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Caphe
Vietnam10817 Posts
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Craton
United States17274 Posts
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billy5000
United States865 Posts
This literally blew my mind. It's obvious to fight around your ad carry is it not? I'm not qq'ing or anything, especially because we won, but I just want to get this fact straight | ||
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zergnewb
United States816 Posts
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iCanada
Canada10660 Posts
On April 05 2012 13:34 billy5000 wrote: So i got into a game with this anivia yelling at me for not jumping on their ashe as irelia in a team fight. From my experience with successful arranged games with friends, fighting around the ad carry is the obvious choice. But their ww and olaf literraly tip toes to our ad carry who was in a safe distance behind our group and she was left behind, so I help her out and we managed to kite them. in other words, ww and olaf were literally out of position, but the rest of our team was all going for their ashe and everyone else and dies. so cait and i managed to finish the rest of their team, but anivia types out in all chat, "our irelia doesn't know how to jump on ashe, report her". and in ally chat, "i'm afk cuz of this irelia." This literally blew my mind. It's obvious to fight around your ad carry is it not? I'm not qq'ing or anything, especially because we won, but I just want to get this fact straight Peeling for AD carries hard mang. I've lost so many games as an AD carry that was farmed as fuck that should have been won so long as our team just made it impossible to dive me. | ||
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Ryuu314
United States12679 Posts
On April 05 2012 13:34 billy5000 wrote: So i got into a game with this anivia yelling at me for not jumping on their ashe as irelia in a team fight. From my experience with successful arranged games with friends, fighting around the ad carry is the obvious choice. But their ww and olaf literraly tip toes to our ad carry who was in a safe distance behind our group and she was left behind, so I help her out and we managed to kite them. in other words, ww and olaf were literally out of position, but the rest of our team was all going for their ashe and everyone else and dies. so cait and i managed to finish the rest of their team, but anivia types out in all chat, "our irelia doesn't know how to jump on ashe, report her". and in ally chat, "i'm afk cuz of this irelia." This literally blew my mind. It's obvious to fight around your ad carry is it not? I'm not qq'ing or anything, especially because we won, but I just want to get this fact straight There's no set answer. It depends on who you're playing and who they're playing. If your champ is a stronger peeler/your AD carry is super farmed, peeling and protecting your AD works fine. If your champ sucks at peeling and is best at diving/disruption, then you want to dive the enemy team. If the enemy AD is really strong at kiting you and you can't stick to them, you may be better off protecting your carry. | ||
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obesechicken13
United States10467 Posts
On April 05 2012 13:43 Ryuu314 wrote: There's no set answer. It depends on who you're playing and who they're playing. If your champ is a stronger peeler/your AD carry is super farmed, peeling and protecting your AD works fine. If your champ sucks at peeling and is best at diving/disruption, then you want to dive the enemy team. If the enemy AD is really strong at kiting you and you can't stick to them, you may be better off protecting your carry. In addition if their AD carry is fed and yours isn't it may be better to go for theirs.  | ||
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anmolsinghmzn2009
India1783 Posts
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billy5000
United States865 Posts
On April 05 2012 13:43 Ryuu314 wrote: There's no set answer. It depends on who you're playing and who they're playing. If your champ is a stronger peeler/your AD carry is super farmed, peeling and protecting your AD works fine. If your champ sucks at peeling and is best at diving/disruption, then you want to dive the enemy team. If the enemy AD is really strong at kiting you and you can't stick to them, you may be better off protecting your carry. Right, the other team even had ashe and swain. | ||
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UniversalSnip
9871 Posts
On April 05 2012 13:47 anmolsinghmzn2009 wrote: what AP mids (except leblanc) can trade decently vs a cass? You mean like... stand there and trade hits with her? Or harass her? | ||
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Zooper31
United States5711 Posts
On April 05 2012 13:52 UniversalSnip wrote: You mean like... stand there and trade hits with her? Or harass her? No one can stand there and trade hits, she will win a head to head fight with a fed AD carry if they literally don't move and let Cass hit everything. Harass? Veigar, LB, Kass, Ahri, champs that either have high mobility or long range silences or stuns. | ||
