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CeriseCherries
Profile Blog Joined May 2011
6170 Posts
March 21 2012 21:43 GMT
#681
lol regi is actually to stronk right now -_-
Remember, no matter where you go, there you are.
Gorsameth
Profile Joined April 2010
Netherlands21963 Posts
March 21 2012 21:46 GMT
#682
On March 22 2012 06:36 nojitosunrise wrote:
LoL and MLG status update



Why would a company like MLG post things like that on twitter...
Its a lot easier for Riot to deal with talks like that not working out then MLG getting peoples head into thinking LoL will come only to see it fall through.
Meanwhile it adds nothing to the negotiation table.
It ignores such insignificant forces as time, entropy, and death
De4ngus
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
United States6533 Posts
March 21 2012 21:47 GMT
#683
On March 22 2012 06:36 Frolossus wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 22 2012 06:24 Seuss wrote:
On March 22 2012 06:17 Frolossus wrote:
On March 22 2012 06:14 Seuss wrote:
On March 22 2012 06:05 jadoth wrote:
On March 22 2012 05:59 Seuss wrote:
On March 22 2012 05:35 Juicyfruit wrote:
Meh, according to that article Regi sleeps like 2 hours a day and has been doing that. I don't buy that he sleeps THAT little, but him being sleep deprived does explain a few things.


2 hours of sleep a night is beyond sleep deprived, it's downright unhealthy. For reference, anything less than 7-8 hours affects cognitive ability, and it stacks as you continue to fall short. The less sleep you get the faster your mental acuity drops. If you're only getting 6 hours of sleep a night, after two weeks your ability to think is at the same level as someone who has been awake for 24 hours straight.

SEE: http://www.nytimes.com/2011/04/17/magazine/mag-17Sleep-t.html

Also, I don't get enough sleep. D:


and some who hasnt slept for 24 hours is retarded. sometime i cant fall asleep and i will stay up all night and by like 6 pm the next day i might as well have downed half a handle of vodka i feel so dumb.

also does any one else think it is funny that clg shares beds.


That's sort of the point of the comparison. Think about how tired, unproductive, and ineffectual you are after you haven't slept for 24 hours. Next, realize you'll be like that all the time if you only get 6 hours of sleep every night.

I'm speaking from experience, but sleep deprivation quickly reaches a point not unlike the Dunning-Kruger effect whereby you're so tired you no longer can properly assess how tired you actually are.

6 hours is honestly a fair amount, currently at my school the average amount of sleep for students is between 2-6 hours. it doesn't really affect our academic performance too much


Subjective anecdote versus rigorous study. Why, exactly, should I take your word over that of the heads of the Sleep and Chronobiology Laboratory at the Hospital at University of Pennsylvania and the Sleep and Performance Research Center at Washington State University? Why is your loosely explained situation more accurate than published papers and studies?

its quite possible to function on less hours of sleep if you break up the time you sleep into a couple of times each day.
look up biphasic or polyphasic sleep

this shit doesnt work. i have friends whove tried it, even for a long time but it fucks you up. one ended up sick for a really long time. living off average 2-6 hours of sleep is not possible.
GANDHISAUCE
TheKefka
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
Croatia11752 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-03-21 21:50:14
March 21 2012 21:49 GMT
#684
On March 22 2012 06:47 De4ngus wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 22 2012 06:36 Frolossus wrote:
On March 22 2012 06:24 Seuss wrote:
On March 22 2012 06:17 Frolossus wrote:
On March 22 2012 06:14 Seuss wrote:
On March 22 2012 06:05 jadoth wrote:
On March 22 2012 05:59 Seuss wrote:
On March 22 2012 05:35 Juicyfruit wrote:
Meh, according to that article Regi sleeps like 2 hours a day and has been doing that. I don't buy that he sleeps THAT little, but him being sleep deprived does explain a few things.


2 hours of sleep a night is beyond sleep deprived, it's downright unhealthy. For reference, anything less than 7-8 hours affects cognitive ability, and it stacks as you continue to fall short. The less sleep you get the faster your mental acuity drops. If you're only getting 6 hours of sleep a night, after two weeks your ability to think is at the same level as someone who has been awake for 24 hours straight.

