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On March 23 2012 02:43 Mogwai wrote:I disagree with a lot of this chart. Especially regarding Galio, sweet jesus he has a low opinion of Galio.
I think you are reading the chart wrong. I think the win/lose in the box is referring to the champ on the top rather than the left.
Reading some of the footnotes at the bottom suggests this.
Edit: For instance, in the Jarvan(left) vs Singed(top), the box says Win, and the footnote says "Gunblade to win lane..."
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On March 23 2012 02:29 Mogwai wrote:Show nested quote +On March 23 2012 02:11 Sandster wrote:
SV jungling hitler mumu now.
Game almost over - he has gp5, boots, frozen heart, rylai, abyssal I approve of that build, it's roughly what I used to go for when I jungled mummy.
i never found rylai to be good on mumu, the slow just seems realy weak to me on him. why do you like it?
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On March 23 2012 02:56 Mogwai wrote:Show nested quote +On March 23 2012 02:48 TwoToneTerran wrote:On March 23 2012 02:38 Sabin010 wrote:https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/lv?pli=1&key=0Aj3YD8Rl_kDNdDZfM0k1M1pBa3U1MjRkOTVFekNVWHc&toomany=true#gid=0I just saw this spread sheet on Reddit. It's a chart of Wickd's top lane match ups. Aparently Vlad, Cass, Trundle, and Pantheon are the guys you need to pick to shut Yorik down. The chart isn't finished, as I'm sure there is at least one more counter for Yorick. On March 23 2012 02:37 Inschato wrote:
Support poppy might not win any serious games, but damn if she's not super fun. Especially with Vayne. Its like a Blitz support lane. One positional error and you're dead. Wtf. Yorick is the hardest hard counter to ever hard counter pantheon. There's absolutely nothing panth can do in that lane. that's definitely not true. I'll play vs. Yorick 10x in a row before playing against Malphite just once. But it's really stupid to say Pantheon counters Yorick while saying Irelia counters Pantheon in the same chart. writing a matchup chart for top is stupid anyway, no one has even close to enough experience in all those different matchups to talk. Even with thousands of games, I'll bet Wickd has played 75+% of those matchups 0-2 times, which is far too few to draw a conclusion about the outcome of them.
They both horridly counter pantheon in lane. Tell me one thing panth can do to Yorick? It's the same situation as malphite, you just lose to a guy who spams his skills at you and is immune to your spear harass. Yorick has the added benefit of autobreaking Pantheon's shields with his skill, as well, while Malphite just kites him forevah.
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On March 23 2012 03:00 NotTheMonker wrote:Show nested quote +On March 23 2012 02:43 Mogwai wrote:I disagree with a lot of this chart. Especially regarding Galio, sweet jesus he has a low opinion of Galio. I think you are reading the chart wrong. I think the win/lose in the box is referring to the champ on the top rather than the left. Reading some of the footnotes at the bottom suggests this.
Well his note on Vlad vs Yorrick suggests it, but then he says to start cloth+5 as Panth vs Morde and to play safe early on... the chart seems wildly inconsistent in that regard.
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On March 23 2012 03:03 TwoToneTerran wrote:Show nested quote +On March 23 2012 02:56 Mogwai wrote:On March 23 2012 02:48 TwoToneTerran wrote:On March 23 2012 02:38 Sabin010 wrote:https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/lv?pli=1&key=0Aj3YD8Rl_kDNdDZfM0k1M1pBa3U1MjRkOTVFekNVWHc&toomany=true#gid=0I just saw this spread sheet on Reddit. It's a chart of Wickd's top lane match ups. Aparently Vlad, Cass, Trundle, and Pantheon are the guys you need to pick to shut Yorik down. The chart isn't finished, as I'm sure there is at least one more counter for Yorick. On March 23 2012 02:37 Inschato wrote:
Support poppy might not win any serious games, but damn if she's not super fun. Especially with Vayne. Its like a Blitz support lane. One positional error and you're dead. Wtf. Yorick is the hardest hard counter to ever hard counter pantheon. There's absolutely nothing panth can do in that lane. that's definitely not true. I'll play vs. Yorick 10x in a row before playing against Malphite just once. But it's really stupid to say Pantheon counters Yorick while saying Irelia counters Pantheon in the same chart. writing a matchup chart for top is stupid anyway, no one has even close to enough experience in all those different matchups to talk. Even with thousands of games, I'll bet Wickd has played 75+% of those matchups 0-2 times, which is far too few to draw a conclusion about the outcome of them. They both horridly counter pantheon in lane. Tell me one thing panth can do to Yorick? It's the same situation as malphite, you just lose to a guy who spams his skills at you and is immune to your spear harass. Yorick has the added benefit of autobreaking Pantheon's shields with his skill, as well, while Malphite just kites him forevah.
