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Treadmill
Canada2833 Posts
On April 25 2012 10:18 Seuss wrote: TL too pro. Ban arguments over definition of "tank", argue definition of a "tank-cc-caster-jungler". Actually the AP character with the bet kit for Jungling is Amumu. Eh, Fiddlesticks has a really good kit for jungling. Just not for jungling in this jungle. | ||
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TwoToneTerran
United States8841 Posts
Part of the reason ap casters in the jungle is awful is because you need a lot of fucking items to make ap scaling really strong and jungling gives shit for money. It's why you don't see any ranged ad junglers do too well outside of the odd choices, which is comparable to stuff like heimer/karthus. Tankiness is cost effective and can work off limited jungle farm so tanky sustain champs rule the jungle. It's purely a matter of cost efficiency in the items. | ||
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Bladeorade
United States1898 Posts
On April 25 2012 10:09 gtrsrs wrote: wow that's massively rude and not really fair... we aren't playing all our starters and they are like 2100-2500 elo players lol I thought you had a lot of good plays. That first couple minutes were pretty bad but after that it got a lot better. Just that early sloppiness screwed you over. And Treebeard was playing really bad :/ | ||
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cLutZ
United States19574 Posts
On April 25 2012 10:38 TwoToneTerran wrote: You guys have never had a full ap mumu combo blown on you. Part of the reason ap casters in the jungle is awful is because you need a lot of fucking items to make ap scaling really strong and jungling gives shit for money. It's why you don't see any ranged ad junglers do too well outside of the odd choices, which is comparable to stuff like heimer/karthus. Tankiness is cost effective and can work off limited jungle farm so tanky sustain champs rule the jungle. It's purely a matter of cost efficiency in the items. No reason that there can't be a tank sustain caster. Expecially when we have so many irrelevant AP Carry Mids that are just inferior versions of other champs. | ||
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Two_DoWn
United States13684 Posts
On April 25 2012 10:18 Seuss wrote: TL too pro. Ban arguments over definition of "tank", argue definition of a "tank-cc-caster-jungler". Actually the AP character with the bet kit for Jungling is Amumu. I was talking about full Ap CASTER. Not just a character who likes ap. | ||
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gtrsrs
United States9109 Posts
On April 25 2012 10:42 Bladeorade wrote: I thought you had a lot of good plays. That first couple minutes were pretty bad but after that it got a lot better. Just that early sloppiness screwed you over. And Treebeard was playing really bad :/ i think so too, we made some critical mistakes early like me donating my double buff to trist who just got a kill but we came back really hard. it just wasn't quite enough. not bad for how good they are though | ||
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wei2coolman
United States60033 Posts
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beefhamburger
United States3962 Posts
http://clgaming.net/live/1057-state-of-the-league Also new late game AP item in testing on PBE ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/o1yuz.jpg) I can already see this being core on Anivia and Swain and maybe even Galio. Unholy Grail + abyssal = amazing | ||
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jadoth
694 Posts
On April 25 2012 10:45 Two_DoWn wrote: I was talking about full Ap CASTER. Not just a character who likes ap. What makes amumu not a caster and morde or karma a caster? | ||
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barbsq
United States5348 Posts
On April 25 2012 10:45 Two_DoWn wrote: I was talking about full Ap CASTER. Not just a character who likes ap. afaik treeeskimo, among a few other people, both plays and advocates AP mumu | ||
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UniversalSnip
9871 Posts
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nyxnyxnyx
Indonesia2978 Posts
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Glaceau
Wales333 Posts
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Yttrasil
Sweden651 Posts
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HazMat
United States17077 Posts
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Kaneh
Canada737 Posts
so complaining that casters aren't viable in the jungle is kinda silly. it's AP carrys that aren't viable, not because they can't do it, but because they are so much better off in lane. Just like how you can jungle cait or vayne, but they're so much better off getting real farm in lane. | ||
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nyxnyxnyx
Indonesia2978 Posts
On April 25 2012 11:28 Yttrasil wrote: What annoys me as rumble is that there is no item which has ap and armor which makes sense vs bruisers in the laning phase. Absolutely nothing, now there are two vs AP with mr which makes sense. And now even better items for characters like ww top and I have no response. ninja tabi -> wota WHAT UP BRUISERS also dolan shields | ||
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Seiuchi
United States931 Posts
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Two_DoWn
United States13684 Posts
On April 25 2012 11:21 jadoth wrote: What makes amumu not a caster and morde or karma a caster? Its just a playstyle thing to me. I dont care what you build as much as how you play. Its why I consider Mummy tanky dps and not a caster, just cuz his skills dont really feel castery. Like if you consider mummy a caster, then you need to consider Sej a caster too. I definitly think getting ap on ammumu is good. But that doesnt really make him a caster in the same way that getting a frozen heart on ryze makes him tanky dps. I mean, they can have qualities of another class, but they play a certain way. | ||
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UniversalSnip
9871 Posts
On April 25 2012 11:33 Seiuchi wrote: I don't know why they keep making items that build out of Fiendish Codex when the existence of blue buff makes them suboptimal. A chalice upgrade is a really good idea, but adding it onto a bunch of really inefficient stats isn't going to make it desirable. I think it would be pretty reasonable to take the cdr off blue buff. It would still be really valuable. If your hero doesn't have mana, tough shit. | ||
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