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On April 05 2012 16:50 JackDino wrote:Show nested quote +On April 05 2012 16:48 miicah wrote:
Why are top laners still getting wriggles? Is it because of the armour? Vamp sceptre + 1 dorans + chain vest is the same price as wriggles, you only sacrifice 5ad and end up with 15 more armour and 3% more life steal.
Just a thought. Free ward, 1 item slot, can always reward without having to go back. It only gives 1% more lifesteal, and wriggles gives 13 more ad, not 5. What's the deal with junglecreeps critting, sometimes when I start wolves they crit the shit out of me.
I think Wolves were designed to crit, like red buff gives you that burn, and how dragon does attack speed slow. etc.
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Holy hell I forgot how fun Ahri is to play. I haven't played her in a while because frankly all her skill shots was too much for me but I just played her for the hell of it and man she is fun when you don't fail all her skill shots. I should practice her more so I can add her to my AP champ rotation (which consist of Karthus....and Karthus atm lol) as I was going to do originally.
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On April 05 2012 14:52 sob3k wrote:
Viktor is solid vs cass, bit rough until you get level 3 lazer or abouts....after that you can just harass her all day with its fat damage, lay stun on her if she starts twin fanging you, shield poison damage with Q.
I feel mostly comfy laning vik vs cass, which is alot more than you can say for most other champs
Also you can cast lazer while facing away from her, which is quite nice
Could you be more specific about the match-up? I went against a Cass yesterday, confident that I would be able to farm saefely with E (max it, one shot creep waves from outside her range with death and/or some drings, profit). She rushed revolver, sorcs, wota, with MS quints, and abused her range so that I couldn't do much, since Q's range is shorter on Viktor, and the laser depletes your mana pool really fast, be it to farm or harass, if you don't have blue. He can't trade either, and after her revolver she'd just be impossible to fight with blue as she'd heal all harass between E cooldowns by E'ing creeps.
Granted, I had one or two kill opportunities that I missed by almost nothing (missclick and don't flash before she does, she stays out of ignite's range).
But I'm under the impression that a split second error would kill me (or almost) even post-6, while I had to carefully harass her into kill range. I guess if you want to run to her you'll keep your ult on purpose to cast it during her ult's animation and cancel it with the 0.5s silence? I don't know how it works, if it cancels it, if her cd gets refounded or not, etc.
I've checked the Wiki and her Q is on a 3s cd, it seems short to be able to dodge, close the distance, cast something on her then go back to abuse her the way you can abuse Veigar or Kassadin or Morgana. I guess that wouldn't work.
Granted, I got smashed by a Viktor as Swain (too much damage on his ult, and the range differential is actually huge, + even before he gets some levels in E his Q is enough to shield a good portion of your DoT at low level).
And even managed to lose to Swain as Morgana... pushed him around and outfarmed him a bit early on, and only hit two snares while I had blue buff before he was 6, then I just couldn't put him into kill range because of long cds and 3s delay on SS allowing heal to him a bit. And I used to pride myself as a Morgana main and was able to hit snares reliably... I don't play mid nearly enough, I've become so bad. x_x
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On April 05 2012 17:30 Kouda wrote:Show nested quote +On April 05 2012 16:50 JackDino wrote:On April 05 2012 16:48 miicah wrote:
Why are top laners still getting wriggles? Is it because of the armour? Vamp sceptre + 1 dorans + chain vest is the same price as wriggles, you only sacrifice 5ad and end up with 15 more armour and 3% more life steal.
Just a thought. Free ward, 1 item slot, can always reward without having to go back. It only gives 1% more lifesteal, and wriggles gives 13 more ad, not 5. What's the deal with junglecreeps critting, sometimes when I start wolves they crit the shit out of me. I think Wolves were designed to crit, like red buff gives you that burn, and how dragon does attack speed slow. etc.
The wolves in dota also crit you, it's a reference to them.
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On April 05 2012 17:30 Kouda wrote:Show nested quote +On April 05 2012 16:50 JackDino wrote:On April 05 2012 16:48 miicah wrote:
Why are top laners still getting wriggles? Is it because of the armour? Vamp sceptre + 1 dorans + chain vest is the same price as wriggles, you only sacrifice 5ad and end up with 15 more armour and 3% more life steal.
Just a thought. Free ward, 1 item slot, can always reward without having to go back. It only gives 1% more lifesteal, and wriggles gives 13 more ad, not 5. What's the deal with junglecreeps critting, sometimes when I start wolves they crit the shit out of me. I think Wolves were designed to crit, like red buff gives you that burn, and how dragon does attack speed slow. etc.
I think only dragon gives the burn
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just curious... how hard would it be to give an option for us to download specific character's voiceovers but in different languages and giving us the option to customize who we want in what language... like having some sort of client option to download so and so's sounds so that we can have say... brand in korean and everyone else in english? some of the voices i hear in other languages sound so cool and i would love this option
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On April 05 2012 19:08 wussleeQ wrote:
just curious... how hard would it be to give an option for us to download specific character's voiceovers but in different languages and giving us the option to customize who we want in what language... like having some sort of client option to download so and so's sounds so that we can have say... brand in korean and everyone else in english? some of the voices i hear in other languages sound so cool and i would love this option
I know that people have created custom skins for their characters but only they can see the skins. If that is possible then what you're asking should be just as feasible.