SEE: http://www.nytimes.com/2011/04/17/magazine/mag-17Sleep-t.html

Also, I don't get enough sleep. D:


and some who hasnt slept for 24 hours is retarded. sometime i cant fall asleep and i will stay up all night and by like 6 pm the next day i might as well have downed half a handle of vodka i feel so dumb.

also does any one else think it is funny that clg shares beds.


That's sort of the point of the comparison. Think about how tired, unproductive, and ineffectual you are after you haven't slept for 24 hours. Next, realize you'll be like that all the time if you only get 6 hours of sleep every night.

I'm speaking from experience, but sleep deprivation quickly reaches a point not unlike the Dunning-Kruger effect whereby you're so tired you no longer can properly assess how tired you actually are.

6 hours is honestly a fair amount, currently at my school the average amount of sleep for students is between 2-6 hours. it doesn't really affect our academic performance too much


Subjective anecdote versus rigorous study. Why, exactly, should I take your word over that of the heads of the Sleep and Chronobiology Laboratory at the Hospital at University of Pennsylvania and the Sleep and Performance Research Center at Washington State University? Why is your loosely explained situation more accurate than published papers and studies?

its quite possible to function on less hours of sleep if you break up the time you sleep into a couple of times each day.
look up biphasic or polyphasic sleep

this shit doesnt work. i have friends whove tried it, even for a long time but it fucks you up. one ended up sick for a really long time. living off average 2-6 hours of sleep is not possible.


Its possible to live like that but you become a zombie with the attention span and cognitive abilities of a watermelon.
Cackle™
-Zoda-
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
France3578 Posts
March 21 2012 21:52 GMT
#685
On March 22 2012 06:47 De4ngus wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 22 2012 06:36 Frolossus wrote:
On March 22 2012 06:24 Seuss wrote:
On March 22 2012 06:17 Frolossus wrote:
On March 22 2012 06:14 Seuss wrote:
On March 22 2012 06:05 jadoth wrote:
On March 22 2012 05:59 Seuss wrote:
On March 22 2012 05:35 Juicyfruit wrote:
Meh, according to that article Regi sleeps like 2 hours a day and has been doing that. I don't buy that he sleeps THAT little, but him being sleep deprived does explain a few things.


2 hours of sleep a night is beyond sleep deprived, it's downright unhealthy. For reference, anything less than 7-8 hours affects cognitive ability, and it stacks as you continue to fall short. The less sleep you get the faster your mental acuity drops. If you're only getting 6 hours of sleep a night, after two weeks your ability to think is at the same level as someone who has been awake for 24 hours straight.

SEE: http://www.nytimes.com/2011/04/17/magazine/mag-17Sleep-t.html

Also, I don't get enough sleep. D:


and some who hasnt slept for 24 hours is retarded. sometime i cant fall asleep and i will stay up all night and by like 6 pm the next day i might as well have downed half a handle of vodka i feel so dumb.

also does any one else think it is funny that clg shares beds.


That's sort of the point of the comparison. Think about how tired, unproductive, and ineffectual you are after you haven't slept for 24 hours. Next, realize you'll be like that all the time if you only get 6 hours of sleep every night.

I'm speaking from experience, but sleep deprivation quickly reaches a point not unlike the Dunning-Kruger effect whereby you're so tired you no longer can properly assess how tired you actually are.

6 hours is honestly a fair amount, currently at my school the average amount of sleep for students is between 2-6 hours. it doesn't really affect our academic performance too much


Subjective anecdote versus rigorous study. Why, exactly, should I take your word over that of the heads of the Sleep and Chronobiology Laboratory at the Hospital at University of Pennsylvania and the Sleep and Performance Research Center at Washington State University? Why is your loosely explained situation more accurate than published papers and studies?

its quite possible to function on less hours of sleep if you break up the time you sleep into a couple of times each day.
look up biphasic or polyphasic sleep

this shit doesnt work. i have friends whove tried it, even for a long time but it fucks you up. one ended up sick for a really long time. living off average 2-6 hours of sleep is not possible.

