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On May 10 2012 02:51 zer0das wrote:
I'm not super impressed by Varus. He has mobility issues but nothing to really make up for it. Kog does super damage, Ashe has an insane ult. Nothing in Varus's kit is really that great except the range on his q, but even that isn't that much better than Kog's ult or Corki's ult (and they're available much more frequently and you don't have to slow yourself to use them). His ult is also probably the worst out of all of the ranged AD ults, and it isn't even that close.
He's not really terrible at any stage of the game, but I always feel like I could be doing more as pretty much any other ranged AD.
i would say it is better then mf's and on par with trist's and ez's.
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client bugged again today? open game and it thinks euw is down for like 30 seconds then when you can log on you cant load the main page at all?
no spectator mode for me it seems
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I'm not exactly enamored with Varus so far either but I see potential, however pointing to his ult as one of the signs of weakness I think is going about it all wrong. The thing I really do like about Varus is his E and the fact that it has AD scaling, it's a great utility for trades with the wounds, and it's good for retreat/preventing retreat and the damage does not fall off as badly as say AD Kog E.
Honestly I think the secret to Varus in lane might be everyone and their brother going Q first, where I think E will prove in the end to be better in lane. It's static mana, does full AoE to creeps if you want to push, slow increases with level, and the damage is only lower than a non charged q if you avoid creep block rank 5 v rank 5
And I know this is kinda a "the worse you are the better it gets" sorta statement, but I've already seen Varus ult prevent 3 tower dives and convert them into single/double kills on day 1.
Editors note: all of my insights come from support, I have not bought Varus yet, still undecided.
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Just jungle'd leona in a co-op ai game, just to try it out.
some thoughts.
1) should have very strong gank potentials.
2) first clear is tough, but do able with strong blue leash, and should have enough health to do round 2 of wraiths and wolves.
3) midgame is a bit mana hungry.
went wrigs->boots->witsend->triforce, pretty typical bruiser stuff..
Her base stats are pretty good, at least compared to most bruisers, she also has insanely strong defensive steroids.
Gunna have to try to see if one could run support leona jungle, like alistar.
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On May 10 2012 03:52 wei2coolman wrote:
Just jungle'd leona in a co-op ai game, just to try it out.
some thoughts.
1) should have very strong gank potentials.
2) first clear is tough, but do able with strong blue leash, and should have enough health to do round 2 of wraiths and wolves.
3) midgame is a bit mana hungry.
went wrigs->boots->witsend->triforce, pretty typical bruiser stuff..
Her base stats are pretty good, at least compared to most bruisers, she also has insanely strong defensive steroids.
Gunna have to try to see if one could run support leona jungle, like alistar.
her jungle is far far far too slow. like...slower than sejuani slow.
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I played a bunch of jungle Leona at the start of s2. It just doesn't quite work out. She doesn't have the clearing power to keep up with fast junglers, and her ganks aren't really THAT op. She provides a lot of cc, yes, but you need someone with extremely high damage in lane to make up for her utter lack of any damage whatsoever. I had moderate success going philo -> HoG -> boots2, and pretty much ganking after every camp. The nice part about her is that she isn't really red reliant to gank, so you can afford to play her like Alistar and just gank like it's the only thing you know how to do. If you have successful ganks, gj, you'll keep up in levels. If you don't... you're SOL because you're never gonna be able to farm your way back into a game with Leona.
Also, my thoughts on Varus after impulse buying him, and having seen him in every game he's not banned - he's terrible. No laning power, his skills don't seem to have a ton of synergy, not a great ranged AD kit. He might be more of a physical caster suited to mid, but even then, meh. It's really counterintuitive to not be able to auto attack while you charge Q and that is likely going to be his downfall.
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On May 10 2012 03:52 wei2coolman wrote:
Just jungle'd leona in a co-op ai game, just to try it out.
some thoughts.
1) should have very strong gank potentials.
2) first clear is tough, but do able with strong blue leash, and should have enough health to do round 2 of wraiths and wolves.
3) midgame is a bit mana hungry.
went wrigs->boots->witsend->triforce, pretty typical bruiser stuff..
Her base stats are pretty good, at least compared to most bruisers, she also has insanely strong defensive steroids.
Gunna have to try to see if one could run support leona jungle, like alistar.
she probably has the worst jungling kit in the game and then requires a skill shot to gank. most junglers trade speed for harder ganks, she brings neither to the table.
why not just play maokai and win games?
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ok have I been pronouncing Rylai's wrong this entire time, or is Hatperson butchering the living daylights out of it?
that's how I say it T_D, hat person = ree-lays
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On May 10 2012 04:03 turdburgler wrote:Show nested quote +On May 10 2012 03:52 wei2coolman wrote:
Just jungle'd leona in a co-op ai game, just to try it out.
some thoughts.