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iCanada
Canada10660 Posts
On April 05 2012 13:47 anmolsinghmzn2009 wrote: what AP mids (except leblanc) can trade decently vs a cass? I've seen Fizz absolutely shit on Cass a couple times in lane before, don't really play either champ well... so I can't comment on whether or not it just bad Cassio players but it makes sense I guess, he has the mobility to dodge the poison which means Fizz can close the gap and trade without taking big big damage. I dunno, most of the time when I see a Cass lose lane it because the Cass is just bad. /shrug | ||
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Chairman Ray
United States11903 Posts
On April 05 2012 13:47 anmolsinghmzn2009 wrote: what AP mids (except leblanc) can trade decently vs a cass? Laning vs Cass isn't just about straight up trading. You need to be as maneuverable as possible to dodge her skillshots. Having a champion with a mobility skill like Fizz really helps. It's unrealistic to dodge her 100% of the time, but if you can dodge her skillshots like 50% of trades, you will come out ahead in the long run with many AP mids. | ||
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GhostOwl
766 Posts
On April 05 2012 13:59 iCanada wrote: I've seen Fizz absolutely shit on Cass a couple times in lane before, don't really play either champ well... so I can't comment on whether or not it just bad Cassio players but it makes sense I guess, he has the mobility to dodge the poison which means Fizz can close the gap and trade without taking big big damage. I dunno, most of the time when I see a Cass lose lane it because the Cass is just bad. /shrug I am that Fizz that shits on Cass. As long as you know when to use E to dodge her shit, and have good reaction / build order, I think he comes out ahead. Because Fizz is melee, he can't poke without taking obvious damage. Either have enough mana to poke + E out, or save up everything and go for the full combo. Fizz's full combo with ignite has very powerful burst for a level 6 caster, usually more than other casters. | ||
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valheru
Australia966 Posts
EDIT: Oh right I forgot to ask this. I am under the impression that Kassadin is weak in early laning and that many champions can absolutely annihilate him pre-six, and these champs are typically ones with great range, e.g ziggs or really strong early e.g sion or LeBlanc who else is there and what attributes does Kass not want to see in the enemy? Thanks. | ||
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dukethegold
Canada5645 Posts
On April 05 2012 13:55 Zooper31 wrote: No one can stand there and trade hits, she will win a head to head fight with a fed AD carry if they literally don't move and let Cass hit everything. Harass? Veigar, LB, Kass, Ahri, champs that either have high mobility or long range silences or stuns. Kassadin does not counter Cassiopeia. A good cass can completely zone out kass prior to level 6. Ahri, Galio and Morgana can turn it into a farm lane. Veigar can't trade with cass. He either burst cass down in one combo post level 6 or get bullied due to Cass superior farming range. No traditional mage counters Cassiopeia (other than LeBlanc). There are only those that can match her farming capacity. What truly counter Cass are the assassins. Talon in particular counters Cass hardcore. Katriana and Fizz also do it pretty well. | ||
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Navi
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nyxnyxnyx
Indonesia2978 Posts
if assassins kill cass, who tends to include wota/rylai in core then assassins kill anybody and assassins OP | ||
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dukethegold
Canada5645 Posts
On April 05 2012 14:18 nyxnyxnyx wrote: i dont like the assassins kill cass argument if assassins kill cass, who tends to include wota/rylai in core then assassins kill anybody and assassins OP The thing is once Talon hits level 6, he can silence, burst down cass in one combo and then just roam to top or bot as he likes and snowball from there. Assassins are hard countered by bruisers who build armor. Any champion who is viable solo top can trade with or counter assassins. On April 05 2012 14:13 Navi wrote: galio crushes cassiopeia in trades I see where you are coming from. If Cass and Galio both unleash QWE (R), Galio will win. However Galio abilities are on way longer cooldown. From my experience Cass v.s. Galio ends up being a farming lane with Cass being more aggressive and Galio just shrug off her damage. | ||
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valheru
Australia966 Posts
On April 05 2012 14:13 Navi wrote: galio crushes cassiopeia in trades I know next to nothing about cass v galio but I think it's worth putting out there that every tick of cass' poison will proc the heal of galio's shield. EDIT: typo | ||
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