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Two_DoWn
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States13684 Posts
April 04 2012 15:43 GMT
#3761
On April 05 2012 00:41 ManyCookies wrote:
Well, here's his recent Anivia guide. Interesting rationale behind his choices.

lol. Good one.

I got Kassadin with Clarity, Flash, Berserker's Greaves, Archangel's Staff, Banshee's Veil, Atma's Impaler, Force of Nature and Nashor's Tooth, Max: Q. Somehow I think I could make that work.
"What is the air speed velocity of an unladen courier?" "Dire or Radiant?"
turdburgler
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
England6749 Posts
April 04 2012 15:43 GMT
#3762
On April 05 2012 00:32 ManyCookies wrote:
How about it has 3-4 seperate "Auto-attacks" that can attack the same person, but prioritizes distributing the attacks with more than one person. Say they do 40% of Baron's current damage; a soloist is going to take a looot of damage, and a duo group will take more damage than currently. But the damage to the team will be relatively spread out.


he already does this with that wrath of the something debuff? you take stacking bonus damage from him but the debuff runs out if another person comes in to help tank him.
Sandster
Profile Joined November 2006
United States4054 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-04-04 15:47:31
April 04 2012 15:47 GMT
#3763
On the topic of comebacks - this is also why buybacks should never be implemented - if you are behind, there's a chance you have a really good teamfight where everything go your way, and you take some objectives and global gold and get back in the game. But with buybacks, it'd be very very difficult to win 2 consecutive teamfights, especially when your cds are down.

Also buybacks foster the whole "I'll split push this lane and get a ton of gold, then when I die I'll just buyback and go to my team that's currently doing baron".
Two_DoWn
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States13684 Posts
April 04 2012 15:48 GMT
#3764
Ya I'm not a huge fan of buybacks, even in dota. If you want that, run revive and lose one of your summoners.
"What is the air speed velocity of an unladen courier?" "Dire or Radiant?"
Erasme
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Bahamas15899 Posts
April 04 2012 15:48 GMT
#3765
On April 05 2012 00:15 obesechicken13 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 04 2012 23:57 Erasme wrote:
They should allow bb btw. It's silly how just one bad fight can lead you to a nexus rush.

This isn't dota.

I know that this isn't dota, but if bb was in the game, don't you think that engaging baron/losing a fight at baron would be less prejudiciable ?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d7lxwFEB6FI “‘Drain the swamp’? Stupid saying, means nothing, but you guys loved it so I kept saying it.”
Eppa!
Profile Joined November 2010
Sweden4641 Posts
April 04 2012 15:55 GMT
#3766
On April 05 2012 00:48 Erasme wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 05 2012 00:15 obesechicken13 wrote:
On April 04 2012 23:57 Erasme wrote:
They should allow bb btw. It's silly how just one bad fight can lead you to a nexus rush.

This isn't dota.

I know that this isn't dota, but if bb was in the game, don't you think that engaging baron/losing a fight at baron would be less prejudiciable ?

I think BB would be good but should cost more than DotA with a longer cd. If buyback it should help with turtling until team respawns
"Can't wait till Monday" Cixah+Waveofshadow. "Needs to be monday. Weekend please go by quickly." Gahlo
nosliw
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
United States2716 Posts
April 04 2012 16:06 GMT
#3767
in dota, losing raxes (inhib) means 50% minion gold, and it's permanent. The turtling team gets considerably less gold income, making defensive BB harder to sustain.
wussleeQ
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
United States3130 Posts
April 04 2012 16:08 GMT
#3768
On April 04 2012 22:55 Two_DoWn wrote:
http://na.leagueoflegends.com/board/showthread.php?p=22759734#post22759734

My baron buff post. Kind of interested to see how bad the responses are to it.

crap i accidentally downvoted i'd give +10 if i could... i agree with these points though. there's just too much pressure to baron late game and a lot of pro games seem to always boil down at baron
BW -> League -> CSGO
Caphe
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
Vietnam10817 Posts
April 04 2012 16:10 GMT
#3769
I dont know why people want bb in LoL. You can comeback way easier in LoL than in DOTA thats why if you are ahead you still need to play extremelly well if you want to win. Thats what make LoL exciting.
For people saying that just one ace and you are out, well, ofc you are out, if somehow people ace you team with more than 2 people of their own left when they were behind they deserve the win.
Terran
iCanada
Profile Joined August 2010
Canada10660 Posts
April 04 2012 16:13 GMT
#3770
On April 05 2012 00:41 ManyCookies wrote:
Well, here's his recent Anivia guide. Interesting rationale behind his choices.


