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Node
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States2159 Posts
April 04 2012 23:58 GMT
#3921
On April 05 2012 07:50 JBright wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 05 2012 07:43 obesechicken13 wrote:
On April 05 2012 07:35 JBright wrote:
On April 05 2012 07:32 FakeSteve[TPR] wrote:
On April 04 2012 17:26 Ryuu314 wrote:
On April 04 2012 16:42 JackDino wrote:
On April 04 2012 08:49 BlackPaladin wrote:
If AD malz becomes a thing I'm seriously going to drive to Two_Down's and smack him upside the head. Even with today's gas prices.

I dunno I think ad malz is better than ad kennen and that became a thing aswell. Also ad sona.

AD sona with triforce is legit man. You have hella burst and you push down towers crazy fast.


AD sona is dead. RIP AD sona


Replace AD sona with AD lulu and no one will complain.

Lulu gets between 5*3 and 39*3 bonus magic damage on every attack (assuming they aren't blocked). I guess that's decent as far as AD steroids go. The question is whether the rest of her kit makes her comparable to the standard AD carries. That and her range isn't amazing and her AS scaling is probably inferior to the standard ADs. Has anyone had any success as AD lulu?


I'm not really saying it's good, just that more people will complain about AD sona compared to AD lulu since we don't see AD lulu enough to know if it can work.


For what it's worth, earlier today Voyboy took Lulu top on his stream and beat a Renekton pretty badly. Her early levels look hella scary.
whole lies with a half smile
cLutZ
Profile Joined November 2010
United States19574 Posts
April 04 2012 23:58 GMT
#3922
On April 05 2012 08:13 Eppa! wrote:
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On April 05 2012 08:05 cLutZ wrote:
On April 05 2012 07:14 wei2coolman wrote:
On April 05 2012 06:09 tobi9999 wrote:
On April 05 2012 05:56 wei2coolman wrote:
I don't think anyone disagrees with the fact Annie is god tier outside lanephase, similar to singed, but its just hard to get to that point.


her lane phase is retardedly good. 625 range auto attacks are nothing to laugh at -_-
also, what do people really mean when they say lane phase? On some champions once you hit 6 you can just leave lane and give up your tower to roam bot/enemy jungle for kills.


There's no way annie is going to be getting away with a lot of cs, against alot of the current ap meta, without being poked out of lane, ie ziggs, cass, anivia, ahri, and so on.

Even if she can get out of lane post6, there are champions post6 that just wreck her in this category, and still win lanephase easier.

The reason I say god tier, is because in teamfights, There aren't taht many ap mid champs that can keep up with annie's raw burst* aoe damage, and cc. A tibbers stun onto multiple people is nothing to laugh at.


Tibbers is awesome.

IMO the only real problem right now is Annie's passive stun mechanic. Getting 5 stacks is easy, but a good AP Mid player will force you to waste in on minions more often than not (just played a game where I just pushed annie to tower with morgana and lawled around ganking, granted that annie sucked, but thats not the point). Making the stun only proc on champs would probably be too OP, on the other hand, letting you save it somehow would be super helpful.

Short range, weak poke, mediocre AP ratios, no mobility. She has a bunch of problems basically between 7-12 something are her "power levels". Anivia has better control and scaling. Kennen has stronger scaling and is only slightly weaker mid game, Ahri has spammable poke and mobility. Annie isn't bad but she wallows around in mediocrity much like Xin Zhao and Lux.


AP ratios arent that bad, but the rest seem like features rather than bugs/problems.

Annie IS squishy/susceptible to ganks and harassment.

She SHOULD have powerful burst (and does) and be nearly impossible to trade against, but because the passive is too passive, she can't do that.
Freeeeeeedom
Two_DoWn
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States13684 Posts
April 05 2012 00:02 GMT
#3923
On April 05 2012 08:13 Eppa! wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 05 2012 08:05 cLutZ wrote:
On April 05 2012 07:14 wei2coolman wrote:
On April 05 2012 06:09 tobi9999 wrote:
On April 05 2012 05:56 wei2coolman wrote:
I don't think anyone disagrees with the fact Annie is god tier outside lanephase, similar to singed, but its just hard to get to that point.


her lane phase is retardedly good. 625 range auto attacks are nothing to laugh at -_-
also, what do people really mean when they say lane phase? On some champions once you hit 6 you can just leave lane and give up your tower to roam bot/enemy jungle for kills.


