EPTLOL ya if lee is not banned he will be fped. i cant remember the last time he wasnt picked/banned.
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De4ngus
United States6533 Posts
LOL ya if lee is not banned he will be fped. i cant remember the last time he wasnt picked/banned. | ||
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United States3216 Posts
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phyvo
United States5635 Posts
Once I get over that though I'll have to convince Monte to theme team with me using him + xerath/morde/nautilus. | ||
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zodde
Sweden1908 Posts
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Praetorial
United States4241 Posts
On April 05 2012 10:27 phyvo wrote: I"m a little disappointed that they described him as a centaur (implying that he at least has flesh) when he's really two glowing sets of armor glued together. Once I get over that though I'll have to convince Monte to theme team with me using him + xerath/morde/nautilus. And runed skarner skin. | ||
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Juddas
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At my level | ||
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HazMat
United States17077 Posts
On April 05 2012 10:26 0123456789 wrote: Lee sin can't farm as well as a lot of junglers, not the strongest ganks, not the strongest teamfights. Overrated. Oh wait, you mean top lane. So you're saying he's a little good at everything? Doesn't sound very overrated to me. | ||
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Parnage
United States7414 Posts
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turdburgler
England6749 Posts
i enjoy playing him but its like, you take him to troll people at level 2 else you might aswell take warwick and just be better. its kinda funny that people build him the way they do. with his attack speed passive im suprise we dont see more wits end/mandreds play for his late game. would probably make him a ton better if you just built him with warwicks items than the atmoggs stuff which most people tend to use. | ||
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HazMat
United States17077 Posts
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turdburgler
England6749 Posts
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Parnage
United States7414 Posts
On April 05 2012 10:44 turdburgler wrote: his ganks are pretty bad, he has trash late game and his major weakenss is that hes better in top lane : ) i enjoy playing him but its like, you take him to troll people at level 2 else you might aswell take warwick and just be better. its kinda funny that people build him the way they do. with his attack speed passive im suprise we dont see more wits end/mandreds play for his late game. would probably make him a ton better if you just built him with warwicks items than the atmoggs stuff which most people tend to use. Any champion that is a jungler who has both a gap closer and a slow can NOT by definition be bad at ganking. You can say his late game is not as strong but come on to say Lee Sin ganks are bad is hilariously silly. This is the champion who pretty much forced people to be afraid of level 2 ganks. Compared to Warwicks pre six gank stratagem of Run at them and look scary I'd most assuredly consider Lee the better ganker. | ||
TheYango
United States47024 Posts
On April 05 2012 10:44 turdburgler wrote: its kinda funny that people build him the way they do. with his attack speed passive im suprise we dont see more wits end/mandreds play for his late game. would probably make him a ton better if you just built him with warwicks items than the atmoggs stuff which most people tend to use. What? Having an ASpd passive favors buying AD and crit as far as increasing your autoattack DPS. An attack speed passive doesn't favor buying MORE attack speed. Also, the Warwick comparison makes no sense, because Lee Sin has three abilities that scale with AD, and Warwick has none. Warwick simply just gets pretty much no benefit from building AD items, which is why he doesn't get them, even with an ASpd steroid. | ||
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Ryuu314
United States12679 Posts
@Yango: WW's ult scales with AD >.> but yea ww lee sin comparison is super shitty. they do different things and have completely different goals. | ||
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turdburgler
England6749 Posts
On April 05 2012 10:48 TheYango wrote: What? Having an ASpd passive favors buying AD and crit as far as increasing your autoattack DPS. An attack speed passive doesn't favor buying MORE attack speed. Also, the Warwick comparison makes no sense, because Lee Sin has three abilities that scale with AD, and Warwick has none. Warwick simply just gets pretty much no benefit from building AD items, which is why he doesn't get them, even with an ASpd steroid. an attack speed passive increases the absolute dps increase of an item like wits end. and while its true that it would increase he relative values of ad and crit up, itemising for both survival and damage is a problem. and getting a mallet warmoggs and atmas and getting a total of 30ad out of it or something just isnt worth 3 item slots imo. anyway that was just me thinking out loud about the reason people buy items, wasnt really my main point. the point is lee sin is like the rich mans master yi. i really hate his late game ;/ On April 05 2012 10:49 Ryuu314 wrote: wat are you talking about? if they're in teh creep wave you walk up to them/w to a creep and slow them with E. You shouldn't really be initiating with your Q the majority of the time since it's pretty easy to juke. if you think lee sin's ganks are bad you haven't played any good lee sins. also, if you suck at ganking or no lanes are gankable you just go counterjungle. Lee has one of the strongest 1v1 in the game especially if you take exhaust. Add ward jumping and you're extremely hard to catch, as well. @Yango: WW's ult scales with AD >.> but yea ww lee sin comparison is super shitty. they do different things and have completely different goals. why would someone escaping a gank run into your creeps? that would be going in the wrong direction. | ||
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HazMat
United States17077 Posts
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Ryuu314
United States12679 Posts
On April 05 2012 10:56 turdburgler wrote: an attack speed passive increases the absolute dps increase of an item like wits end. and while its true that it would increase he relative values of ad and crit up, itemising for both survival and damage is a problem. and getting a mallet warmoggs and atmas and getting a total of 30ad out of it or something just isnt worth 3 item slots imo. You don't build attack speed items because you don't need them. You have 3 skills that scale exceptionally well with AD. You have 1.8 AD scaling on your Q, 1.0 AD scaling on your E, and 2.0 AD scaling on your ult. Why would you not take advantage of that? Secondly, people go for atmas builds out of necessity. As a melee champion whose goal is to disrupt the enemy team and to get in the enemy carry's faces, he needs to be somewhat tanky. Atmas builds offer the most cost-effective source of both survivability and damage (and in the case of frozen mallet builds, it adds additional utility too). That being said, if you're ahead with Lee Sin it's perfectly acceptable and common to build some pure AD items like brutalizer, hexdrinker, or even a freakin BT if you're ahead and you want to snowball hard. | ||
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Canada536 Posts
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Australia2820 Posts
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