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On May 10 2012 15:08 BlackPaladin wrote: It was destiny who sucks + PL and 3 randoms in solo q vs 1800's cause that's how matchmaking balanced it out. Not a competitive team, just a single competitive team player who was drunk lol. u know what i meant lol | ||
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NeedsmoreCELLTECH
Netherlands1242 Posts
On May 10 2012 12:41 samthesaluki wrote: i did ask a question You can ask questions in a derogatory, crying kind of why. Why are my teammates always so bad? Is your mother a dirty whore? Who's your daddy? Have you sir, ever owned a negro? Technically these are questions, but they are so loaded that classifying them as just 'questions' is stupid. They are much more, and should be treated as such. This subforum is awesome, please don't try and be a smart-ass for the sake of crying on the internet. | ||
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BlackPaladin
United States9316 Posts
That the players in this game are bad and their excuse is they're in elo hell? | ||
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Gahlo
United States35162 Posts
On May 10 2012 15:55 BlackPaladin wrote: That the players in this game are bad and their excuse is they're in elo hell? I have a theory that the community is in an elo hell of sorts. Everybody thinks everybody else in the community sucks so they are just assholes to other people without realizing they are being dicks at times. | ||
TheYango
United States47024 Posts
On May 10 2012 15:35 overt wrote: Also, not every champ 'gets played bad' upon release. Lots do, sure. But Vaynes were wrecking people's faces on day 1. So were Ahris. So were Xin Zhaos. Just because a champ doesn't do well in the first week or so doesn't mean they're bad but it's at least a good indication that they usually aren't OP. It's not an indication of anything. Orianna, Lee Sin, Irelia, etc. There are just as many champs that turned out to be OP that weren't played well at release as there are that were. How well people play him at release has neither strong positive nor negative correlation in this regard. | ||
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overt
United States9006 Posts
On May 10 2012 16:16 Gahlo wrote: I have a theory that the community is in an elo hell of sorts. Everybody thinks everybody else in the community sucks so they are just assholes to other people without realizing they are being dicks at times. So basically the same as every video game community. idk man, people were doing really well as Ori within the first week. Granted it's only been two days for Varus but it's not like people thought she was bad on day one. Irelia is about the only example I can think of where virtually no one played her for so long. | ||
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ihasaKAROT
Netherlands4730 Posts
Someone who is worse then you : Noob Someone who is better then you : No life Elo hell right there if you look at it that way. | ||
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TheYango
United States47024 Posts
On May 10 2012 16:22 overt wrote: idk man, people were doing really well as Ori within the first week. Granted it's only been two days for Varus but it's not like people thought she was bad on day one. Irelia is about the only example I can think of where virtually no one played her for so long. Brand? Rumble? Shyvana? You also kind of ignored my mention of Lee. | ||
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deskscaress
United States399 Posts
On May 10 2012 16:28 TheYango wrote: Brand? Rumble? Shyvana? You also kind of ignored my mention of Lee. to be fair, wasn't lee really UP on release? like didn't he not see play til he got some serious damage buffs? i could be remembering incorrectly but i swear he wasn't "good" til his double damage E was found, or he got buffed, idr which happened first | ||
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spinesheath
Germany8679 Posts
On May 10 2012 16:46 deskscaress wrote: to be fair, wasn't lee really UP on release? like didn't he not see play til he got some serious damage buffs? i could be remembering incorrectly but i swear he wasn't "good" til his double damage E was found, or he got buffed, idr which happened first If I read that correctly, he got a couple of scaling buffs, but base damage nerfs at the same time. Nothing really major, except for the +50 range on safeguard I guess. Then he kept getting small nerfs. I don't think he's stronger than at release now, and he definitely still is a good champ. | ||
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overt
United States9006 Posts
On May 10 2012 16:28 TheYango wrote: Brand? Rumble? Shyvana? You also kind of ignored my mention of Lee. I don't remember how much Lee got played. I didn't play much LoL for the two weeks he came out. Rumble was considered op in EU pretty soon after release wasn't he? I know in NA he wasn't and in a lot of ways still isn't (can't name too many NA pros who can play Rumble). I don't think Brand was ever OP and got over-nerfed. As for Shyv, I said lots of times that she was really good right after release and I don't think she was OP at any point either. Varus probably not OP, doesn't mean he's bad though. Irelia is literally the only example I can think of in LoL of a champ that no one played for a really long time but that was completely OP. I'd agree that it doesn't mean much if a champ isn't viewed as being really strong on release, but I think that usually they aren't completely broken. I think the jury is still out on Varus. I also think the discussion is kind of pointless, obviously we can't know exactly how strong a champion is during the first few days of release. Most of my comments about Varus is that his dps is pretty meh compared to other ADs and that's just sheer numbers and the fact that his steroid isn't that great on top of my experiences laning against him. I don't feel like his laning is all that great and I think there are lots of ADs who have better dps than him. Doesn't mean he's bad, cause he also has an AoE slow, long range poke, and a snare. But I could be proven wrong on both of those points, maybe there's some super secret build where he eeks out more dps than a lot of other ADs. Or maybe his laning is really fantastic and it's an issue of people doing a bad skill order. | ||
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BlueBird.