I think if you don't sleep enough your immune system gets weaker. My sister is sick very often and I think this is linked.
♪ 最初はi つなぐdo それ つまりlife 常に移動 ♪ - IGN: Uhryks
Parnage
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
United States7414 Posts
March 21 2012 21:54 GMT
#686
MLG most likely doesn't need League on it's circuit but they most assuredly want it to be on the circuit. It's too good of a popular esport at this time to not have it. It'd be giving away too much potential revenue so I'd consider the tweet just a issue of "don't panic lol fans we are working on it" it brings nothing to the table but it doesn't have to it let's folks know that they do in fact care about having League.

MLG will most likely cave to Riot because in the end it should be the smart choice for them. Having a hugely popular game would help them greatly so they'll be very open and eager to make a deal in the end. It'd be stupid not to.
-orb- Fan. Live the Nal_rA dream. || Yordles are cool.
Node
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States2159 Posts
March 21 2012 21:56 GMT
#687
On March 22 2012 06:52 -Zoda- wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 22 2012 06:47 De4ngus wrote:
On March 22 2012 06:36 Frolossus wrote:
On March 22 2012 06:24 Seuss wrote:
On March 22 2012 06:17 Frolossus wrote:
On March 22 2012 06:14 Seuss wrote:
On March 22 2012 06:05 jadoth wrote:
On March 22 2012 05:59 Seuss wrote:
On March 22 2012 05:35 Juicyfruit wrote:
Meh, according to that article Regi sleeps like 2 hours a day and has been doing that. I don't buy that he sleeps THAT little, but him being sleep deprived does explain a few things.


2 hours of sleep a night is beyond sleep deprived, it's downright unhealthy. For reference, anything less than 7-8 hours affects cognitive ability, and it stacks as you continue to fall short. The less sleep you get the faster your mental acuity drops. If you're only getting 6 hours of sleep a night, after two weeks your ability to think is at the same level as someone who has been awake for 24 hours straight.

SEE: http://www.nytimes.com/2011/04/17/magazine/mag-17Sleep-t.html

Also, I don't get enough sleep. D:


and some who hasnt slept for 24 hours is retarded. sometime i cant fall asleep and i will stay up all night and by like 6 pm the next day i might as well have downed half a handle of vodka i feel so dumb.

also does any one else think it is funny that clg shares beds.


That's sort of the point of the comparison. Think about how tired, unproductive, and ineffectual you are after you haven't slept for 24 hours. Next, realize you'll be like that all the time if you only get 6 hours of sleep every night.

I'm speaking from experience, but sleep deprivation quickly reaches a point not unlike the Dunning-Kruger effect whereby you're so tired you no longer can properly assess how tired you actually are.

6 hours is honestly a fair amount, currently at my school the average amount of sleep for students is between 2-6 hours. it doesn't really affect our academic performance too much


Subjective anecdote versus rigorous study. Why, exactly, should I take your word over that of the heads of the Sleep and Chronobiology Laboratory at the Hospital at University of Pennsylvania and the Sleep and Performance Research Center at Washington State University? Why is your loosely explained situation more accurate than published papers and studies?

its quite possible to function on less hours of sleep if you break up the time you sleep into a couple of times each day.
look up biphasic or polyphasic sleep

this shit doesnt work. i have friends whove tried it, even for a long time but it fucks you up. one ended up sick for a really long time. living off average 2-6 hours of sleep is not possible.

I think if you don't sleep enough your immune system gets weaker. My sister is sick very often and I think this is linked.


I don't have the article handy but I've read that lack of sleep has been linked to depression, especially in teens. In hindsight, this explains a lot.
whole lies with a half smile
Two_DoWn
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States13684 Posts
March 21 2012 22:06 GMT
#688
On March 22 2012 06:54 Parnage wrote:
MLG most likely doesn't need League on it's circuit but they most assuredly want it to be on the circuit. It's too good of a popular esport at this time to not have it. It'd be giving away too much potential revenue so I'd consider the tweet just a issue of "don't panic lol fans we are working on it" it brings nothing to the table but it doesn't have to it let's folks know that they do in fact care about having League.