These things never get me anything super trolly unless I refresh like 100 times.

Talon with Ignite, Ghost, Boots of Mobility, Sword of the Occult, Chalice of Harmony, Bloodthirster, Warmog's Armor and Aegis of the Legion, Max: W

I can honestly say I could make that work fairly easily.
wussleeQ
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
United States3130 Posts
April 04 2012 16:13 GMT
#3771
On April 05 2012 01:06 nosliw wrote:
in dota, losing raxes (inhib) means 50% minion gold, and it's permanent. The turtling team gets considerably less gold income, making defensive BB harder to sustain.

my dota knowledge is kinda low but since that lane will now constantly push doesn't that mean they get more gold in the end? then again... the other team does have more control over roshan/jungle so i guess they end up behind...
BW -> League -> CSGO
Two_DoWn
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States13684 Posts
April 04 2012 16:15 GMT
#3772
On April 05 2012 01:13 iCanada wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 05 2012 00:41 ManyCookies wrote:
Well, here's his recent Anivia guide. Interesting rationale behind his choices.


These things never get me anything super trolly unless I refresh like 100 times.

Talon with Ignite, Ghost, Boots of Mobility, Sword of the Occult, Chalice of Harmony, Bloodthirster, Warmog's Armor and Aegis of the Legion, Max: W

I can honestly say I could make that work fairly easily.

Thats not trolly at all. It would be a boss pubstomping build.
"What is the air speed velocity of an unladen courier?" "Dire or Radiant?"
Doctorbeat
Profile Joined May 2011
Netherlands13241 Posts
April 04 2012 16:22 GMT
#3773
On April 05 2012 01:13 iCanada wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 05 2012 00:41 ManyCookies wrote:
Well, here's his recent Anivia guide. Interesting rationale behind his choices.


These things never get me anything super trolly unless I refresh like 100 times.

Talon with Ignite, Ghost, Boots of Mobility, Sword of the Occult, Chalice of Harmony, Bloodthirster, Warmog's Armor and Aegis of the Legion, Max: W

I can honestly say I could make that work fairly easily.


I got the ultimate turret pusher

Malzahar with Flash, Promote, Boots of Swiftness, Guinsoo's Rageblade, Wit's End, Tiamat, Aegis of the Legion and Banshee's Veil, Max: W
- TEAM LIQUID - doctorbeat on LoL
iCanada
Profile Joined August 2010
Canada10660 Posts
April 04 2012 16:27 GMT
#3774
On April 05 2012 01:15 Two_DoWn wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 05 2012 01:13 iCanada wrote:
On April 05 2012 00:41 ManyCookies wrote:
Well, here's his recent Anivia guide. Interesting rationale behind his choices.


These things never get me anything super trolly unless I refresh like 100 times.

Talon with Ignite, Ghost, Boots of Mobility, Sword of the Occult, Chalice of Harmony, Bloodthirster, Warmog's Armor and Aegis of the Legion, Max: W

I can honestly say I could make that work fairly easily.

Thats not trolly at all. It would be a boss pubstomping build.


I know right?

I can't decide if this means RNG loves or hates me...

-.-
phyvo
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
United States5635 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-04-04 16:29:21
April 04 2012 16:28 GMT
#3775
On April 05 2012 01:13 wussleeQ wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 05 2012 01:06 nosliw wrote:
in dota, losing raxes (inhib) means 50% minion gold, and it's permanent. The turtling team gets considerably less gold income, making defensive BB harder to sustain.

my dota knowledge is kinda low but since that lane will now constantly push doesn't that mean they get more gold in the end? then again... the other team does have more control over roshan/jungle so i guess they end up behind...