You be talkin to the wrong person.
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On March 23 2012 03:00 NotTheMonker wrote:Show nested quote +On March 23 2012 02:43 Mogwai wrote:I disagree with a lot of this chart. Especially regarding Galio, sweet jesus he has a low opinion of Galio. I think you are reading the chart wrong. I think the win/lose in the box is referring to the champ on the top rather than the left. Reading some of the footnotes at the bottom suggests this.
I disagree because reading the footnotes for Trynd vs. Galio says bear > ult. the footnotes are largely garbage.
On March 23 2012 03:01 jadoth wrote:Show nested quote +On March 23 2012 02:29 Mogwai wrote:On March 23 2012 02:11 Sandster wrote:
SV jungling hitler mumu now.
Game almost over - he has gp5, boots, frozen heart, rylai, abyssal I approve of that build, it's roughly what I used to go for when I jungled mummy. i never found rylai to be good on mumu, the slow just seems realy weak to me on him. why do you like it?
you just leave your W on and run next to people. I dunno, just makes you strong at peeling/chasing after your ult's down and is the best giant's belt item on him.
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On March 23 2012 03:00 NotTheMonker wrote:Show nested quote +On March 23 2012 02:43 Mogwai wrote:I disagree with a lot of this chart. Especially regarding Galio, sweet jesus he has a low opinion of Galio. I think you are reading the chart wrong. I think the win/lose in the box is referring to the champ on the top rather than the left. Reading some of the footnotes at the bottom suggests this. Edit: For instance, in the Jarvan(left) vs Singed(top), the box says Win, and the footnote says "Gunblade to win lane..."
Gunblade Singed ofc :o
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On March 23 2012 00:57 Chill wrote:Show nested quote +On March 22 2012 22:47 ihasaKAROT wrote:
Doublelift is too predictable
HSGG keeps getting caught
Jiji doenst ward properly and counterpressure
Chauster and SV are the only ones that really seem to know what they are doing wrong
edit: doublelift saying hes not playing ashe today cus he doenst care? thats some nice dedication to practise... why are they in a teamhouse again? ... I don't get proteams. I don't know if they're just lazy or putting on an act on stream. It seems like they'd rather put in 16 hours of shitty practice than 4 hours of real practice. I feel like CLG and TSM legitimately need a babysitter / coach that has the final say, tells them what to do, and settles their dumb arguments.
Or just get rid of Regi, I think he's the main source of alot of their problems(constant stupid mistakes + bad decisions)
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On March 23 2012 03:06 JackDino wrote:Show nested quote +On March 23 2012 03:03 TwoToneTerran wrote:On March 23 2012 02:56 Mogwai wrote:On March 23 2012 02:48 TwoToneTerran wrote:On March 23 2012 02:38 Sabin010 wrote:https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/lv?pli=1&key=0Aj3YD8Rl_kDNdDZfM0k1M1pBa3U1MjRkOTVFekNVWHc&toomany=true#gid=0I just saw this spread sheet on Reddit. It's a chart of Wickd's top lane match ups. Aparently Vlad, Cass, Trundle, and Pantheon are the guys you need to pick to shut Yorik down. The chart isn't finished, as I'm sure there is at least one more counter for Yorick. On March 23 2012 02:37 Inschato wrote:
Support poppy might not win any serious games, but damn if she's not super fun. Especially with Vayne. Its like a Blitz support lane. One positional error and you're dead. Wtf. Yorick is the hardest hard counter to ever hard counter pantheon. There's absolutely nothing panth can do in that lane. that's definitely not true. I'll play vs. Yorick 10x in a row before playing against Malphite just once. But it's really stupid to say Pantheon counters Yorick while saying Irelia counters Pantheon in the same chart. writing a matchup chart for top is stupid anyway, no one has even close to enough experience in all those different matchups to talk. Even with thousands of games, I'll bet Wickd has played 75+% of those matchups 0-2 times, which is far too few to draw a conclusion about the outcome of them. They both horridly counter pantheon in lane. Tell me one thing panth can do to Yorick? It's the same situation as malphite, you just lose to a guy who spams his skills at you and is immune to your spear harass. Yorick has the added benefit of autobreaking Pantheon's shields with his skill, as well, while Malphite just kites him forevah. You be talkin to the wrong person.
