EPTThen again the guy was a 2.2k elo smurf
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MooMooMugi
United States10531 Posts
Then again the guy was a 2.2k elo smurf | ||
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UniversalSnip
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Praetorial
United States4241 Posts
On May 10 2012 09:00 UniversalSnip wrote: I think I've found my new hobby: randomly running into fakesteve in games and stealing ALL his kills. Fakesteve plays LoL?! | ||
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Lancer723
United States486 Posts
Jungle Ashe OP On May 10 2012 09:00 UniversalSnip wrote: I think I've found my new hobby: randomly running into fakesteve in games and stealing ALL his kills. USnip real TL terror. | ||
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Sabin010
United States1892 Posts
On May 10 2012 08:48 TheYango wrote: People over-value % max HP damage because they think "herpderp I buy attack speed and win". Essentially, % max HP damage is only as good as the equivalent amount of AD (and not even that good because it doesn't scale multiplicatively with crit or crit damage). Kog's W is worth 120 damage vs. a 2k HP target, and 180 damage vs. a 3k HP target. These are good numbers, but don't make onhit/AS suddenly more appealing. The ability to scale with crit and do damage to towers are far more valuable lategame than adding mid-tier items that only scale alongside your onhit damage. Honestly the real value of Kog's W is the range steroid. That component is WAY more important than the % max HP damage. EDIT: also "11% health magic damage with 2.5 attackspeed and tons of mr shred?" is not a fucking argument. Stating the stats that a 6-item build gives is hardly justification for a build. I could just as easily say "IE PD LW. 1k damage crits on anybody with huge attack speed." That's not an argument at all though. It's just a statement. I understand the range steriod on w is what makes kog a ranged carry over an ap carry, but the fact remains none of his moves have ad scaling. Look at how malady and wits scale into mid game. I honestly don't want to throw out arbitrary numbers because a lvl 18 champ with no health items is going to be running around 2k health and guys buying health are going to be around 3k. It really doesn't matter which one you pick. The fact remains the team is going to rely on kog to get the most out of his attacks. The synergy between malady, wits end, and that lvl 5 w can not be ignored. I'm not trying to argue which is better because in some games on-hit will be better, and in other games getting a bf sword item is going to be better. I mean kog can trade kills situationally with the passive, and if your top lane is a kayle, graves, corki, ez all of a sudden black cleaver looks good. | ||
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CeriseCherries
6170 Posts
On May 10 2012 08:52 MooMooMugi wrote: I've lost to MF jungle before, dont underestimate her! Then again the guy was a 2.2k elo smurf gotta build ap jungle mf. then e clears camps so so fast... scales so well omg | ||
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turdburgler
England6749 Posts
well it does say so in his quote. you calling him a liar?!?! | ||
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chalice
United States1945 Posts
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Bladeorade
United States1898 Posts
On May 10 2012 09:48 chalice wrote: i wouldn't jungle with anyone but ad kennen or vayne, nobody else has enough cc to have respectable ganks. it also helps a lot that their kits allow them to be effective with a wriggles+dorans into pd/bc type of build. Kayle is so much better than both of them.. | ||
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turdburgler
England6749 Posts
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TheYango
United States47024 Posts
On May 10 2012 09:26 Sabin010 wrote: I understand the range steriod on w is what makes kog a ranged carry over an ap carry, but the fact remains none of his moves have ad scaling. Look at how malady and wits scale into mid game. I honestly don't want to throw out arbitrary numbers because a lvl 18 champ with no health items is going to be running around 2k health and guys buying health are going to be around 3k. It really doesn't matter which one you pick. The fact remains the team is going to rely on kog to get the most out of his attacks. The synergy between malady, wits end, and that lvl 5 w can not be ignored. I'm not trying to argue which is better because in some games on-hit will be better, and in other games getting a bf sword item is going to be better. I mean kog can trade kills situationally with the passive, and if your top lane is a kayle, graves, corki, ez all of a sudden black cleaver looks good. The main problem I have with AS/on-hit Kog is that while Wit's+Malady is indeed good (A TLer did the math showing that Malady provides vastly superior DPS/gold compared to IE when you get it on Kog), people follow up with Bloodrazor. Bloodrazor is a shit item. The reason to buy AS/onhit items is their better out-of-the-box cost-effectiveness compared to true scaling AD items. Bloodrazor doesn't even have good out-of-the-box cost-effectiveness. Realistically if you have Wit's+Malady, your 2 best follow-up options are probably either Triforce or IE (with the aim to transition back into conventional AD items for lategame, having used the immediate cost-effectiveness of Malady+Wit's to build up enough of a gold advantage to make that transition smoothly). Bloodrazor is just awful. | ||
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57 Corvette
Canada5941 Posts
He just never dies and does soo much damage. | ||
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turdburgler
England6749 Posts
On May 10 2012 09:57 57 Corvette wrote: Oh my god Maokai is so damn strong. Why did I ever try other tank junglers. He just never dies and does soo much damage. play ap sion jungle, its like maokai but so much better. clears faster for less mana, does more damage and is just as tanky. | ||
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Bladeorade
United States1898 Posts
On May 10 2012 09:54 turdburgler wrote: kayle isnt a ranged ad. shes a fighter with a skill that increases auto range some of the time! Kayle is an AD carry. You build her AD carry, and she is an AD that carries. | ||
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Praetorial
United States4241 Posts
On May 10 2012 09:57 57 Corvette wrote: Oh my god Maokai is so damn strong. Why did I ever try other tank junglers. He just never dies and does soo much damage. Not to mention can be built pure AP! + Show Spoiler + lol,jk | ||
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iCanada
Canada10660 Posts
On May 10 2012 09:48 chalice wrote: i wouldn't jungle with anyone but ad kennen or vayne, nobody else has enough cc to have respectable ganks. it also helps a lot that their kits allow them to be effective with a wriggles+dorans into pd/bc type of build. Level 6 Trist has silly strong ganks. W between them and tower and then ult them away from it toward you teammate. What they gonna do? Flash half the distance you ulted them and die anyway? | ||
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Praetorial
United States4241 Posts
On May 10 2012 10:28 iCanada wrote: Level 6 Trist has silly strong ganks. W between them and tower and then ult them away from it toward you teammate. What they gonna do? Flash half the distance you ulted them and die anyway? Level 6 Varus has very good ganks, and Graves has very good spot CC as well for an AD carry. Heck, even Corki could be used what with his gap closer and all, just smite+exhaust and you're all set to go. | ||
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turdburgler
England6749 Posts
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Requizen
United States33802 Posts
On May 10 2012 09:57 57 Corvette wrote: Oh my god Maokai is so damn strong. Why did I ever try other tank junglers. He just never dies and does soo much damage. Don't make me start the Maokai v Naut debate again. | ||
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unichan
United States4223 Posts
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