There's no way annie is going to be getting away with a lot of cs, against alot of the current ap meta, without being poked out of lane, ie ziggs, cass, anivia, ahri, and so on.

Even if she can get out of lane post6, there are champions post6 that just wreck her in this category, and still win lanephase easier.

The reason I say god tier, is because in teamfights, There aren't taht many ap mid champs that can keep up with annie's raw burst* aoe damage, and cc. A tibbers stun onto multiple people is nothing to laugh at.


Tibbers is awesome.

IMO the only real problem right now is Annie's passive stun mechanic. Getting 5 stacks is easy, but a good AP Mid player will force you to waste in on minions more often than not (just played a game where I just pushed annie to tower with morgana and lawled around ganking, granted that annie sucked, but thats not the point). Making the stun only proc on champs would probably be too OP, on the other hand, letting you save it somehow would be super helpful.

Short range, weak poke, mediocre AP ratios, no mobility. She has a bunch of problems basically between 7-12 something are her "power levels". Anivia has better control and scaling. Kennen has stronger scaling and is only slightly weaker mid game, Ahri has spammable poke and mobility. Annie isn't bad but she wallows around in mediocrity much like Xin Zhao and Lux.

you do know that when HSGG got challenged by that random annie the entirety of CLG laughed at him for picking Anivia because she is so weak in lane.
"What is the air speed velocity of an unladen courier?" "Dire or Radiant?"
BlackMagister
Profile Joined October 2008
United States5834 Posts
April 05 2012 00:23 GMT
#3924
Yeah and HSGG won. The rest of CLG commented that the Annie was doing some cheesy things like getting sorc boots and a lot of potions. The Annie also tried to zone HSGG which is not smart in a real game, but since it was a 1v1 all of these things were possible.
Two_DoWn
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States13684 Posts
April 05 2012 00:24 GMT
#3925
On April 05 2012 09:23 BlackMagister wrote:
Yeah and HSGG won. The rest of CLG commented that the Annie was doing some cheesy things like getting sorc boots and a lot of potions. The Annie also tried to zone HSGG which is not smart in a real game, but since it was a 1v1 all of these things were possible.

Missed the point. The important bit in that story isnt that hs beat a 1200 player in lane. Its that objectively the conclusion was annie beats anivia.
"What is the air speed velocity of an unladen courier?" "Dire or Radiant?"
MooMooMugi
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United States10531 Posts
April 05 2012 00:28 GMT
#3926
It also seemed like HSGG wasn't trying as hard as he could have esp. against a player of that caliber
|LoL & SC2 IGN both my username| Just livin' the baylife| Hearthstone ID: MooMooMugi#1544| Dank Memer since 2011
gtrsrs
Profile Joined June 2010
United States9109 Posts
April 05 2012 00:28 GMT
#3927
On April 05 2012 09:24 Two_DoWn wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 05 2012 09:23 BlackMagister wrote:
Yeah and HSGG won. The rest of CLG commented that the Annie was doing some cheesy things like getting sorc boots and a lot of potions. The Annie also tried to zone HSGG which is not smart in a real game, but since it was a 1v1 all of these things were possible.

Missed the point. The important bit in that story isnt that hs beat a 1200 player in lane. Its that objectively the conclusion was annie beats anivia.


O_o
but that didn't happen
i play ... hearthstone =\^.^/= Winterfox
Two_DoWn
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States13684 Posts
April 05 2012 00:31 GMT
#3928
On April 05 2012 09:28 gtrsrs wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 05 2012 09:24 Two_DoWn wrote:
On April 05 2012 09:23 BlackMagister wrote:
Yeah and HSGG won. The rest of CLG commented that the Annie was doing some cheesy things like getting sorc boots and a lot of potions. The Annie also tried to zone HSGG which is not smart in a real game, but since it was a 1v1 all of these things were possible.

Missed the point. The important bit in that story isnt that hs beat a 1200 player in lane. Its that objectively the conclusion was annie beats anivia.


