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Remember guys, this is the general discussion thread. Keep whine/QQ posts in the appropriate QQ memorial thread! Thanks!
Juicyfruit
Profile Joined May 2008
Canada5484 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-04-05 02:13:42
April 05 2012 02:09 GMT
#3961
Only Shaco/Rammus might have comparable low-level ganks. If your ganks start being effective at only at level 4 and beyond that's not what I'd call a strong early level ganking presence at all. The thing is, LeeSin has invasion potential which makes his gank timing and pathing all the more unpredictable, and LeeSin can gank really well from down the lane on top of everything else.
Juddas
Profile Joined January 2011
768 Posts
April 05 2012 02:14 GMT
#3962
Alistar does have some amazing ganks, but the lane has to be perfect for maximum effect. And he really needs good team coordination. And If you want those guys in there you might as well say Jungle bltiz has amazing ganks.
AUGcodon
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Canada536 Posts
April 05 2012 02:15 GMT
#3963
huh how did I forget the moose and shaco, need to think more before posting
2809-8732-2116/ Fighting/ Mienfoo, Tyrogue, Sawk
jadoth
Profile Joined December 2011
694 Posts
April 05 2012 02:15 GMT
#3964
another thing is unlike moa or ram he doesn't need the laner to help him gank. like if the enemy is like 50% and your laner is at like 10% a gank with ram or mao is risky because he can turn and just kill your laner where with lee your laner can back as you walk into the lane and kill them by yourself.
turdburgler
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
England6749 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-04-05 02:33:24
April 05 2012 02:31 GMT
#3965
On April 05 2012 10:58 HazMat wrote:
Then you Q the creep which puts you right next to them to get E and autoattacks. At this point you're just theorycrafting too much. He's bad because people sometimes walk into their creep waves? Is mundo a bad ganker?


im fully aware of how to kill people thanks for tips. tytytyty ;D

On April 05 2012 11:15 AUGcodon wrote:
huh how did I forget the moose and shaco, need to think more before posting


easy to forget shaco is a real champion and not just a button that 1 team tries to bait the other team in to pressing each game

theres no shaco guide thread on TL. gotta discuss how to man mode him up in blind normals
HazMat
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States17077 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-04-05 02:35:33
April 05 2012 02:35 GMT
#3966
On April 05 2012 11:31 turdburgler wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 05 2012 10:58 HazMat wrote:
Then you Q the creep which puts you right next to them to get E and autoattacks. At this point you're just theorycrafting too much. He's bad because people sometimes walk into their creep waves? Is mundo a bad ganker?


im fully aware of how to kill people thanks for tips. tytytyty ;D

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On April 05 2012 11:15 AUGcodon wrote:
huh how did I forget the moose and shaco, need to think more before posting


easy to forget shaco is a real champion and not just a button that 1 team tries to bait the other team in to pressing each game

theres no shaco guide thread on TL. gotta discuss how to man mode him up in blind normals

?
Guess you gave up and agree Lee is a good ganker?
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JBright
Profile Joined September 2010
Vancouver14381 Posts
April 05 2012 02:36 GMT
#3967
http://www.reddit.com/r/leagueoflegends/comments/rtpj9/big_ipl4_info_post/c48mdh0

Did anyone else catch this? It's only hearsay for now but it would be cool to see Dan doing stuff for OGN.
ModeratorThe good and the wise lead quiet lives. Neo's #1 Frenemy and nightmare.
0123456789
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States3216 Posts
April 05 2012 02:41 GMT
#3968
Dan love getting drunk, dan gonna love korea
BlackPaladin
Profile Joined May 2010
United States9316 Posts
April 05 2012 03:03 GMT
#3969
Half the time I see him stream he's drunk. I feel bad for the guy's liver.
"Your full potential does not matter if you do not use all 100% of it."
Happy Frog
Profile Joined May 2010
Australia490 Posts
April 05 2012 03:08 GMT
#3970
TSM and Curse about to scrim

http://clgaming.net/live/6132-crs-crumbzz
jcarlsoniv
Profile Blog Joined January 2010
United States27922 Posts
April 05 2012 03:16 GMT
#3971
On April 05 2012 12:03 BlackPaladin wrote:
Half the time I see him stream he's drunk. I feel bad for the guy's liver.


