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Seuss
United States10536 Posts
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overt
United States9006 Posts
On May 10 2012 06:39 Alaric wrote: I'm facepalming obsing a number of people eat a very predictable Q fully charged in front of them (when a smart Varus does it from a bush, 'k, but right on front of you?). I'm sighing reading a guy say "he's doing so much more damage than Corki's burst early game!". Yeah. And next time he talks I'll read "his level 2 burst is so superior to Tristana's!". Corki's burst early isn't that significant anyways. It's his post-6 burst that's scary. I don't think Varus is bad or anything I just dunno how many lanes he has bottom that he can 'win' because his dps is really shitty and I don't think his burst is all that great. Granted, neither of these things prevents Ashe from doing fine in lane but Ashe also has a lot more utility. edit: Varus is still really new. So I'm not trying to make too many judgements on him. I think he's definitely viable. Just first hand experience has been me winning lanes that aren't even close against Varus. Could just be people not used to Varus yet or I could just be laning against people who are bad that I would beat regardless of which AD they pick. | ||
TheYango
United States47024 Posts
On May 10 2012 06:36 NSANE.hydra wrote: Varus is also less mobile and more vulnerable than Vayne, who is already one of the more difficult AD carries to position, meaning forgoing lifesteal makes you that much easier to kill. Vayne is hard to position because she has nothing with >550 range. Varus' autoattack range is 575, and all of his spells have significantly longer range than that. Also note that Varus has 310 base MS, which is more than pretty much every other AD carry. | ||
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Tryndamere
Canada145 Posts
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wussleeQ
United States3130 Posts
+ Show Spoiler + ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/8i1yn.jpg) conveniently left out my 2-7 game but i was tired! anywhoo.... he's pretty dang strong and fighting with someone like leona on his side. once you reach 6 with leona you can engage very often and possibly get a kill. He's actually really good at csing even with his really low base ad because of W and his passive. I like him :D | ||
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Alaric
France45622 Posts
It's basic stuff, like the "yeah I can't tank nashor with wriggles phage as MF, even with W on, but I saw a Varus do it, Varus OP", sure, but you never think about the context instead, considering the lack of steroids on the one that succeeded? Knee jerk people... | ||
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Praetorial
United States4241 Posts
I really feel like playing Yorick right now just to anoint my keyboard in rage. | ||
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Doctorbeat
Netherlands13241 Posts
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jcarlsoniv
United States27922 Posts
On May 10 2012 07:02 Praetorial wrote: I just got my new mechanical keyboard! I really feel like playing Yorick right now just to anoint my keyboard in rage. CLACKITY CLACKITY CLACKITY | ||
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deskscaress
United States399 Posts
On May 10 2012 07:12 Doctorbeat wrote: Btw, has anyone tried Varus jungle yet? Can it work? I'm dying for an ranged AD champion that can jungle decently. I know Snoopeh used to jungle Vayne a bit but that wasn't really comparable to the average jungler. Vayne, Graves, and MF are all "sufficient" junglers in that they can clear somewhat quickly. MF and Vayne even have decent ganks. If you get counterjungled as any of them, you're straight boned. And you can't duel til later (except as MF for the first couple levels). Also, Kayle, lol. | ||
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NSANE.hydra
United States644 Posts
On May 10 2012 06:44 TheYango wrote: Vayne is hard to position because she has nothing with >550 range. Varus' autoattack range is 575, and all of his spells have significantly longer range than that. Also note that Varus has 310 base MS, which is more than pretty much every other AD carry. If he's using only his spells, that's pretty sub-optimal damage. 25 range isn't that big a deal when you consider the only thing he has defensively is a weak slow. Vayne at least has Tumble, Varus has nothing that repositions him/acts an escape. Once he's caught, he's caught. Also note that unlike Rageblade or Nashor's, PD gives movespeed, meaning Vayne would be faster after Zeal. I'm just arguing as to why a traditional AD carry build would be better than a Hybrid/AS build. Context is relevant. | ||
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Treadmill
Canada2833 Posts
On May 10 2012 06:58 Alaric wrote: And when I hear "But Varus is HUGE lategame"... you mean, when everybody's got MR to reduce the bonus damage from Blight Quiver and the %hp damage from Blight Detonation, but you didn't buy any MPen? Or when in teamfights you won't be able to apply it to everyone before a E? It's basic stuff, like the "yeah I can't tank nashor with wriggles phage as MF, even with W on, but I saw a Varus do it, Varus OP", sure, but you never think about the context instead, considering the lack of steroids on the one that succeeded? Knee jerk people... But I saw Varus go 12/0 one game and kill everyone so clearly the character is hugely OP and is gonna do that every single game! | ||
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Praetorial
United States4241 Posts
MX Cherry Blues, so yeah. But so fun for typing! And for dropping ghouls on people's faces all day. | ||
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barbsq
United States5348 Posts
music to my ears | ||
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Alaric
France45622 Posts
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Seuss
United States10536 Posts
On May 10 2012 06:58 Alaric wrote: And when I hear "But Varus is HUGE lategame"... you mean, when everybody's got MR to reduce the bonus damage from Blight Quiver and the %hp damage from Blight Detonation, but you didn't buy any MPen? Or when in teamfights you won't be able to apply it to everyone before a E? It's basic stuff, like the "yeah I can't tank nashor with wriggles phage as MF, even with W on, but I saw a Varus do it, Varus OP", sure, but you never think about the context instead, considering the lack of steroids on the one that succeeded? Knee jerk people... Why wouldn't you buy MPen when you're focusing on magic damage? o.O Or are you talking about AD Varus? | ||
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Alaric
France45622 Posts
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MooMooMugi
United States10531 Posts
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JackDino
Gabon6219 Posts
On May 10 2012 07:18 Treadmill wrote: But I saw Varus go 12/0 one game and kill everyone so clearly the character is hugely OP and is gonna do that every single game! Ignoring the sarcasm, lucky you, every varus in my game is batshit retarded, it's not the champ it's the player lol. It's like he attracts retards or something. My team has varus, carry big or lose. Enemy team has varus, lol free win. | ||
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Seuss
United States10536 Posts
On May 10 2012 07:42 MooMooMugi wrote: Yes lets starting building void staff on any Ranged AD that uses some sort of magic damage in their abilities, makes total sense No one here is suggesting that, unless I missed something from the previous page. | ||
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