MLG will most likely cave to Riot because in the end it should be the smart choice for them. Having a hugely popular game would help them greatly so they'll be very open and eager to make a deal in the end. It'd be stupid not to.

I think MLG needs LoL WAY more than LoL needs MLG at this point, which is why I would be amazed if Riot allowed MLG to run a PPV event with LoL.
"What is the air speed velocity of an unladen courier?" "Dire or Radiant?"
Frolossus
Profile Joined February 2010
United States4779 Posts
March 21 2012 22:07 GMT
#689
On March 22 2012 07:06 Two_DoWn wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 22 2012 06:54 Parnage wrote:
MLG most likely doesn't need League on it's circuit but they most assuredly want it to be on the circuit. It's too good of a popular esport at this time to not have it. It'd be giving away too much potential revenue so I'd consider the tweet just a issue of "don't panic lol fans we are working on it" it brings nothing to the table but it doesn't have to it let's folks know that they do in fact care about having League.

MLG will most likely cave to Riot because in the end it should be the smart choice for them. Having a hugely popular game would help them greatly so they'll be very open and eager to make a deal in the end. It'd be stupid not to.

I think MLG needs LoL WAY more than LoL needs MLG at this point, which is why I would be amazed if Riot allowed MLG to run a PPV event with LoL.

with the number of viewers LoL gets right now it would be straight up stupid for MLG to not include them
cLutZ
Profile Joined November 2010
United States19574 Posts
March 21 2012 22:11 GMT
#690
On March 22 2012 07:06 Two_DoWn wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 22 2012 06:54 Parnage wrote:
MLG most likely doesn't need League on it's circuit but they most assuredly want it to be on the circuit. It's too good of a popular esport at this time to not have it. It'd be giving away too much potential revenue so I'd consider the tweet just a issue of "don't panic lol fans we are working on it" it brings nothing to the table but it doesn't have to it let's folks know that they do in fact care about having League.

MLG will most likely cave to Riot because in the end it should be the smart choice for them. Having a hugely popular game would help them greatly so they'll be very open and eager to make a deal in the end. It'd be stupid not to.

I think MLG needs LoL WAY more than LoL needs MLG at this point, which is why I would be amazed if Riot allowed MLG to run a PPV event with LoL.



Why not? Riot could just take $XX% of revenues with no downside risk.
Freeeeeeedom
Seuss
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States10536 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-03-21 22:14:34
March 21 2012 22:12 GMT
#691
On March 22 2012 06:36 Frolossus wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 22 2012 06:24 Seuss wrote:
On March 22 2012 06:17 Frolossus wrote:
On March 22 2012 06:14 Seuss wrote:
On March 22 2012 06:05 jadoth wrote:
On March 22 2012 05:59 Seuss wrote:
On March 22 2012 05:35 Juicyfruit wrote:
Meh, according to that article Regi sleeps like 2 hours a day and has been doing that. I don't buy that he sleeps THAT little, but him being sleep deprived does explain a few things.


2 hours of sleep a night is beyond sleep deprived, it's downright unhealthy. For reference, anything less than 7-8 hours affects cognitive ability, and it stacks as you continue to fall short. The less sleep you get the faster your mental acuity drops. If you're only getting 6 hours of sleep a night, after two weeks your ability to think is at the same level as someone who has been awake for 24 hours straight.

SEE: http://www.nytimes.com/2011/04/17/magazine/mag-17Sleep-t.html

Also, I don't get enough sleep. D:


and some who hasnt slept for 24 hours is retarded. sometime i cant fall asleep and i will stay up all night and by like 6 pm the next day i might as well have downed half a handle of vodka i feel so dumb.

also does any one else think it is funny that clg shares beds.


