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Praetorial
United States4241 Posts
On May 10 2012 10:38 turdburgler wrote: ive jungled corkie, its pretty bad but not like, eve bad or anything I don't know why people hate on eve so much. She has some pretty solid ganking potential. Not as much as Twitch, but a lot. And her clear speed is okay. | ||
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Lmui
Canada6215 Posts
On May 10 2012 11:06 Praetorial wrote: I don't know why people hate on eve so much. She has some pretty solid ganking potential. Not as much as Twitch, but a lot. And her clear speed is okay. Regardless of how fed she gets, after about 15 minutes, she begins a precipitous drop that results in her either exploding instantly or dealing no damage in an attempt to live a little longer. She barely scales into midgame, forget lategame. | ||
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Bwaaaa
Australia969 Posts
On May 10 2012 11:06 Praetorial wrote: I don't know why people hate on eve so much. She has some pretty solid ganking potential. Not as much as Twitch, but a lot. And her clear speed is okay. There is your problem. She doesn't have as good ganks as twitch and doesn't scale as much. Twitch is one of the strongest champs late-game while eve falls off incredibly early. | ||
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Ryuu314
United States12679 Posts
On May 10 2012 10:09 turdburgler wrote: play ap sion jungle, its like maokai but so much better. clears faster for less mana, does more damage and is just as tanky. woah wut. Sion definitely uses as much or more mana. Sion's shield has comparable mana cost and damage to Mao's saplings. Sion also doesn't do more damage than Mao until he gets a significant amount of AP (Mao's base numbers are higher). As far as tankyness goes Sion has more HP and MR, but less armor. I like Mao's passive for tankiness better than Sion's since Mao's heal's more in a shorter period of time. Not to mention it's easier to gank with Maokai by virtue of longer range on snare and he can almost perma slow w/out red, whereas Sion has 1.5 second stun and that's about it without red. | ||
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Two_DoWn
United States13684 Posts
I mean, her base stats are just THAT shitty. Her transformation from utter trash to slightly less trash is quite incredible really. | ||
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overt
United States9006 Posts
On May 10 2012 09:48 chalice wrote: i wouldn't jungle with anyone but ad kennen or vayne, nobody else has enough cc to have respectable ganks. it also helps a lot that their kits allow them to be effective with a wriggles+dorans into pd/bc type of build. Jungle Ezreal got used in pro matches in old jungle (granted it was SEA and Chinese pro matches and it probably isn't exactly great either). I'm sure he's probably still fine in new jungle. Other than Twitch I don't think any other jungle could compare to how good he is because of how Q works with wriggle procs and how Q applies red buff. Essentially giving you a 1100 range slow when you have red for ganks. Graves could do a full clear in the jungle at level 1 in the old jungle. Which was something that I don't think any other AD carries could do except maybe Ez. If you go cloth+5pot on jungle Graves you stay at nearly 100% full health during first clear in new jungle. Graves and Ez two best ranged AD carry junglers if you ignore Twitch imo. | ||
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BlackPaladin
United States9316 Posts
Just something funny, my bad friend asked me what role varus is, even though there is a champ spotlight linked in the client, and if you click on his portrait it tells you his "roles." Plus the fact his arm has a giant bow. Obviously he's melee with a giant bow imoimo amiright? | ||
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samthesaluki
914 Posts
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Ryuu314
United States12679 Posts
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bmn
886 Posts
On May 10 2012 12:18 Ryuu314 wrote: I'm confused. How exactly does Eve scale "well"? I can't tell either, I assumed T_D was being sarcastic... I compared her base stats with other characters. They're sub-par, but far from as bad as T_D's post would suggest. Her base stat gains per level are far from overwhelming, and I'm not even sure that this is what people mean when they talk about scaling well into the late game (where gains from itemization is far more important than your per-level base stat gains). | ||
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samthesaluki
914 Posts
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Sufinsil
United States760 Posts
On May 10 2012 12:36 samthesaluki wrote: my team is 2-22 in 13 mins like how can i win these games? You Win some and you Lose some. Do what you can to make any difference. Can't be helped if they drop that hard so early. | ||
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Bladeorade
United States1898 Posts
If you want advice ask a question don't just complain | ||
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samthesaluki
914 Posts
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Simberto
Germany11634 Posts
On May 10 2012 12:13 samthesaluki wrote: hey guys so i was scared to start solo ranked and after 6 games im 2/4 wins but like every game im our best player and i play jungler thing is i know people say elo hell blah blah and you can get to your actual elo but im finding it hard to do this, like i will gank a lane kill a guy then my guy with like 1 shot health left will stay in lane and try fight the guy again when he respawns, i ping back i write go heal and they just dont, so i know this sound slike a qq and it is a bit but im more so looking for tips. Play more games. There is an even chance that that guy will be on the enemy team next time. Especially your first games will often be randomly decided by which team gets the better players. Remember, everyone who has not yet found his elo will start in those games, which can be the guy who is just 30 and has only played against bots, or the smurf of the 2.2k player. Try your best to influence your team positively, and to produce a win for your team, but also realistically there are some games where you just couldn't have done anything. Just try to avoid putting to many games into that drawer, especially as a jungler you can often do a lot of good. Not always, sure. You can give a guy one or two kills, and hope he wins his lane, but what he does with those kills is ultimately his thing. You can shut down the enemy jungler by stealing his stuff, and thus make his ganks less dangerous. You can place wards, and ping if someone comes to gank a lane, or even countergank there if you are near it. This is one of the most important things, many people lack map awareness, and place no wards at all, but react to pings because it makes a sound. So basically, do as much useful stuff as possible, don't forget to farm while doing that, and hopefully your team will not lose all lanes. If you play enough games, statistics will provide bad players equally to both teams, so you just need to try to produce the best result with the players you get, and thus maybe not only win the games where you got better mates, but also those where both sides are equal, and maybe even those where the enemy players are slightly better then yours. In the case you described, there is probably not a lot you could have done. You got him a kill, and told him that healing might be smart now. Maybe you could have sticked around and/or helped while he pushed his lane to the enemy tower, and hope he will go back after that if he is that stubborn. But this will not happen that often, most people realize that being at 20% hp is probably not good. Also, very importantly, don't listen to your teammates. A lot of laners will expect you to camp their lane nonstop, and view every second you spend in the jungle actually jungling, or at an other lane as a waste of time and call you horrible for it. | ||
