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On April 05 2012 01:45 JackDino wrote:Show nested quote +On April 05 2012 01:44 TheYango wrote:On April 05 2012 01:37 wussleeQ wrote:sorry. i think my wording was off there. I meant, because the super creeps are constantly pushing whatever rax is down, the team that took the rax down probably won't be farming that lane because it will be almost always pushed. Therefore, even though the team lost the rax, they can constantly farm that lane at a 50% loss on minion gold. Does the rax that gets downed reduce gold for every lane? or just the one with the downed rax? If it's the second one wouldn't they somewhat be able to stay even? I'm actually not sure I should probably play more dota to find out though lol  If the enemy team is turtling in their base, why do you have to wait for lanes to push to your side of the river to farm them? The game where clg played a poking comp against 4not, they practically couldnt farm while 4not was just farming in their base. How would you restack your bt in such a scenario if you were to die, all the minions inside the enemy base. Wondering because this happens every now and then to me, aside from jungle creeps.
They changed BT to lose only half stacks upon death. So a jungle clear gets you halfway there, and a full clear restacks it entirely.
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I don't want more ways for comebacks though, I want games to end fast when one team screw up royally.
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On April 05 2012 02:17 Juicyfruit wrote:
I don't want more ways for comebacks though, I want games to end fast when one team screw up royally.
Why u wanna make yourself lose so much?
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Has anyone been getting MoM, when and with/against who?
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Edit - doesn't belong in GD.
Reconsidered after post.
Mordek too fast.
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On April 05 2012 02:26 mordek wrote:
Has anyone been getting MoM, when and with/against who?
I get it a lot when laning as a melee AD against an AP hero. Hexdrinker is a good upgrade for Null-Magic Mantle after getting a couple Doran's Blades to add to your survivability in early-mid game. Then you can get Mercs, some more damage/health/resists, and finish out Maw whenever you feel like the extra damage will help a lot. It is especially good on heroes like Riven, Lee Sin, Olaf, and Pantheon because either your kit, your usual build, or both include lifesteal and/or shields, both of which increase your survivability at low health, which lets you hit the higher +AD values on Maw for a longer period of time. Basically anyone who scales ridiculously well off of bonus AD and could use extra effective health against magic damage can make use of this item. I think I listed the four best.
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On April 05 2012 02:37 yamato77 wrote:Show nested quote +On April 05 2012 02:26 mordek wrote:
Has anyone been getting MoM, when and with/against who? I get it a lot when laning as a melee AD against an AP hero. Hexdrinker is a good upgrade for Null-Magic Mantle after getting a couple Doran's Blades to add to your survivability in early-mid game. Then you can get Mercs, some more damage/health/resists, and finish out Maw whenever you feel like the extra damage will help a lot. It is especially good on heroes like Riven, Lee Sin, Olaf, and Pantheon because either your kit, your usual build, or both include lifesteal and/or shields, both of which increase your survivability at low health, which lets you hit the higher +AD values on Maw for a longer period of time. Basically anyone who scales ridiculously well off of bonus AD and could use extra effective health against magic damage can make use of this item. I think I listed the four best.
Trynda is pretty good at being at low health too ;D Never played trynda with MoM, but in theory it should be great
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I've gotten MoM a few times, it's mostly against other AP Bruisers up in top lane. WW, Rumble, even Swain.
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It's actually not that good on Trynd, for similar reasons on why it's not that good on Mundo.
Trynd scales off AS, and PD + LW/IE + QSS are much stronger overall than hexdrinker builds. It's not terrible, but definitely not optimal.
Mundo also scales off AS, so wit's end or zeke's are much better for him. Wit's end in particular is strictly better than hexdrinker/MoM for mundo.
In addition to the champs listed above, MoM is pretty good on Renekton too. Usually built only against double AP teams.
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Why is veigar such a rare pick in tournament play? His stun is amazing and the burst ridicolous. Whenever I see jiji or froggen play him they a dominating one-shotting people left and right
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On April 05 2012 02:59 Keniji wrote:
Why is veigar such a rare pick in tournament play? His stun is amazing and the burst ridicolous. Whenever I see jiji or froggen play him they a dominating one-shotting people left and right
He's made for late game. His early is his weakest phase and if you somehow get behind, it's hard to catch up.
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On April 05 2012 02:59 Keniji wrote:
Why is veigar such a rare pick in tournament play? His stun is amazing and the burst ridicolous. Whenever I see jiji or froggen play him they a dominating one-shotting people left and right
Poor laning (better now, but dominated by a lot of popular pick like Cass and Kennen, Ryze to a lesser extent)
Long CDs means no consistent damage after initial burst
Super squishy and no escape after stun is used
Easily countered by Qss/bv
He's fine, just very situational in 5s and tourney play, and terrible as an early pick
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Vegiar stun is one of the best non-ults in the game, but his damage is purely single target with very long cds. He also has an atrocious early laning phase. (Compared to LB, who is also a single-target assassin but has a very strong laning phase.)
If you pick him it's more for his stun, and not so much for his burst. Every popular AP when fed will murder people.
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On April 04 2012 17:35 Noocta wrote:Show nested quote +On April 04 2012 12:36 overt wrote:On April 04 2012 10:23 Jaso wrote:
So I was just thinking about this..
a while back ago, why was everyone saying Veigar was awful and one of the worst AP carries? 'Cause Veigar's laning sucks. And it still sucks. Literally one of the worst AP mid lanes you can play. Fucking Ryze is a better laner than Veigar. Combine his terrible laning with the fact that all he can really do in a team fight is single target burst someone down in terms of damage and that's a pretty big reason why he was considered underpowered for so long. I don't think he's bad. I just don't think he brings anything to the table that other APs can't do better. Almost every AP has a better lane phase, every other bursty AP except Leblanc does AoE burst, and champions like Ryze are stronger than him late game anyways. Literally every reason people can come up with for why Annie is underplayed can be applied to Veigar but Annie's lane phase is a lot better and her team fighting is also a lot better imo. The only reason Annie is underplayed is because she's boring as hell.I remember after they overbuff her a fe month ago. She was everyhere, in any game. And you could be very bad and still roll over people because they buffed her so hard. Then people realized she was still boring and now nobody play her anymore.
Her buffs weren't that out of line to be honest. And her nerfs following her buffs weren't that major at all. Certainly not enough to make a champion go from "omg op" to "omg never play her." Also, while how boring or fun a champion is seems completely dependent on personal opinion I'd have to disagree with the sentiment that Annie is boring considering how insanely popular she is. There's a reason she has more skins than anyone and it's the same reason Teemo has the second most. She's a popular well liked champion that does see a lot of play still albeit in normals and low elo.
Her reasons for falling off are exactly the same as the reasons that Veigar was underplayed for so long. Bad lane match ups and over reliance on your full burst to be useful in fights. However, Annie is substantially better in both lane phase and team fights but at the cost of having a smaller stun radius. The whole reason Annie was brought up was to make this comparison, Annie and Veigar play really similar and fulfill sort of the same role (fight initiator, instagibber).
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SK vs fnatic now.
Looks like EC Skyyart is ringing for SK.
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