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On April 17 2012 05:41 Slusher wrote:
pretty much every Skarner goes Philo stone for gp5, don't know why they haven't realised turning it into Shuryela's earily means no blue needed, and w+active = garunteed 2nd q land.
Turning it over early means you're missing out on Gp10 during the early stages of the game, where it really helps as a jungler.
Also: don't draw out this discussion too long because Gp10 discussions end up with the biggest shitstorms.
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On April 17 2012 05:41 Slusher wrote:
pretty much every Skarner goes Philo stone for gp5, don't know why they haven't realised turning it into Shuryela's earily means no blue needed, and w+active = garunteed 2nd q land.
what. Sustained q spam requires around 70 mp/5. You use the active to ult someone with your w, not land a q, you can q while ulting someone then get an auto and q again for the slow after it ends.
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On April 17 2012 05:41 Slusher wrote:
pretty much every Skarner goes Philo stone for gp5, don't know why they haven't realised turning it into Shuryela's earily means no blue needed, and w+active = garunteed 2nd q land.
It's not just because of the gp10, but also because it provides mana regen (big thing on him and amumu), health regen on champs with no life leech, and builds into shurelyas which is a key on a lot of champs for engages.
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You know someone posted something that people don't agree with when you open the GD thread on the last page, and the 3 first posts are quoting someone with a disagreeing statement. ^^
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5GP/10 is grossly eclipsed by Shurelya's active and regen. Being able to shurelyas > ult for free kills every gank is worth so much more than the 30 gold a minute you're missing out on. Being able to clear faster because you can afford to spend more mana, as well as having more regen (coupled with faster clears also making you take less damage) lets you farm and/or gank more often and be more aggressive when you do.
You get Philo on a jungler primarily for the regen stats. You get HoG primarily because you're going to build a Randuins eventually anyway and it gives a decent amount of HP early on, whereas your other pieces give a small amount of armor/mr (mercs/tabi, chain vest/negatron). It leads you into a pretty balanced set of defensive stats.
It's very common for a jungler to skip HoG and go straight from philo to e.g. Aegis if they feel they need to be tankier earlier. Since the jungler usually has favorable matchups (2v1, 3v2 ganks) and is against minions, he often can afford to go double gp10 without much issue.
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I wasn't actually disagreeing with rushing shurelyas lol. I was only stating people don't only get philo for the gp10 which is something i hear a lot. The gp10 on philo is more of a bonus on it.I think shurelya rushes are really good on some junglers (like skarner and amumu) and obviously is good on supports. I 100% agree with craton on that.
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I would skip philo in a heartbeat if it didn't build into shurelyas, because holy hell does it suck. The gp10 on it is a good placeholder stat..but that's about it.
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I'm saying I watch a lot of Skarners go the normal gp10 route and leave it as philo for as long as possible, when the increased regen drastically increases your clear time, and the improved ganking from the active easily makes up for the gold.
so basically you all agree with me, didn't think it was so poorly worded
as for 2nd q, why ult until you have to? 9/10 you can grab them still after flash (in lane)
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It pays for itself in both regen and gold/10. I don't know why you think regen is valueless especially in jungle you're going to use a fuckload of pots if you don't have it. Or else give up lots of time and farm to back more.
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Viktor being free this week makes me sad. Oh well, guess I'll just have to be fast to pick him
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On April 17 2012 07:24 GiratinaStarcraft wrote:
Viktor being free this week makes me sad. Oh well, guess I'll just have to be fast to pick him
Nah, nobody ever plays Viktor, not even when free. dw guys
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On April 17 2012 07:27 Dandel Ion wrote:Show nested quote +On April 17 2012 07:24 GiratinaStarcraft wrote:
Viktor being free this week makes me sad. Oh well, guess I'll just have to be fast to pick him Nah, nobody ever plays Viktor, not even when free. dw guys
If people play him, I'll know who to kill first.
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make those viktor players know that no one likes them so that no one will want to pick him up?
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On April 17 2012 07:18 Slayer91 wrote:
It pays for itself in both regen and gold/10. I don't know why you think regen is valueless especially in jungle you're going to use a fuckload of pots if you don't have it. Or else give up lots of time and farm to back more.
I mean from the perspective of a support player. You silly junglers can build whatever you like. Probably should have clarified.
That said, I've seen saint do that thing where he kills 3 camps then recall and then get back to camp 1 on respawn, so I think the need for sustain is a little overstated when you can do the recall and just keep pots on hand when you need to gank.
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On April 17 2012 07:32 Juicyfruit wrote:Show nested quote +On April 17 2012 07:18 Slayer91 wrote:
It pays for itself in both regen and gold/10. I don't know why you think regen is valueless especially in jungle you're going to use a fuckload of pots if you don't have it. Or else give up lots of time and farm to back more. I mean from the perspective of a support player. You silly junglers can build whatever you like. Probably should have clarified. That said, I've seen saint do that thing where he kills 3 camps then recall and then get back to camp 1 on respawn, so I think the need for sustain is a little overstated when you can do the recall and just keep pots on hand when you need to gank.
That defeats the purpose of jungling though. You need to be mobile, able to be anywhere on the map in a short time. If you're constantly going back you won't be able to gank, and the other team can roam through your jungle because you're sitting at the fountain waiting for your health to regen.
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On April 17 2012 07:18 Slayer91 wrote:
It pays for itself in both regen and gold/10. I don't know why you think regen is valueless especially in jungle you're going to use a fuckload of pots if you don't have it. Or else give up lots of time and farm to back more.
I think the thing that's most bothersome about Philo in the jungle is that the majority of it's cost is spent on health regen, when a lot of junglers are much more worried about mana sustain than health sustain.
Realistically if there were a mana regen item that were better tailored toward bruisers, I would probably get that instead.
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On April 17 2012 07:48 TheYango wrote:Show nested quote +On April 17 2012 07:18 Slayer91 wrote:
It pays for itself in both regen and gold/10. I don't know why you think regen is valueless especially in jungle you're going to use a fuckload of pots if you don't have it. Or else give up lots of time and farm to back more. I think the thing that's most bothersome about Philo in the jungle is that the majority of it's cost is spent on health regen, when a lot of junglers are much more worried about mana sustain than health sustain. Realistically if there were a mana regen item that were better tailored toward bruisers, I would probably get that instead.
Chalice is good, not so much if enemy AD heavy though.
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I'm afraid that with Viktor free week people will realise he's quite strong and he'll become more popular.. something I prefer not to happen ^^ I like the moans when I pick him =)
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I get chalice occasionally. It's good on champs that have some sustain or shielding intrinsically, but even then half the time you want Shurelya's anyway.
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I thought we decided like 2 months ago that wriggles was the way to go on skarner cuz you cant spam q even WITH shurelias.
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