United States3889 Posts
sure when you picked her in solo que first week, people complained and were like scrub ori no damage.. and then you wrecked the game.. and it quickly died down. I don't think she's a prime example of "being op but not realizing it" | ||
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Sponkz
Denmark4564 Posts
EDIT: In my opinion a champion is overpowered, when there's no counter-picks for the champion, no way to turn the lane into a farm-fest and no way to make a gank happen, unless you dive. | ||
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wussleeQ
United States3130 Posts
On May 10 2012 16:50 spinesheath wrote: If I read that correctly, he got a couple of scaling buffs, but base damage nerfs at the same time. Nothing really major, except for the +50 range on safeguard I guess. Then he kept getting small nerfs. I don't think he's stronger than at release now, and he definitely still is a good champ. He got super buffed in a hotfix. 10 energy per hit on passive went to 15, Q ratio went from 80% to 100%, E went from 60% to 100%, Ulti went from 150% to 200%... fuck. Those are crazy numbers... No wonder I enjoyed him so much back then lol. | ||
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JackDino
Gabon6219 Posts
On May 10 2012 17:54 Sponkz wrote: There's no champion in this game who's OP, no matter what. Certainly there's champions who had to be fixed, because it was hard to make a counter-pick (orianna's long range, udyr/ww/irelias incredible sustain), but overall no champion has even be situated, where as if you picked that certain champion it was a guaranteed win because that champion could 1v5 at all stages of the game. EDIT: In my opinion a champion is overpowered, when there's no counter-picks for the champion, no way to turn the lane into a farm-fest and no way to make a gank happen, unless you dive. Jungle twitch, not even pinky wards help against that shit On May 10 2012 18:19 wussleeQ wrote: He got super buffed in a hotfix. 10 energy per hit on passive went to 15, Q ratio went from 80% to 100%, E went from 60% to 100%, Ulti went from 150% to 200%... fuck. Those are crazy numbers... No wonder I enjoyed him so much back then lol. It's not as much the numbers but his entire kit that makes him an asshole. | ||
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ihasaKAROT
Netherlands4730 Posts
On May 10 2012 17:54 Sponkz wrote: There's no champion in this game who's OP, no matter what. Certainly there's champions who had to be fixed, because it was hard to make a counter-pick (orianna's long range, udyr/ww/irelias incredible sustain), but overall no champion has even be situated, where as if you picked that certain champion it was a guaranteed win because that champion could 1v5 at all stages of the game. EDIT: In my opinion a champion is overpowered, when there's no counter-picks for the champion, no way to turn the lane into a farm-fest and no way to make a gank happen, unless you dive. Added to that, it shouldnt matter if you play the lane of the champion mainly, how high your ELO is or how much you play, you should be able to dominate with that champion no matter what. | ||
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BlueBird.
United States3889 Posts
On May 10 2012 17:54 Sponkz wrote: There's no champion in this game who's OP, no matter what. Certainly there's champions who had to be fixed, because it was hard to make a counter-pick (orianna's long range, udyr/ww/irelias incredible sustain), but overall no champion has even be situated, where as if you picked that certain champion it was a guaranteed win because that champion could 1v5 at all stages of the game. EDIT: In my opinion a champion is overpowered, when there's no counter-picks for the champion, no way to turn the lane into a farm-fest and no way to make a gank happen, unless you dive. that's more or less your opinion of overpowered though isn't it, if other people's definitions are extremely strong compared to other champions in the pool, must ban or first pick this champion, then actually quite a lot of champs fall into the overpowered category, and need to be fixed/nerfed. Take Xin for example, on release he was insane. I remember 1v4ing a team as Xin on release, he felt ridiculous. Now.. if you were really bad, or if you got ganked in the jungle or at lane several times, and the other team played correctly, Xin could be shut down.. which is what your saying... It's hard to find that coordination in solo que however... at least in the 1500-1600 where ive been hovering at. That's why I ban Shaco/Ali jungle, teams just don't ward early vs these guys or overextend etc , I do it too.. it's solo que How about we make a hero that has an ability that makes them completely dominate the other team no matter what in team fight, like kayle ult + morgana black shield for 15 second duration. His laning phase is also extremely strong, he can 1v2 vs anyone his abilities are sick. However, he is weak too 3 people in laning phase. If you send 3 to his lane all game, you will beat him, and he will be useless. One of these heroes has to be evelynn, since he takes 400% extra damage from eve as his passive. Now, he can be counter picked/shut down, as we have stated, so is he not balanced according to you? Certainly you can't call him OP. I agree OP is used a lot, but Orianna at release and Xin, were 100% op in my eyes, to say we cant use it ever is just silly. | ||
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De4ngus
United States6533 Posts
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Alaric
France45622 Posts
On May 10 2012 10:44 Requizen wrote: Don't make me start the Maokai v Naut debate again. Nautilus casually strolls into the enemy team then starts bashing heads in with a hand-wielded anchor, Maokai baits a flash to W in the middle of all five from half a screen away then keeps pounding on the dude he trapped for his team to engage on anyway. Both are awesome. | ||
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Slayer91
Ireland23335 Posts
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