O_o
but that didn't happen

It didnt happen cuz hotshot is, ya know, good. And the other person was like 1200 elo. HSGG could beat a 1200 elo player with eve ffs.
"What is the air speed velocity of an unladen courier?" "Dire or Radiant?"
nojitosunrise
Profile Joined August 2011
United States6188 Posts
April 05 2012 00:32 GMT
#3929
hecarim

jadoth
Profile Joined December 2011
694 Posts
April 05 2012 00:33 GMT
#3930
On April 05 2012 09:24 Two_DoWn wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 05 2012 09:23 BlackMagister wrote:
Yeah and HSGG won. The rest of CLG commented that the Annie was doing some cheesy things like getting sorc boots and a lot of potions. The Annie also tried to zone HSGG which is not smart in a real game, but since it was a 1v1 all of these things were possible.

Missed the point. The important bit in that story isnt that hs beat a 1200 player in lane. Its that objectively the conclusion was annie beats anivia.


i don't think that conclusion is all that accurate. eggs cd is about equal to that of flash and double that of tibbers. its going to be really hard for annie to kill anivia and assuming anivia gets blue she will be able to push annie into turret and i would say she is in genral much better in teamfights.
Two_DoWn
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States13684 Posts
April 05 2012 00:35 GMT
#3931
On April 05 2012 09:33 jadoth wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 05 2012 09:24 Two_DoWn wrote:
On April 05 2012 09:23 BlackMagister wrote:
Yeah and HSGG won. The rest of CLG commented that the Annie was doing some cheesy things like getting sorc boots and a lot of potions. The Annie also tried to zone HSGG which is not smart in a real game, but since it was a 1v1 all of these things were possible.

Missed the point. The important bit in that story isnt that hs beat a 1200 player in lane. Its that objectively the conclusion was annie beats anivia.


i don't think that conclusion is all that accurate. eggs cd is about equal to that of flash and double that of tibbers. its going to be really hard for annie to kill anivia and assuming anivia gets blue she will be able to push annie into turret and i would say she is in genral much better in teamfights.

Take it up with chaonoob.
"What is the air speed velocity of an unladen courier?" "Dire or Radiant?"
arb
Profile Blog Joined April 2008
Noobville17921 Posts
April 05 2012 00:51 GMT
#3932
On April 05 2012 09:32 nojitosunrise wrote:
hecarim

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IAAT68detiU

looks cool
Artillery spawned from the forges of Hell
Kenpachi
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
United States9908 Posts
April 05 2012 00:56 GMT
#3933
On April 05 2012 09:32 nojitosunrise wrote:
hecarim

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IAAT68detiU

I hope hes exactly what he looks like
a blue Mordekaiser
Nada's body is South Korea's greatest weapon.
gtrsrs
Profile Joined June 2010
United States9109 Posts
April 05 2012 01:06 GMT
#3934
does hecarim have a skull for a dick, literally protruding out from his crotch
i play ... hearthstone =\^.^/= Winterfox
BlackMagister
Profile Joined October 2008
United States5834 Posts
April 05 2012 01:13 GMT
#3935
You're looking at him wrong. He is a centaur. The two right skulls are his front and back left leg (from his perspective). His crotch area is glowing blue with a red cloth below his right hand.
turdburgler
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
England6749 Posts
April 05 2012 01:16 GMT
#3936
so your saying hes got a horse for a dick
jadoth
Profile Joined December 2011
694 Posts
April 05 2012 01:17 GMT
#3937
seeing as he is a centaur his crotch area is between his hind legs and our sight of it is blocked by his front left leg.
Juddas
Profile Joined January 2011
768 Posts
April 05 2012 01:19 GMT
#3938
I bought lee sin the other day, and for the first few games I hated him and thought he was too hard, but now that I've played a few, I must say I am in love. He is so fun and does a lot of damage. Just a fun fun champ that I think should be played more. His ganks too stronk
BlackMagister
Profile Joined October 2008
United States5834 Posts
April 05 2012 01:21 GMT
#3939
I wasn't aware crotch referred to your genital area. I thought it just referred to a place between your legs.
HazMat
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States17077 Posts
April 05 2012 01:22 GMT
#3940
On April 05 2012 10:19 Juddas wrote:
I bought lee sin the other day, and for the first few games I hated him and thought he was too hard, but now that I've played a few, I must say I am in love. He is so fun and does a lot of damage. Just a fun fun champ that I think should be played more. His ganks too stronk


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