...you ever watch SV's stream??
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overt
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States9006 Posts
April 05 2012 03:24 GMT
#3972
I've been at work and didn't really want to continue the Annie discussion from three pages ago but two things I wanted to reply to and then I'll leave Annie discussion alone for awhile.

On April 05 2012 07:14 wei2coolman wrote:
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On April 05 2012 06:09 tobi9999 wrote:
On April 05 2012 05:56 wei2coolman wrote:
I don't think anyone disagrees with the fact Annie is god tier outside lanephase, similar to singed, but its just hard to get to that point.


her lane phase is retardedly good. 625 range auto attacks are nothing to laugh at -_-
also, what do people really mean when they say lane phase? On some champions once you hit 6 you can just leave lane and give up your tower to roam bot/enemy jungle for kills.


There's no way annie is going to be getting away with a lot of cs, against alot of the current ap meta, without being poked out of lane, ie ziggs, cass, anivia, ahri, and so on.


This is straight up false. Annie has a crazy safe lane if you choose to play safe. Most champs try to push the lane towards Annie because she lacks clearing power at early levels and her auto attack range is better than everyone but Caitlyn at that point in the game. Not to mention her Q makes farming ezpz. If you can dodge skill shots and use your passive properly you can easily get farmed. It's just that most of the APs who beat her can push lane in, then go gank. Or if you're bad they can harass you down because you fucked up and got hit by Ahri Q or Cass Q.

I don't think her laning is incredible or anything but it's definitely possible to get farm in literally any lane except maybe against Xerath.
On April 05 2012 08:13 Eppa! wrote:
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On April 05 2012 08:05 cLutZ wrote:
On April 05 2012 07:14 wei2coolman wrote:
On April 05 2012 06:09 tobi9999 wrote:
On April 05 2012 05:56 wei2coolman wrote:
I don't think anyone disagrees with the fact Annie is god tier outside lanephase, similar to singed, but its just hard to get to that point.


her lane phase is retardedly good. 625 range auto attacks are nothing to laugh at -_-
also, what do people really mean when they say lane phase? On some champions once you hit 6 you can just leave lane and give up your tower to roam bot/enemy jungle for kills.


There's no way annie is going to be getting away with a lot of cs, against alot of the current ap meta, without being poked out of lane, ie ziggs, cass, anivia, ahri, and so on.

Even if she can get out of lane post6, there are champions post6 that just wreck her in this category, and still win lanephase easier.

The reason I say god tier, is because in teamfights, There aren't taht many ap mid champs that can keep up with annie's raw burst* aoe damage, and cc. A tibbers stun onto multiple people is nothing to laugh at.


Tibbers is awesome.

IMO the only real problem right now is Annie's passive stun mechanic. Getting 5 stacks is easy, but a good AP Mid player will force you to waste in on minions more often than not (just played a game where I just pushed annie to tower with morgana and lawled around ganking, granted that annie sucked, but thats not the point). Making the stun only proc on champs would probably be too OP, on the other hand, letting you save it somehow would be super helpful.

Short range, weak poke, mediocre AP ratios, no mobility. She has a bunch of problems basically between 7-12 something are her "power levels". Anivia has better control and scaling. Kennen has stronger scaling and is only slightly weaker mid game, Ahri has spammable poke and mobility. Annie isn't bad but she wallows around in mediocrity much like Xin Zhao and Lux.


She doesn't have poke nor does she have mobility. But her AP ratios are on par or better than lots of other AP carries. Her late game is still good too. Annie can initiate fights. Kennen can't do that, despite what people might think his ult is pretty shitty initiation. Anivia has a better late game but the only AP that has a better late game than her is probably Karthus lol. Ahri late game is definitely not as good as Annie, she can't initiate fights and she can't counter-initiate either (two things that Annie is incredible at).