That's sort of the point of the comparison. Think about how tired, unproductive, and ineffectual you are after you haven't slept for 24 hours. Next, realize you'll be like that all the time if you only get 6 hours of sleep every night.

I'm speaking from experience, but sleep deprivation quickly reaches a point not unlike the Dunning-Kruger effect whereby you're so tired you no longer can properly assess how tired you actually are.

6 hours is honestly a fair amount, currently at my school the average amount of sleep for students is between 2-6 hours. it doesn't really affect our academic performance too much


Subjective anecdote versus rigorous study. Why, exactly, should I take your word over that of the heads of the Sleep and Chronobiology Laboratory at the Hospital at University of Pennsylvania and the Sleep and Performance Research Center at Washington State University? Why is your loosely explained situation more accurate than published papers and studies?

its quite possible to function on less hours of sleep if you break up the time you sleep into a couple of times each day.
look up biphasic or polyphasic sleep


If you know of any studies that would be helpful, my quick search found a number of websites which made claims but didn't directly source anything concrete. Until I see an actual study I'm not convinced it's more than a fad.

More importantly, biphasic/polyphasic sleep was not what was described. The critical component, carefully and precisely timed naps, was not mentioned at all. I find it extremely unlikely that the group of students in the anecdote are universtally blessed with diligence, accommodating class schedules, and understanding peers. It's not impossible, but until disputed I'm holding to the assumption that these students are closer to Mountain Dew chugging, all-nighter pulling Comp Sci majors than hyper-disciplined valedictorian candidates.

On March 22 2012 07:11 cLutZ wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 22 2012 07:06 Two_DoWn wrote:
On March 22 2012 06:54 Parnage wrote:
MLG most likely doesn't need League on it's circuit but they most assuredly want it to be on the circuit. It's too good of a popular esport at this time to not have it. It'd be giving away too much potential revenue so I'd consider the tweet just a issue of "don't panic lol fans we are working on it" it brings nothing to the table but it doesn't have to it let's folks know that they do in fact care about having League.

MLG will most likely cave to Riot because in the end it should be the smart choice for them. Having a hugely popular game would help them greatly so they'll be very open and eager to make a deal in the end. It'd be stupid not to.

I think MLG needs LoL WAY more than LoL needs MLG at this point, which is why I would be amazed if Riot allowed MLG to run a PPV event with LoL.



Why not? Riot could just take $XX% of revenues with no downside risk.


There are huge risks and downsides. Such a move would directly erode community goodwill, and consequently stunt the development of LoL as an eSport.
"I am not able to carry all this people alone, for they are too heavy for me." -Moses (Numbers 11:14)
cLutZ
Profile Joined November 2010
United States19574 Posts
March 21 2012 22:17 GMT
#692
On March 22 2012 07:12 Seuss wrote:

There are huge risks and downsides. Such a move would directly erode community goodwill, and consequently stunt the development of LoL as an eSport.


Really how? Its basically like the NFL making up a 3rd place game and airing it PPV the Saturday before the Super Bowl.
Freeeeeeedom
Frolossus
Profile Joined February 2010
United States4779 Posts
March 21 2012 22:20 GMT
#693
On March 22 2012 07:12 Seuss wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 22 2012 06:36 Frolossus wrote:
On March 22 2012 06:24 Seuss wrote:
On March 22 2012 06:17 Frolossus wrote:
On March 22 2012 06:14 Seuss wrote:
On March 22 2012 06:05 jadoth wrote:
On March 22 2012 05:59 Seuss wrote:
On March 22 2012 05:35 Juicyfruit wrote:
Meh, according to that article Regi sleeps like 2 hours a day and has been doing that. I don't buy that he sleeps THAT little, but him being sleep deprived does explain a few things.


2 hours of sleep a night is beyond sleep deprived, it's downright unhealthy. For reference, anything less than 7-8 hours affects cognitive ability, and it stacks as you continue to fall short. The less sleep you get the faster your mental acuity drops. If you're only getting 6 hours of sleep a night, after two weeks your ability to think is at the same level as someone who has been awake for 24 hours straight.