1) should have very strong gank potentials.
2) first clear is tough, but do able with strong blue leash, and should have enough health to do round 2 of wraiths and wolves.
3) midgame is a bit mana hungry.
went wrigs->boots->witsend->triforce, pretty typical bruiser stuff..
Her base stats are pretty good, at least compared to most bruisers, she also has insanely strong defensive steroids.
Gunna have to try to see if one could run support leona jungle, like alistar.
she probably has the worst jungling kit in the game and then requires a skill shot to gank. most junglers trade speed for harder ganks, she brings neither to the table. why not just play maokai and win games?
Her kit is actually pretty good for jungling because of how strong w is. The problem she has is her AS is ass.
And if skill shots meant you sucked in jungle, Lee would be terrible.
And Ive always pronounced it rye-lies
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On May 10 2012 04:11 Two_DoWn wrote:Show nested quote +On May 10 2012 04:03 turdburgler wrote:On May 10 2012 03:52 wei2coolman wrote:
Just jungle'd leona in a co-op ai game, just to try it out.
some thoughts.
1) should have very strong gank potentials.
2) first clear is tough, but do able with strong blue leash, and should have enough health to do round 2 of wraiths and wolves.
3) midgame is a bit mana hungry.
went wrigs->boots->witsend->triforce, pretty typical bruiser stuff..
Her base stats are pretty good, at least compared to most bruisers, she also has insanely strong defensive steroids.
Gunna have to try to see if one could run support leona jungle, like alistar.
she probably has the worst jungling kit in the game and then requires a skill shot to gank. most junglers trade speed for harder ganks, she brings neither to the table. why not just play maokai and win games? Her kit is actually pretty good for jungling because of how strong w is. The problem she has is her AS is ass. And if skill shots meant you sucked in jungle, Lee would be terrible. And Ive always pronounced it rye-lies
skill shots to enable you to gank are a downside, normally traded with high clear speed. leona has neither point and click gap closer / cc and doesnt clear fast either.
if she could proc her own sunlight she might be ok
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She'd be a broken-ass solo laner if she could proc her own sunlight.
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Actually, if Riot just change Leno passive a bit, she might be really good in jungle.
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On May 10 2012 03:15 Slusher wrote:
I'm not exactly enamored with Varus so far either but I see potential, however pointing to his ult as one of the signs of weakness I think is going about it all wrong. The thing I really do like about Varus is his E and the fact that it has AD scaling, it's a great utility for trades with the wounds, and it's good for retreat/preventing retreat and the damage does not fall off as badly as say AD Kog E.
Honestly I think the secret to Varus in lane might be everyone and their brother going Q first, where I think E will prove in the end to be better in lane. It's static mana, does full AoE to creeps if you want to push, slow increases with level, and the damage is only lower than a non charged q if you avoid creep block rank 5 v rank 5
And I know this is kinda a "the worse you are the better it gets" sorta statement, but I've already seen Varus ult prevent 3 tower dives and convert them into single/double kills on day 1.
Editors note: all of my insights come from support, I have not bought Varus yet, still undecided.
alex ich maxed E first when he played ad varus mid yesterday, looking at the skill it seems like a no brainer when you're improving the damage, the cooldown, and the slow with no increase in mana cost.
also the crystal scepter guy is obviously from brazil and the correct pronounciation is jailai's
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Unless the commentators are trolling me (wasn't watching), there just was a Varus pick for the second match.
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On May 10 2012 04:24 spinesheath wrote:Unless the commentators are trolling me (wasn't watching), there just was a Varus pick for the second match.
No Varus, repick incoming cos Ocelete dc while in champ select.
EDIT: Repick, still Varus. So it is Varus for 2nd game.
AD Kennen for CC. This game is over already. I hate AD Kennen with a passion.
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Turns out SK was trolling you I'm surprised this is allowed, they should have stopped it then instead of playing out the draft.
as stated above, he was picked again, I REALLY don't like them showing the casters on camera as opposed to the select screen.
I agree with below 100%, online tournament, don't. trust. anyone.
I hate when casters refuse to criticize picks. they've basically explained why ad kennen and lane noct are god mode over while waiting out the delay.
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I cant help but call foul on whats happing in the IPL qualifiers. Saying someone dced after another 4? picks are done since the suppose dc and changing your mid sounds really fishy to me.
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On May 10 2012 04:29 Gorsameth wrote:
I cant help but call foul on whats happing in the IPL qualifiers. Saying someone dced after another 4? picks are done since the suppose dc and changing your mid sounds really fishy to me.
Yep, You cant let people change champ with a reason like this. I mean if someone on your team dc, you just tell the other team what that person is gonna pick and just let the pick/ban finish than start another game.
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