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Froggens AD anivia too stronk. 3/0 @ 4mins. Enemy kassadin really did not expect those AA:s to hurt so much. 
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i have been playing lots of tristana lately... and i have some mixted feelings about her
- i hate her early: squishy, must farm A LOT, when she is ganked she dies.....
- i love her late-game: as an AD carry, she can do lots and lots of damage.... her ultimate is really good if user corectly and her steroid ability is wonderful.
- she is very mana-hungry until level 10 or so.....
I haven't found a build that i am totally satisfied with..... but i am getting there.
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On April 05 2012 20:24 CreationSoul wrote:
i have been playing lots of tristana lately... and i have some mixted feelings about her
- i hate her early: squishy, must farm A LOT, when she is ganked she dies.....
- i love her late-game: as an AD carry, she can do lots and lots of damage.... her ultimate is really good if user corectly and her steroid ability is wonderful.
- she is very mana-hungry until level 10 or so.....
I haven't found a build that i am totally satisfied with..... but i am getting there.
1. What AD doesn't need to farm a lot? I'm actually curious. Does Kog's ult or Ez's Q make them viable mid game so they're useful before lots of farm? Does Graves' AD scaling on buckshot and his ult?
2. How does she die more to ganks than other champions? I find it very easy to just rocket jump away. I always tell my allies to focus the support when I'm ganking trist as a jungler.
3. I don't have the mana problems. Her Q should be maxed first imo. Her E provides like 110 damage at level 1 and +30 damage for every level past that. A 1 point wonder used for the explosive harass. I have some mana regen runes though.
4. I like getting phage for the slow then Iedge followed by two PDancers with greaves and a vamp scepter thrown in. I think LW is a suitable replacement for the second pdancer in some games.
Ended up going 15-4 in my last game, from something like 5-4. Our team was up an overall 8 kills when we won.
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Very mana hungry early? Dies on ganks? Are we playing the same tristana here?
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On April 05 2012 20:24 CreationSoul wrote:
i have been playing lots of tristana lately... and i have some mixted feelings about her
- i hate her early: squishy, must farm A LOT, when she is ganked she dies.....
- i love her late-game: as an AD carry, she can do lots and lots of damage.... her ultimate is really good if user corectly and her steroid ability is wonderful.
- she is very mana-hungry until level 10 or so.....
I haven't found a build that i am totally satisfied with..... but i am getting there.
Her jump makes it so easy to escape ganks oOo
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Yeah the only way I can see Trist being mana hungry is if you're spamming everything on cooldown, which really isn't the way her kit is meant to be played.
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lol snoopeh's annie beating oce's kennen
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On April 05 2012 20:35 obesechicken13 wrote:Show nested quote +On April 05 2012 20:24 CreationSoul wrote:
i have been playing lots of tristana lately... and i have some mixted feelings about her
- i hate her early: squishy, must farm A LOT, when she is ganked she dies.....
- i love her late-game: as an AD carry, she can do lots and lots of damage.... her ultimate is really good if user corectly and her steroid ability is wonderful.
- she is very mana-hungry until level 10 or so.....
I haven't found a build that i am totally satisfied with..... but i am getting there. 1. What AD doesn't need to farm a lot? I'm actually curious. Does Kog's ult or Ez's Q make them viable mid game so they're useful before lots of farm? Does Graves' AD scaling on buckshot and his ult? 2. How does she die more to ganks than other champions? I find it very easy to just rocket jump away. I always tell my allies to focus the support when I'm ganking trist as a jungler. 3. I don't have the mana problems. Her Q should be maxed first imo. Her E provides like 110 damage at level 1 and +30 damage for every level past that. A 1 point wonder used for the explosive harass. I have some mana regen runes though. 4. I like getting phage for the slow then Iedge followed by two PDancers with greaves and a vamp scepter thrown in. I think LW is a suitable replacement for the second pdancer in some games. Ended up going 15-4 in my last game, from something like 5-4. Our team was up an overall 8 kills when we won.
i dont think anyone else maxes q first, i think most people max e for more explosive harras when both ads are farming creeps, even if the use barely gets stronger.
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On April 05 2012 20:49 turdburgler wrote:Show nested quote +On April 05 2012 20:35 obesechicken13 wrote:On April 05 2012 20:24 CreationSoul wrote:
i have been playing lots of tristana lately... and i have some mixted feelings about her
- i hate her early: squishy, must farm A LOT, when she is ganked she dies.....
- i love her late-game: as an AD carry, she can do lots and lots of damage.... her ultimate is really good if user corectly and her steroid ability is wonderful.
- she is very mana-hungry until level 10 or so.....