Note that he says 50% minion gold.

Also, RNG hates me, it gave me DFG/void staff vayne.
"BE A MANGO TO SLEEP LIKE A SNORING TIGER" - Monte
wussleeQ
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
United States3130 Posts
April 04 2012 16:37 GMT
#3776
sorry. i think my wording was off there. I meant, because the super creeps are constantly pushing whatever rax is down, the team that took the rax down probably won't be farming that lane because it will be almost always pushed. Therefore, even though the team lost the rax, they can constantly farm that lane at a 50% loss on minion gold. Does the rax that gets downed reduce gold for every lane? or just the one with the downed rax? If it's the second one wouldn't they somewhat be able to stay even? I'm actually not sure I should probably play more dota to find out though lol
BW -> League -> CSGO
TheYango
Profile Joined September 2008
United States47024 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-04-04 16:48:51
April 04 2012 16:44 GMT
#3777
On April 05 2012 01:37 wussleeQ wrote:
sorry. i think my wording was off there. I meant, because the super creeps are constantly pushing whatever rax is down, the team that took the rax down probably won't be farming that lane because it will be almost always pushed. Therefore, even though the team lost the rax, they can constantly farm that lane at a 50% loss on minion gold. Does the rax that gets downed reduce gold for every lane? or just the one with the downed rax? If it's the second one wouldn't they somewhat be able to stay even? I'm actually not sure I should probably play more dota to find out though lol

If the enemy team is turtling in their base, why do you have to wait for lanes to push to your side of the river to farm them?

On April 05 2012 01:10 Caphe wrote:
I dont know why people want bb in LoL. You can comeback way easier in LoL than in DOTA thats why if you are ahead you still need to play extremelly well if you want to win. Thats what make LoL exciting.

No you can't. Even buybacks aside, there are WAY more mechanics in DotA that encourage comebacks than in LoL.

I PMed someone an enormous post a while back about how LoL is much more snowbally than DotA is. I could post it, but it might cause some discussion that might not be suitable for this thread.
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JackDino
Profile Joined July 2010
Gabon6219 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-04-04 16:50:48
April 04 2012 16:45 GMT
#3778
On April 05 2012 01:44 TheYango wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 05 2012 01:37 wussleeQ wrote:
sorry. i think my wording was off there. I meant, because the super creeps are constantly pushing whatever rax is down, the team that took the rax down probably won't be farming that lane because it will be almost always pushed. Therefore, even though the team lost the rax, they can constantly farm that lane at a 50% loss on minion gold. Does the rax that gets downed reduce gold for every lane? or just the one with the downed rax? If it's the second one wouldn't they somewhat be able to stay even? I'm actually not sure I should probably play more dota to find out though lol

If the enemy team is turtling in their base, why do you have to wait for lanes to push to your side of the river to farm them?

The game where clg played a poking comp against 4not, they practically couldnt farm while 4not was just farming in their base. How would you restack your bt in such a scenario if you were to die, all the minions inside the enemy base. Wondering because this happens every now and then to me, aside from jungle creeps.
This isnt Broodwar so I dont owe anyone respect for beating me. -arb
TheYango
Profile Joined September 2008
United States47024 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-04-04 16:55:11
April 04 2012 16:50 GMT
#3779
The other relevant thing about DotA is that the amount of gold in the jungle is WAY more than in LoL. If your team clears the enemy jungle entirely every minute, that's about 770 gold. By comparison, 2 super creep waves is less than 400 gold.

Being able to farm both jungles outweighs being able to always have one lane pushed farmable at 50% gold.
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miicah
Profile Joined February 2011
Australia2470 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-04-04 17:14:25
April 04 2012 17:11 GMT
#3780
CLG.eu about to start this fnatic cup.

Not sure who they are vs'ing first up, don't recognise any of the names.

http://fnatic.com/news/9699/play-raidcall-lol-cup-day-2-tonight.html
@miicah88
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