I know who Mogwai is. I am not wrong for saying Yorick utterly trashes Pantheon. If Malphite is his #1 counter, then Yorick is 1b.
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I find the lack of Deathcap in your mummy builds deeply disturbing...
This post may or may not be serious.
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On March 23 2012 03:01 jadoth wrote:Show nested quote +On March 23 2012 02:29 Mogwai wrote:On March 23 2012 02:11 Sandster wrote:
SV jungling hitler mumu now.
Game almost over - he has gp5, boots, frozen heart, rylai, abyssal I approve of that build, it's roughly what I used to go for when I jungled mummy. i never found rylai to be good on mumu, the slow just seems realy weak to me on him. why do you like it?
mumu has very low base health, and of all the health items rylai is the only one that gives utility and damage. Warmog is somewhat meh on him, since it costs a ton and doesn't give you anything other than health, and the other hp items that you get (shurelia, hog/randuins, aegis) are situational.
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Actually, I give up on deciphering this chart. In GP vs. Trynd, the footnote says "Garen has strong early game."
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On March 23 2012 03:08 arb wrote:Show nested quote +On March 23 2012 00:57 Chill wrote:On March 22 2012 22:47 ihasaKAROT wrote:
Doublelift is too predictable
HSGG keeps getting caught
Jiji doenst ward properly and counterpressure
Chauster and SV are the only ones that really seem to know what they are doing wrong
edit: doublelift saying hes not playing ashe today cus he doenst care? thats some nice dedication to practise... why are they in a teamhouse again? ... I don't get proteams. I don't know if they're just lazy or putting on an act on stream. It seems like they'd rather put in 16 hours of shitty practice than 4 hours of real practice. I feel like CLG and TSM legitimately need a babysitter / coach that has the final say, tells them what to do, and settles their dumb arguments. Or just get rid of Regi, I think he's the main source of alot of their problems(constant stupid mistakes + bad decisions)
Eh it's been said in this thread before but TSM now has a coach.
http://ggchronicle.com/team-solomid-acquires-new-coach/
It's apparently a third Dinh. The coach/bro will address things like the infighting and other things like diet and sleep schedules. So yeah they hired a bro to be a mom, and he looks like the youngest bro from the video/stream shots he has been in.
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On March 23 2012 03:08 arb wrote:Show nested quote +On March 23 2012 00:57 Chill wrote:On March 22 2012 22:47 ihasaKAROT wrote:
Doublelift is too predictable
HSGG keeps getting caught
Jiji doenst ward properly and counterpressure
Chauster and SV are the only ones that really seem to know what they are doing wrong
edit: doublelift saying hes not playing ashe today cus he doenst care? thats some nice dedication to practise... why are they in a teamhouse again? ... I don't get proteams. I don't know if they're just lazy or putting on an act on stream. It seems like they'd rather put in 16 hours of shitty practice than 4 hours of real practice. I feel like CLG and TSM legitimately need a babysitter / coach that has the final say, tells them what to do, and settles their dumb arguments. Or just get rid of Regi, I think he's the main source of alot of their problems(constant stupid mistakes + bad decisions)
Regi just needs to read The Art of War a few times, and you'll see him hoisting a trophy on the main stage again real soon.
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Yeah, better learn through trial and error.  By the way, did someone try Irelia since the patch? How does the nerf impact her sustain? The two I've seen faced Yorrick and both got utterly destroyed, tho in one case the Yorrick player proved vastly superior to anyone else in both teams and carried the game.
