[Patch 1.0.0.138: Hecarim] General Discussion - Page 13

On April 18 2012 20:26 ihasaKAROT wrote:
Two years ago? Werent you banning TF and Yi back then?

When I started it was Orianna, Shaco, Kassadin and GP that were banned, early July 2011

Shaco forever banned

On April 19 2012 05:20 Parnage wrote:
You guys are really being far too harsh and silly about this whole thing. Saying things like champions have not been original sense X release is really silly. Like this whole topic is relying that hecarim is a bad champion because it's the first day of his existence to the playerbase as a whole. You guys are going abit out thar to be honest need to take a step back and look at this objectively even if you feel he's bad jumping to conclusions that he must be terrible after playing one or two games and that champion design isn't what it used to be is hilarious considering the champions before him included a guy who throws an anchor about, a polymorphing giant growing yordle and an armored bear that tosses people into things.

Stop over reacting -_-;

On April 19 2012 05:20 Parnage wrote:
You guys are really being far too harsh and silly about this whole thing. Saying things like champions have not been original sense X release is really silly. Like this whole topic is relying that hecarim is a bad champion because it's the first day of his existence to the playerbase as a whole. You guys are going abit out thar to be honest need to take a step back and look at this objectively even if you feel he's bad jumping to conclusions that he must be terrible after playing one or two games and that champion design isn't what it used to be is hilarious considering the champions before him included a guy who throws an anchor about, a polymorphing giant growing yordle and an armored bear that tosses people into things.

Stop over reacting -_-;

On April 19 2012 05:18 wei2coolman wrote:
Riot keeps making champions fit the current meta (or w.e they want the meta to be), but that's not what a company should be doing. Rather they should make champions, regardless of current play style, and have the PEOPLE figure out the meta.

On April 19 2012 05:25 Eiii wrote:
Thing is, we don't know what happens if Riot releases a character that's just a huge flop financially. Does that actually hurt them at all? They seem to have more money than just about anyone at the moment, would a 'silly' champion that doesn't look super-viable at the outset every few releases be possible?

...would releasing a champion that doesn't look *competitively* viable but who does have a fun or interesting-looking kit actually decrease the number of people who'd buy it? If not, then are the champions being released actually all being forced into having a 'viable' kit for business reasons or is it a problem with the design team itself?

...questions and unknowns aside, I agree entirely with the sentiment that Riot just isn't experimenting enough with their newest champion designs.

EDIT: Now that I think about it, Lulu and Nat are pretty unique and have kits that seem more centered around their theme than their viability. Confirmation bias ahoy!

On April 19 2012 05:27 Unentschieden wrote:


What exactly is the difference between not fitting the meta and being underpowered?

On April 19 2012 05:20 Parnage wrote:
You guys are really being far too harsh and silly about this whole thing. Saying things like champions have not been original sense X release is really silly. Like this whole topic is relying that hecarim is a bad champion because it's the first day of his existence to the playerbase as a whole. You guys are going abit out thar to be honest need to take a step back and look at this objectively even if you feel he's bad jumping to conclusions that he must be terrible after playing one or two games and that champion design isn't what it used to be is hilarious considering the champions before him included a guy who throws an anchor about, a polymorphing giant growing yordle and an armored bear that tosses people into things.

Stop over reacting -_-;

On April 19 2012 05:20 Parnage wrote:
Stop over reacting -_-;

On April 19 2012 05:31 -Zoda- wrote:

No.

The fact is that Riot is quite newbie-friendly oriented. Make a new champ, explain clearly how he works, what to build then the players will just buy him and play immediately, without thinking about what to do. Like instant fun providing. That the Riot marketing strategy and well... it works.

On April 19 2012 05:30 Two_DoWn wrote:

And I think the gist of the feeling that we have is that even with the cool concepts of the champs, if you get rid of the lore, you end up with a fairly bland feeling champion based on kit alone.

For example, Nautilus, the awesome anchor dude, has ONE spell that actually uses his anchor. One. Hell, imagine how much more flavorful he could be if his e involved whirling his anchor around instead of whatever those little spikes are. And if we get rid of his w (which is completely contrived as a means to let him jungle and be a "tank" (whatever riot thinks that is)) we could, say, give him an ability where he sticks his anchor in the ground, freezing him in place (which is what a freaking anchor IS) while he grabs an enemy and holds them in place. And the enemy team could hit naut to free the anchor and have their teammate released sooner. Or locks him in place but gives him a tremdous ammount of damage reduction (ie anchoring through a storm). Then, since you arent using his w as a damage spell, you can shift his damage to his anchor twirl e and anchor stab q and have him ACTUALLY be a fucking awesome dude who hits people with an anchor.

On April 19 2012 05:31 Eiii wrote:
Whether or not the player base is right, though, will a champion that *appears* powerful sell more than one that seems fun?

On April 19 2012 05:35 ManyCookies wrote:


But he is a dude who hits people with an anchor. He's fucking awesome as is.

A better example would be Shyvana. She just doesn't feel... dragony, I guess? Her central transformation doesn't feel epic, just a few minor-moderate effects on her spells and some resists.

On April 19 2012 05:35 ManyCookies wrote:


But he is a fucking awesome dude who hits people with an anchor. He's fucking awesome as is.

A better example would be Shyvana. She just doesn't feel... dragony, I guess? Her central transformation doesn't feel epic, just a few minor-moderate effects on her spells and some resists.

On April 19 2012 05:09 Numy wrote:


I'm not really talking about how accurate they are, merely the concept behind having such a thing. They looking at their game in the now and designing stuff specifically for that instead of allowing room for development to happen. Who knows what LoL might look like in a years time compared to now. You can't limit design in such a way as they are.