SEE: http://www.nytimes.com/2011/04/17/magazine/mag-17Sleep-t.html

Also, I don't get enough sleep. D:


and some who hasnt slept for 24 hours is retarded. sometime i cant fall asleep and i will stay up all night and by like 6 pm the next day i might as well have downed half a handle of vodka i feel so dumb.

also does any one else think it is funny that clg shares beds.


That's sort of the point of the comparison. Think about how tired, unproductive, and ineffectual you are after you haven't slept for 24 hours. Next, realize you'll be like that all the time if you only get 6 hours of sleep every night.

I'm speaking from experience, but sleep deprivation quickly reaches a point not unlike the Dunning-Kruger effect whereby you're so tired you no longer can properly assess how tired you actually are.

6 hours is honestly a fair amount, currently at my school the average amount of sleep for students is between 2-6 hours. it doesn't really affect our academic performance too much


Subjective anecdote versus rigorous study. Why, exactly, should I take your word over that of the heads of the Sleep and Chronobiology Laboratory at the Hospital at University of Pennsylvania and the Sleep and Performance Research Center at Washington State University? Why is your loosely explained situation more accurate than published papers and studies?

its quite possible to function on less hours of sleep if you break up the time you sleep into a couple of times each day.
look up biphasic or polyphasic sleep


If you know of any studies that would be helpful, my quick search found a number of websites which made claims but didn't directly source anything concrete. Until I see an actual study I'm not convinced it's more than a fad.

More importantly, biphasic/polyphasic sleep was not what was described. The critical component, carefully and precisely timed naps, was not mentioned at all. I find it extremely unlikely that the group of students in the anecdote are universtally blessed with diligence, accommodating class schedules, and understanding peers. It's not impossible, but until disputed I'm holding to the assumption that these students are closer to Mountain Dew chugging, all-nighter pulling Comp Sci majors than hyper-disciplined valedictorian candidates.
.


my bad then for misinterpreting that 2 hours of sleep a day is limited to a monophasic sleep schedule which i guess is what reginald is claiming to be doing and is definitely not sustainable for long periods of time
Abenson
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
Canada4122 Posts
March 21 2012 22:22 GMT
#694
So today I finally decided to make QWER DF my smartcast keys for spells and summoners respectively, and suddently I can jungle lee sin again.
Gorsameth
Profile Joined April 2010
Netherlands21963 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-03-21 22:26:09
March 21 2012 22:25 GMT
#695
nvm
It ignores such insignificant forces as time, entropy, and death
Seuss
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States10536 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-03-21 22:32:01
March 21 2012 22:30 GMT
#696
On March 22 2012 07:17 cLutZ wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 22 2012 07:12 Seuss wrote:

There are huge risks and downsides. Such a move would directly erode community goodwill, and consequently stunt the development of LoL as an eSport.


Really how? Its basically like the NFL making up a 3rd place game and airing it PPV the Saturday before the Super Bowl.


The NFL is an established sport and one where historically it was impossible for a fan to be able to see every game they might desire on normal television. If you were a Tampa Bay Buccaneers fan in New England you'd be likely to miss half or more of all their games under normal circumstances. Enter PPV and/or special NFL channels and now you don't have to miss your game.

LoL is different because it is not an established sport/eSport. We also live in a very different era where streams effectively mean that as long as your internet holds and there are no technical difficulties the only thing preventing you from seeing the game you want to watch are the tournament organizers and/or Riot. Until now we've had complete access to the streams of players and tournaments. Suddenly throwing down a pay wall will create a backlash from players and viewers who will see it as arbitrary and a greedy money grab.
"I am not able to carry all this people alone, for they are too heavy for me." -Moses (Numbers 11:14)
cLutZ
Profile Joined November 2010
United States19574 Posts
March 21 2012 22:36 GMT
#697
On March 22 2012 07:30 Seuss wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 22 2012 07:17 cLutZ wrote:
On March 22 2012 07:12 Seuss wrote:

There are huge risks and downsides. Such a move would directly erode community goodwill, and consequently stunt the development of LoL as an eSport.