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samthesaluki
914 Posts
On May 10 2012 12:42 Simberto wrote: Play more games. There is an even chance that that guy will be on the enemy team next time. Especially your first games will often be randomly decided by which team gets the better players. Remember, everyone who has not yet found his elo will start in those games, which can be the guy who is just 30 and has only played against bots, or the smurf of the 2.2k player. Try your best to influence your team positively, and to produce a win for your team, but also realistically there are some games where you just couldn't have done anything. Just try to avoid putting to many games into that drawer, especially as a jungler you can often do a lot of good. Not always, sure. You can give a guy one or two kills, and hope he wins his lane, but what he does with those kills is ultimately his thing. You can shut down the enemy jungler by stealing his stuff, and thus make his ganks less dangerous. You can place wards, and ping if someone comes to gank a lane, or even countergank there if you are near it. This is one of the most important things, many people lack map awareness, and place no wards at all, but react to pings because it makes a sound. So basically, do as much useful stuff as possible, don't forget to farm while doing that, and hopefully your team will not lose all lanes. If you play enough games, statistics will provide bad players equally to both teams, so you just need to try to produce the best result with the players you get, and thus maybe not only win the games where you got better mates, but also those where both sides are equal, and maybe even those where the enemy players are slightly better then yours. In the case you described, there is probably not a lot you could have done. You got him a kill, and told him that healing might be smart now. Maybe you could have sticked around and/or helped while he pushed his lane to the enemy tower, and hope he will go back after that if he is that stubborn. But this will not happen that often, most people realize that being at 20% hp is probably not good. Also, very importantly, don't listen to your teammates. A lot of laners will expect you to camp their lane nonstop, and view every second you spend in the jungle actually jungling, or at an other lane as a waste of time and call you horrible for it. i pretty much do this like out of 7 games only 2 wins 1 game i played awful wont lie deserved loss 1 game lol crashed i started 3 mins late and my jungler fed my lanes like 3 kills, 1 game we was winning by miles 2 guys go around trying to 1 v 5 rest of game we lose 1 game all team negative i managed to carry next game just so bad already described how i tried and game after 2-22 in 13 mins so obv after my placement i will be in bad elo prolly like 800-900 maybe i need to duo only? | ||
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BlackPaladin
United States9316 Posts
On May 10 2012 12:27 bmn wrote: I can't tell either, I assumed T_D was being sarcastic... I compared her base stats with other characters. They're sub-par, but far from as bad as T_D's post would suggest. Her base stat gains per level are far from overwhelming, and I'm not even sure that this is what people mean when they talk about scaling well into the late game (where gains from itemization is far more important than your per-level base stat gains). AD triforce builds make her live literally forever due to her ult's healing effect. Do you not remember playing vs that when she was OP? Like, at all? Where eve literally did not die ever once she got items and she'd be a killing threat to your carries? The only thing that has changed is now her stun is a slow instead, and it's harder for her to snowball cause of the earlygame base stat nerfs + the stun change. | ||
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dnastyx
United States2707 Posts
You haven't even finished placement games and you're worried about this shit? If you aren't winning you aren't carrying hard enough. So you belong at that Elo. Deal with it. | ||
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Ryuu314
United States12679 Posts
On May 10 2012 12:54 BlackPaladin wrote: AD triforce builds make her live literally forever due to her ult's healing effect. Do you not remember playing vs that when she was OP? Like, at all? Where eve literally did not die ever once she got items and she'd be a killing threat to your carries? The only thing that has changed is now her stun is a slow instead, and it's harder for her to snowball cause of the earlygame base stat nerfs + the stun change. They nerfed the crap out of her ult's healing effect. Her base stats are also bad to the point where she will blow up in no time at all if you go for damage (Triforce builds) and she'll do no damage if you build tank. An AD or AP carry can 1v1 Eve with no problem whatsoever. To be completely honest, I don't even think the nerf of her stun into a slow was what killed her viability. It sucked, but she was still semi-viable in certain situations. It was the complete neutering of her stats and ult that made her a fancy melee minion. | ||
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Terranasaur
United States2085 Posts
On May 10 2012 12:46 samthesaluki wrote: i pretty much do this like out of 7 games only 2 wins 1 game i played awful wont lie deserved loss 1 game lol crashed i started 3 mins late and my jungler fed my lanes like 3 kills, 1 game we was winning by miles 2 guys go around trying to 1 v 5 rest of game we lose 1 game all team negative i managed to carry next game just so bad already described how i tried and game after 2-22 in 13 mins so obv after my placement i will be in bad elo prolly like 800-900 maybe i need to duo only? You're probably right. You should have won like 50 games in a row until you start getting matched with Saint and Hotshot. None of us have ever gotten shitty teammates throwing games in our placement matches and had to fight our way out of it. Just play more games and it will equal out eventually and you will end up where you belong. The number by your name means nothing to any of us, or anyone in your real life and isn't even the thing you need to worry about most in this game. Good luck. | ||
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