I haven't found a build that i am totally satisfied with..... but i am getting there. 1. What AD doesn't need to farm a lot? I'm actually curious. Does Kog's ult or Ez's Q make them viable mid game so they're useful before lots of farm? Does Graves' AD scaling on buckshot and his ult? 2. How does she die more to ganks than other champions? I find it very easy to just rocket jump away. I always tell my allies to focus the support when I'm ganking trist as a jungler. 3. I don't have the mana problems. Her Q should be maxed first imo. Her E provides like 110 damage at level 1 and +30 damage for every level past that. A 1 point wonder used for the explosive harass. I have some mana regen runes though. 4. I like getting phage for the slow then Iedge followed by two PDancers with greaves and a vamp scepter thrown in. I think LW is a suitable replacement for the second pdancer in some games. Ended up going 15-4 in my last game, from something like 5-4. Our team was up an overall 8 kills when we won. i dont think anyone else maxes q first, i think most people max e for more explosive harras when both ads are farming creeps, even if the use barely gets stronger.
I'm actually curious as to why no one else maxes Q first. I've alternated between the two and though about maxing Q first when I read the MF guide saying to max W first on MF. Why the inconsistency between the two AD carries?
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I max q and w first on trist, i feel like e pushes the lane too much.
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On April 05 2012 20:56 obesechicken13 wrote:Show nested quote +On April 05 2012 20:49 turdburgler wrote:On April 05 2012 20:35 obesechicken13 wrote:On April 05 2012 20:24 CreationSoul wrote:
i have been playing lots of tristana lately... and i have some mixted feelings about her
- i hate her early: squishy, must farm A LOT, when she is ganked she dies.....
- i love her late-game: as an AD carry, she can do lots and lots of damage.... her ultimate is really good if user corectly and her steroid ability is wonderful.
- she is very mana-hungry until level 10 or so.....
I haven't found a build that i am totally satisfied with..... but i am getting there. 1. What AD doesn't need to farm a lot? I'm actually curious. Does Kog's ult or Ez's Q make them viable mid game so they're useful before lots of farm? Does Graves' AD scaling on buckshot and his ult? 2. How does she die more to ganks than other champions? I find it very easy to just rocket jump away. I always tell my allies to focus the support when I'm ganking trist as a jungler. 3. I don't have the mana problems. Her Q should be maxed first imo. Her E provides like 110 damage at level 1 and +30 damage for every level past that. A 1 point wonder used for the explosive harass. I have some mana regen runes though. 4. I like getting phage for the slow then Iedge followed by two PDancers with greaves and a vamp scepter thrown in. I think LW is a suitable replacement for the second pdancer in some games. Ended up going 15-4 in my last game, from something like 5-4. Our team was up an overall 8 kills when we won. i dont think anyone else maxes q first, i think most people max e for more explosive harras when both ads are farming creeps, even if the use barely gets stronger. I'm actually curious as to why no one else maxes Q first. I've alternated between the two and though about maxing Q first when I read the MF guide saying to max W first on MF. Why the inconsistency between the two AD carries?
mf w applies passive dot to auto attacks which basically give you a free bf sword at lvl 9
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On April 05 2012 20:56 obesechicken13 wrote:Show nested quote +On April 05 2012 20:49 turdburgler wrote:On April 05 2012 20:35 obesechicken13 wrote:On April 05 2012 20:24 CreationSoul wrote:
i have been playing lots of tristana lately... and i have some mixted feelings about her
- i hate her early: squishy, must farm A LOT, when she is ganked she dies.....
- i love her late-game: as an AD carry, she can do lots and lots of damage.... her ultimate is really good if user corectly and her steroid ability is wonderful.
- she is very mana-hungry until level 10 or so.....
I haven't found a build that i am totally satisfied with..... but i am getting there. 1. What AD doesn't need to farm a lot? I'm actually curious. Does Kog's ult or Ez's Q make them viable mid game so they're useful before lots of farm? Does Graves' AD scaling on buckshot and his ult? 2. How does she die more to ganks than other champions? I find it very easy to just rocket jump away. I always tell my allies to focus the support when I'm ganking trist as a jungler. 3. I don't have the mana problems. Her Q should be maxed first imo. Her E provides like 110 damage at level 1 and +30 damage for every level past that. A 1 point wonder used for the explosive harass. I have some mana regen runes though. 4. I like getting phage for the slow then Iedge followed by two PDancers with greaves and a vamp scepter thrown in. I think LW is a suitable replacement for the second pdancer in some games. Ended up going 15-4 in my last game, from something like 5-4. Our team was up an overall 8 kills when we won. i dont think anyone else maxes q first, i think most people max e for more explosive harras when both ads are farming creeps, even if the use barely gets stronger. I'm actually curious as to why no one else maxes Q first. I've alternated between the two and though about maxing Q first when I read the MF guide saying to max W first on MF. Why the inconsistency between the two AD carries?
Because Trist is a burst caster during early game, and maxing Q doesn't change that. Maxing W on MF increases her DPS way more than maxing Q on Trist (again, only for earlygame). So you maximize your burst on Trist for the first few levels.
Now sometimes you want to switch away from maxing E or W on Trist before you hit lvl 9. You can focus on burst until lvl 6 or 7 and then max Q. That way Q still is sufficiently high by the time you get big damage items.
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