Really how? Its basically like the NFL making up a 3rd place game and airing it PPV the Saturday before the Super Bowl.


The NFL is an established sport and one where historically it was impossible for a fan to be able to see every game they might desire on normal television. If you were a Tampa Bay Buccaneers fan in New England you'd be likely to miss half or more of all their games under normal circumstances. Enter PPV and/or special NFL channels and now you don't have to miss your game.

LoL is different because it is not an established sport/eSport. We also live in a very different era where streams effectively mean that as long as your internet holds and there are no technical difficulties the only thing preventing you from seeing the game you want to watch are the tournament organizers and/or Riot. Until now we've had complete access to the streams of players and tournaments. Suddenly throwing down a pay wall will create a backlash from players and viewers who will see it as arbitrary and a greedy money grab.



MLG is starting PPV events for SCII and it isn't killing it (BNET 2.0 is doing that by itself). Esports is actually the only strong part of SC right now.
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Profile Blog Joined February 2010
United States7414 Posts
March 21 2012 22:39 GMT
#698
On March 22 2012 07:30 Seuss wrote:
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On March 22 2012 07:17 cLutZ wrote:
On March 22 2012 07:12 Seuss wrote:

There are huge risks and downsides. Such a move would directly erode community goodwill, and consequently stunt the development of LoL as an eSport.


Really how? Its basically like the NFL making up a 3rd place game and airing it PPV the Saturday before the Super Bowl.


The NFL is an established sport and one where historically it was impossible for a fan to be able to see every game they might desire on normal television. If you were a Tampa Bay Buccaneers fan in New England you'd be likely to miss half or more of all their games under normal circumstances. Enter PPV and/or special NFL channels and now you don't have to miss your game.

LoL is different because it is not an established sport/eSport. We also live in a very different era where streams effectively mean that as long as your internet holds and there are no technical difficulties the only thing preventing you from seeing the game you want to watch are the tournament organizers and/or Riot. Until now we've had complete access to the streams of players and tournaments. Suddenly throwing down a pay wall will create a backlash from players and viewers who will see it as arbitrary and a greedy money grab.


Gunna just throw it out thar that a New England fan of the Buc's are more likely to see a homegame for Tampa then people living in Tampa due to game black outs. Trust me the fans don't like it and I'd imagine the PPV backlash would be something like that but worse and on a large scale.
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Profile Blog Joined August 2009
United States5765 Posts
March 21 2012 22:43 GMT
#699
On March 22 2012 07:30 Seuss wrote:
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On March 22 2012 07:17 cLutZ wrote:
On March 22 2012 07:12 Seuss wrote:

There are huge risks and downsides. Such a move would directly erode community goodwill, and consequently stunt the development of LoL as an eSport.


Really how? Its basically like the NFL making up a 3rd place game and airing it PPV the Saturday before the Super Bowl.


The NFL is an established sport and one where historically it was impossible for a fan to be able to see every game they might desire on normal television. If you were a Tampa Bay Buccaneers fan in New England you'd be likely to miss half or more of all their games under normal circumstances. Enter PPV and/or special NFL channels and now you don't have to miss your game.

LoL is different because it is not an established sport/eSport. We also live in a very different era where streams effectively mean that as long as your internet holds and there are no technical difficulties the only thing preventing you from seeing the game you want to watch are the tournament organizers and/or Riot. Until now we've had complete access to the streams of players and tournaments. Suddenly throwing down a pay wall will create a backlash from players and viewers who will see it as arbitrary and a greedy money grab.


Which I've still never understood as an argument. Ok, then don't watch. The only thing this does is further the idea that the internet has created a group of consumers who are entitled to everything for free. Justifications for pirating alone point to that idea. People decide whether something is morally justifiable to pirate if they can't afford it... really? So price is just a meaningless idea now? I was unaware we entered a utopian future where currency had been abolished and people simply get what they want because they want it.

