was destiny who sucks + PL and 3 randoms in solo q vs 1800's cause that's how matchmaking balanced it out. Not a competitive team, just a single competitive team player who was drunk lol.
"Your full potential does not matter if you do not use all 100% of it."
iCanada
Profile Joined August 2010
Canada10660 Posts
May 10 2012 06:10 GMT
#1995
On May 10 2012 15:01 Treadmill wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 10 2012 14:14 iCanada wrote:
ROFL.

I just laned against a Riven that rushed Frozen mallet followed by madreds bloodrazer.

Pretty sure Riven is top ten for people building stupid items. Up there with Blitz and people who call ad carry role and build malady/nashor's/etc.

I dont even understand what going on in the guys head.

I've never looked at Riven and said "Damn, you know what I need? I need to have more attack speed! and... and... I need to do 4% magic damage even though it is uncosteffective and cheaper items give me more damage regardless of my passive and are like twice as good with my Passive! YEAH!"
deskscaress
Profile Joined May 2011
United States399 Posts
May 10 2012 06:11 GMT
#1996
On May 10 2012 13:27 Craton wrote:
Getting matched with Hotshot is pretty easy, tbh. He's only 1800s right now lol.


You perceive numbers really, really strangely
would you ever miss it?
Lmui
Profile Joined November 2010
Canada6213 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-05-10 06:36:46
May 10 2012 06:15 GMT
#1997
My experience laning against varus so far (I don't own varus):

Sivir:

Sivir trades very well against varus after level 4, if you can spellshield the arrow rain and dodge the Q, you will outright crush varus in trades. As with most lanes, sivir's 500 range means that you have to trade efficiently and know when to gtfo. After you auto,q,auto,w,auto, the passive magic damage from varus's blight makes continuing the trade unfavourable unless you can kill him. Use the 50ms bonus you have to run. Skill dependent matchup but I like sivir's laning against varus.

Caitlyn:

Varus has a little better of a poke in his Q than caitlyn does. If you time it correctly, you can e,q into varus and then immediately move to the side. If he fires a q immediately, it goes short, if he charges it, you dodge it a good portion of the time and get a good amount of damage in. Auto-attackwise though, the on-hit damage + blight procs makes taking anything much more than a single free shot an unfavourable trade. Varus will do more damage than caitlyn and has a bit more utility throughout midgame since his ultimate is quite a bit stronger on the utility side. Caitlyn can bully varus in this lane but varus does pretty well.

Kog'maw:

Kogmaw crushes varus stupidly hard from level 6 onwards. If he throws arrows on you, ooze in return, ulti on top of him to punish him if he charges his Q and then activate W and melt him. Varus has 0 escapes so he either eats a huge amount of damage, attempts to trade by walking through a slow that's almost as strong if not stronger than his own at that point in the game (not sure on skilling orders for varus) or flashes. Without a support that can either cc/zone kog away, varus will lose half his health in an instant.. Kog has better poke with his ulti, far, far more damage with W up that doesn't rely on hitting abilities and much greater range. Even from level 4 onwards, the lane's already swinging in favour of kog, I don't see how varus is supposed to win this matchup.
ihasaKAROT
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Netherlands4730 Posts
May 10 2012 06:29 GMT
#1998
Tristana:

Earlygame its farm farm farm, after you hit 6ish you can just punish him with your range or just straight up kill the guy. Varus lacks an escape and cant simply escape your slow so he can either trade (E+R finish) or die tryng to run away.
KCCO!
JackDino
Profile Joined July 2010
Gabon6219 Posts
May 10 2012 06:30 GMT
#1999
On May 10 2012 08:12 Inschato wrote:
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On May 10 2012 07:59 Sabin010 wrote:
To be fair I do get voidstaff as my 5th or 6th item as on-hit kogmaw. malady, witts, madreds, sorcs or attackspeed, voidstaff and then either a ga or that spark thingy to max out the attackspeed.

I really don't see why you'd ever want to go on-hit kog'maw. AD or Full AP (Tear/Dcap/Void -> AA, etc) are both much much better.

This may come as surprise to you and possibly shock you, but some people like to play non-optimal builds that are different because they consider it fun.
On May 10 2012 08:19 Praetorial wrote:
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On May 10 2012 07:42 JackDino wrote:
On May 10 2012 07:18 Treadmill wrote:
On May 10 2012 06:58 Alaric wrote:
And when I hear "But Varus is HUGE lategame"... you mean, when everybody's got MR to reduce the bonus damage from Blight Quiver and the %hp damage from Blight Detonation, but you didn't buy any MPen? Or when in teamfights you won't be able to apply it to everyone before a E?
It's basic stuff, like the "yeah I can't tank nashor with wriggles phage as MF, even with W on, but I saw a Varus do it, Varus OP", sure, but you never think about the context instead, considering the lack of steroids on the one that succeeded? Knee jerk people...

But I saw Varus go 12/0 one game and kill everyone so clearly the character is hugely OP and is gonna do that every single game!

Ignoring the sarcasm, lucky you, every varus in my game is batshit retarded, it's not the champ it's the player lol. It's like he attracts retards or something. My team has varus, carry big or lose. Enemy team has varus, lol free win.


Just like every champion at release, yes. I absolutely hated Hecarim patch b/c people didn't know how to use his E and just ruined ganks every time they tried one.

Lulu was okay.

No I mean, they're actually dumb, like recalling at all the wrong places and not understanding they dont need mana to right click.
This isnt Broodwar so I dont owe anyone respect for beating me. -arb
overt
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States9006 Posts
May 10 2012 06:35 GMT
#2000
scarra about to run mid lane Blitz.

Also, not every champ 'gets played bad' upon release. Lots do, sure. But Vaynes were wrecking people's faces on day 1. So were Ahris. So were Xin Zhaos. Just because a champ doesn't do well in the first week or so doesn't mean they're bad but it's at least a good indication that they usually aren't OP.

I just dunno how well I like Varus' lane phase. Other than that I think he's pretty solid.
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