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On March 23 2012 03:09 TwoToneTerran wrote:Show nested quote +On March 23 2012 03:06 JackDino wrote:On March 23 2012 03:03 TwoToneTerran wrote:On March 23 2012 02:56 Mogwai wrote:On March 23 2012 02:48 TwoToneTerran wrote:On March 23 2012 02:38 Sabin010 wrote:https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/lv?pli=1&key=0Aj3YD8Rl_kDNdDZfM0k1M1pBa3U1MjRkOTVFekNVWHc&toomany=true#gid=0I just saw this spread sheet on Reddit. It's a chart of Wickd's top lane match ups. Aparently Vlad, Cass, Trundle, and Pantheon are the guys you need to pick to shut Yorik down. The chart isn't finished, as I'm sure there is at least one more counter for Yorick. On March 23 2012 02:37 Inschato wrote:
Support poppy might not win any serious games, but damn if she's not super fun. Especially with Vayne. Its like a Blitz support lane. One positional error and you're dead. Wtf. Yorick is the hardest hard counter to ever hard counter pantheon. There's absolutely nothing panth can do in that lane. that's definitely not true. I'll play vs. Yorick 10x in a row before playing against Malphite just once. But it's really stupid to say Pantheon counters Yorick while saying Irelia counters Pantheon in the same chart. writing a matchup chart for top is stupid anyway, no one has even close to enough experience in all those different matchups to talk. Even with thousands of games, I'll bet Wickd has played 75+% of those matchups 0-2 times, which is far too few to draw a conclusion about the outcome of them. They both horridly counter pantheon in lane. Tell me one thing panth can do to Yorick? It's the same situation as malphite, you just lose to a guy who spams his skills at you and is immune to your spear harass. Yorick has the added benefit of autobreaking Pantheon's shields with his skill, as well, while Malphite just kites him forevah. You be talkin to the wrong person. I know who Mogwai is. I am not wrong for saying Yorick utterly trashes Pantheon. If Malphite is his #1 counter, then Yorick is 1b.
You kinda are though. I've trashed Yorick players by exploiting Pantheon's early advantage vs. him. Pantheon trades favorable vs. Yorick for a decently long time in lane. Malphite, on the other hand... let's just say I've lost lane to 1300 Malphites in tourney games. It's just not a winnable matchup, you really have no point in time where you can exploit an advantage vs. Malphite. They are vastly different matchups in terms of difficulty.
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Do you think Vicktor will start seeing play in the top lane? I've been playing him as an AP mid going qeqeerewe getting death augment. Q allows you to trade favorably early, and the amount of range and damage on that lazer thing at lvl 9 can allow you to zone the enemy off xp, but there is the issue of his mana sustain. I think he has to potential to win lane vs some bruisers.
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On March 23 2012 02:47 cascades wrote:
Whenever I jungle some shit like naut, my clears feel so slow and I feel like I'm too low to gank and late to boot. Halpz with non speedy junglers pls. =/
A lot of junglers will be slow/unsafe if you don't have a specially tailored rune/mastery setup for them. Naut, for example, is night and day different with a full armor rune page.
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On March 23 2012 03:29 Sabin010 wrote:
Do you think Vicktor will start seeing play in the top lane? I've been playing him as an AP mid going qeqeerewe getting death augment. Q allows you to trade favorably early, and the amount of range and damage on that lazer thing at lvl 9 can allow you to zone the enemy off xp, but there is the issue of his mana sustain. I think he has to potential to win lane vs some bruisers.
Probably not. Looking at his kit, it looks like he would have trouble with the gap closers you see in top lane.
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On March 23 2012 03:32 Mogwai wrote:Show nested quote +On March 23 2012 03:29 Sabin010 wrote:
Do you think Vicktor will start seeing play in the top lane? I've been playing him as an AP mid going qeqeerewe getting death augment. Q allows you to trade favorably early, and the amount of range and damage on that lazer thing at lvl 9 can allow you to zone the enemy off xp, but there is the issue of his mana sustain. I think he has to potential to win lane vs some bruisers. Probably not. Looking at his kit, it looks like he would have trouble with the gap closers you see in top lane.
Isn't his slow/stun field extremely good when you get jumped? oOo
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