Annie was bad late game before her buffs. Back when she did have mediocre AP ratios. Riot changed her months ago and now her AP ratios are just as good as other champions. It actually weakened her early game slightly because they nerfed her base damages but her ratios mean she has kill threat at all stages of the game. The biggest problem with her late game is that the enemy will probably have BV but that can be countered by running an AD with good poke such as Corki.

For reference, she has .7 ratio on her Q and R with a .75 ratio on W. She seriously scales just as well as most other APs save a small few (Ryze, Karthus, Anivia come to mind).
iCanada
Profile Joined August 2010
Canada10660 Posts
April 05 2012 03:30 GMT
#3973
On April 05 2012 11:09 Juicyfruit wrote:
Only Shaco/Rammus might have comparable low-level ganks. If your ganks start being effective at only at level 4 and beyond that's not what I'd call a strong early level ganking presence at all. The thing is, LeeSin has invasion potential which makes his gank timing and pathing all the more unpredictable, and LeeSin can gank really well from down the lane on top of everything else.


Imo Riven's early game ganks about as strong or stronger than Lee's if flash up.

No one jungle her though, which is fair because she scales so well with gold. Top lane Riven too good... That and Riven fairly underplayed in general since her nerfs.
Caphe
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
Vietnam10817 Posts
April 05 2012 03:36 GMT
#3974
On April 05 2012 12:30 iCanada wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 05 2012 11:09 Juicyfruit wrote:
Only Shaco/Rammus might have comparable low-level ganks. If your ganks start being effective at only at level 4 and beyond that's not what I'd call a strong early level ganking presence at all. The thing is, LeeSin has invasion potential which makes his gank timing and pathing all the more unpredictable, and LeeSin can gank really well from down the lane on top of everything else.


Imo Riven's early game ganks about as strong or stronger than Lee's if flash up.

No one jungle her though, which is fair because she scales so well with gold. Top lane Riven too good... That and Riven fairly underplayed in general since her nerfs.

SV jungle with Riven alot on Korea server and he has 100% winrate with her up to 2000 elo. I think only SV can make it works like that though since he farm non-stop and rarely gank. But when he ganks its quite effective.
Terran
HazMat
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States17077 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-04-05 03:38:19
April 05 2012 03:36 GMT
#3975
Crumbzz and Jacky streaming a scrim vs TSM for those interested
edit: Crumbzz has a very similar taste in music as me, for the most part.
www.youtube.com/user/ShakeDrizzle | League and SSBM content creator | Armada's Youtube Editor
Caphe
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
Vietnam10817 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-04-05 03:38:29
April 05 2012 03:38 GMT
#3976
On April 05 2012 12:36 HazMat wrote:
Crumbzz and Jacky streaming a scrim vs TSM for those interested

Was looking for something to watch when I eat my lunch. Ty!!!
EDIT: Can you share the link though O_O Cant find it.
Terran
HazMat
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States17077 Posts
April 05 2012 03:42 GMT
#3977
http://www.twitch.tv/crs_crumbzz?utm_campaign=live_embed_click&utm_source=clgaming.net
www.youtube.com/user/ShakeDrizzle | League and SSBM content creator | Armada's Youtube Editor
HazMat
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States17077 Posts
April 05 2012 03:49 GMT
#3978
I think NyJacky is way too inconsistent. He has good games and some heroes but he fails a lottttttttttt. Really unimpressed by him recently. We'll see at IPL though.
www.youtube.com/user/ShakeDrizzle | League and SSBM content creator | Armada's Youtube Editor
dooraven
Profile Joined December 2010
Australia2820 Posts
April 05 2012 03:54 GMT
#3979
TIL QSS Removes the Vision Impairment From Nocturnes Ulti, wonder if It does the same to Grave's Smokescreen.
Go go Alliance.
jcarlsoniv
Profile Blog Joined January 2010
United States27922 Posts
April 05 2012 03:57 GMT
#3980
I would assume it doesn't. I don't think QSS would remove the slow on Singed's poison if you're still standing in it.
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