I'm rambling a bit, but I simply see it as identical to the fighting game community; there is no real downside to another tournament. If MLG doesn't deliver, then you go back to the way things were and the whole thing doesn't matter. If its a success, then you continue to go to them and everybody is happy. If a company tries to milk its consumers, then either the consumers wisen up and stop paying or their is a greater demand than people realize and they continue to pay; in which case its working as intended.
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Profile Joined August 2010
886 Posts
March 21 2012 22:45 GMT
#700
On March 22 2012 07:20 Frolossus wrote:
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On March 22 2012 07:12 Seuss wrote:
On March 22 2012 06:36 Frolossus wrote:
On March 22 2012 06:24 Seuss wrote:
On March 22 2012 06:17 Frolossus wrote:
On March 22 2012 06:14 Seuss wrote:
On March 22 2012 06:05 jadoth wrote:
On March 22 2012 05:59 Seuss wrote:
On March 22 2012 05:35 Juicyfruit wrote:
Meh, according to that article Regi sleeps like 2 hours a day and has been doing that. I don't buy that he sleeps THAT little, but him being sleep deprived does explain a few things.


2 hours of sleep a night is beyond sleep deprived, it's downright unhealthy. For reference, anything less than 7-8 hours affects cognitive ability, and it stacks as you continue to fall short. The less sleep you get the faster your mental acuity drops. If you're only getting 6 hours of sleep a night, after two weeks your ability to think is at the same level as someone who has been awake for 24 hours straight.

SEE: http://www.nytimes.com/2011/04/17/magazine/mag-17Sleep-t.html

Also, I don't get enough sleep. D:


and some who hasnt slept for 24 hours is retarded. sometime i cant fall asleep and i will stay up all night and by like 6 pm the next day i might as well have downed half a handle of vodka i feel so dumb.

also does any one else think it is funny that clg shares beds.


That's sort of the point of the comparison. Think about how tired, unproductive, and ineffectual you are after you haven't slept for 24 hours. Next, realize you'll be like that all the time if you only get 6 hours of sleep every night.

I'm speaking from experience, but sleep deprivation quickly reaches a point not unlike the Dunning-Kruger effect whereby you're so tired you no longer can properly assess how tired you actually are.

6 hours is honestly a fair amount, currently at my school the average amount of sleep for students is between 2-6 hours. it doesn't really affect our academic performance too much


Subjective anecdote versus rigorous study. Why, exactly, should I take your word over that of the heads of the Sleep and Chronobiology Laboratory at the Hospital at University of Pennsylvania and the Sleep and Performance Research Center at Washington State University? Why is your loosely explained situation more accurate than published papers and studies?

its quite possible to function on less hours of sleep if you break up the time you sleep into a couple of times each day.
look up biphasic or polyphasic sleep


If you know of any studies that would be helpful, my quick search found a number of websites which made claims but didn't directly source anything concrete. Until I see an actual study I'm not convinced it's more than a fad.

More importantly, biphasic/polyphasic sleep was not what was described. The critical component, carefully and precisely timed naps, was not mentioned at all. I find it extremely unlikely that the group of students in the anecdote are universtally blessed with diligence, accommodating class schedules, and understanding peers. It's not impossible, but until disputed I'm holding to the assumption that these students are closer to Mountain Dew chugging, all-nighter pulling Comp Sci majors than hyper-disciplined valedictorian candidates.
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my bad then for misinterpreting that 2 hours of sleep a day is limited to a monophasic sleep schedule which i guess is what reginald is claiming to be doing and is definitely not sustainable for long periods of time


AFAIK, the whole biphasic/polyphasic thing was a huge internet hype without much evidence at all to back it up -- at least a few years ago when I looked up whatever research I could find, it all boiled down to a few very specific studies, and a huge amount of forum posts of people misrepresenting the studies.

The only conclusive evidence I found was:
If you can only sleep 2-4 hours a day or monophasic sleep is impossible (sailing alone, soldiers at war, etc.), you're better off with bi-/polyphasic sleep than with just sleeping 2-4 hours straight then being awake for 22-20 hours.
But you are still far, far away from the performance you'd have on a normal sleep schedule.
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