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On March 21 2012 06:09 JBright wrote:http://www.hltv.org/forum/117965-taz-about-csgo-liveMore newcomers into competitive LoL? I don't follow CS that closely so I have no idea who Taz and Neo are. CS:GO still has a ways to go so Valve can make improvements to keep them in playing CS.
They just won IEM Hannover
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I've just noticed that Swain price is 4800 IP and I'd swear it it was still 6300 earlier today. Was the reduction announced somewhere? Is it a bug?
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On March 21 2012 06:26 NpG)Explosive wrote:
I've just noticed that Swain price is 4800 IP and I'd swear it it was still 6300 earlier today. Was the reduction announced somewhere? Is it a bug?
I think it's going to be announced. There's a thread on reddit about Swain and Galio being reduced.
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Tryndamere hints that big things are coming
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Prediction: Co-op vs AI bots jungle now.
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On March 21 2012 04:31 Two_DoWn wrote:Show nested quote +On March 21 2012 04:23 TheYango wrote:On March 21 2012 04:21 Carnivorous Sheep wrote:On March 21 2012 03:54 TheYango wrote:
Perhaps Moonbear or someone else could shed light on this, but I don't see the reasoning behind bigger items being more cost-effective than (or hell, even comparably cost-effective to) their smaller, early game counterparts. "Slots taken" is in essence a resource in and of itself, and it seems silly to me that higher slot-efficiency shouldn't come with a tradeoff in gold efficiency. Slot efficiency is, in my view, less of an issue in LoL than DotA. At the top level, games tend to be decided relatively early, when people have at most 2 big items finished with a few doran items/boots added in, with advantages gained in teamfights during that stage just rippling out to effectively end the game right there. So there's really no "incentive" to build bigger items if they didn't come with increased gold efficiency, since slot efficiency is rarely a limiting factor, at least compared to DotA. This all comes with lack of buyback and the comparatively smaller map where one-two midgame fights really does decide the game in so many cases. That's the exact problem that I feel more cost-efficient mid-tier items would address. It's not the only way to address it, but it has comparatively few negative tradeoffs with regard to creating bad gameplay in other aspects of the game. I dont think this is a problem though. We saw TSM whine their asses off about snowballing post Kiev, then we went into the Kings of Europe and saw a ton of good comebacks. Even Hannover wasnt about snowballing- it was about good teams beating on bad ones. One of the biggest things atm is that people STILL suck at lol. You see so much bad play, even at a competitve level, not to mention the fact that people STILL arent sure how to properly evaluate objectives. Look at CLG: SV goes out in his daily and basically says Dragon is worthless- and they proved that in their game vs aAa. Also, I think your itemization idea would make the problem WORSE. If you want to minimzie the amount of an effect a gold lead has, why would you make it so that it costs LESS for people to take advantage of an advantage. You should be trying to make good items harder to get, not easier. As is you need to hit 3k+ to get an IE. Imagine if there was a midgame item that did 75% of IE for 50% of the cost. Then you start combining that with other cheap but good alternatives. Games would be over as soon as someone got to 1500 gold, not 3000.
Regarding dragon, are you talking about this game? I don't think it's fair to look at that game as proof that dragon is worthless. CLG gave away the first dragon, but then aAa gave away first blood plus two more kills during an attempt to contest CLG's blue. Essentially, aAa lost the advantage they gained from killing dragon (and botched their attempt to pick up the second dragon). The fact that dragon doesn't singlehanded decide games and can be risky to take is something any decent player could tell you.
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On March 21 2012 06:17 RouaF wrote:b tier team stomping clg.eu who are clearly overrated 
Assuming sarcasm, but aAa is pretty strong.
Pretty close game I thought, but I didn't really pay too much attention. Trying to read and watch streams is hard :S.
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On March 21 2012 06:33 arnath wrote:Prediction: Co-op vs AI bots jungle now.
Prediction: Conqueration!
On March 21 2012 06:38 GreenManalishi wrote:Show nested quote +On March 21 2012 06:17 RouaF wrote:b tier team stomping clg.eu who are clearly overrated Assuming sarcasm, but aAa is pretty strong. Pretty close game I thought, but I didn't really pay too much attention. Trying to read and watch streams is hard :S.
Making fun of TwoDown because he said aAa is a b-tier european team
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I like their style of foregoing dragon when they aren't in position but sometimes I think they ignore it a little too much in games. It seems like they make zero effort to even get into position and only take it if an enemy is dead or they happen to be there. Even with a better team comp/fight, they would still ignore it and essentially give the other team a free dragon when they didn't have to. If you can take top tower for a dragon, I think that's a good/equal trade, but that only happens once. It's only there until it dies, in which case they should be contesting more often each time afterwards if their team comp allows for it.
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midweek champion sales now? to match the skin sale, interesting.
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On March 21 2012 06:26 NpG)Explosive wrote:
I've just noticed that Swain price is 4800 IP and I'd swear it it was still 6300 earlier today. Was the reduction announced somewhere? Is it a bug?
Somewhere Nyan Cat is puking rainbows.
Also, just had a game where the enemy Garen went Atmaws (this is what I will call Atmas + Maw + Warmogs). I'm getting sick of Riot giving bruisers more tools to be invulnerable while taking nothing away.
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aAa too strong.
Also I dunno what happened to CLGeu but ever since Hannover they've been playing really really badly. Both Snoopeh and Wickd seem to be doing braindead desicions all the time.
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On March 21 2012 06:39 Shikyo wrote:Show nested quote +On March 21 2012 06:33 arnath wrote:Prediction: Co-op vs AI bots jungle now. Prediction: Conqueration! Show nested quote +On March 21 2012 06:38 GreenManalishi wrote:On March 21 2012 06:17 RouaF wrote:b tier team stomping clg.eu who are clearly overrated Assuming sarcasm, but aAa is pretty strong. Pretty close game I thought, but I didn't really pay too much attention. Trying to read and watch streams is hard :S. Making fun of TwoDown because he said aAa is a b-tier european team
Well, typically you would have to say something that the other party would find embarrassing to make fun of them.
Last I checked, aAa STILL didnt magically win anything in the time before they had a semi-decent showing at IEM Hannover, but people wanted to call them the best team in the world. You are still a b tier team until you prove otherwise. At IEM, they took one step toward proving otherwise, and the other day they took yet another that probably put the over the top.
But then again, the EU scene has a lot of teams that make it very hard to judge how good they actually are. They constantly beat up on each other so you think they are all decent, then everyone not named M5 go out to IEM and get curbstomped by CLG and Dignitas.
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I've noticed dyrus getting an early red pot fairly often. when is that a good idea?
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On March 21 2012 06:42 Slusher wrote:
midweek champion sales now? to match the skin sale, interesting.
You may be interested to note that Lulu release has a lot of quiet fanfare.
- New Splash Art and Music
- Yordle Skin Sale
- Yordle Champion Sale
- Red/Green/Blue Pot are now mushrooms
- Swain and Galio Price Reductions
On March 21 2012 06:33 arnath wrote:Prediction: Co-op vs AI bots jungle now.
EDIT: This is just me speculating nvm.
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Just had a Nasus when I was playing Singed top lane. Easiest lane in my life.
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Just bought Vladimir three hours ago.
A lot of Dominion later, I can safely say that the only reason that I lost was because it's Vayne free week.
(As in the other team has good Vaynes and ours is a habitual suicider)
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Ok weird bug just happened. Upgraded my tear to AA on Karthus, lost all bonus mana. Wat...now with AA, counter just started from 0. I was up like 800 mana and now it's 32 >_>
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Use your E more often, especially when you're heading bot and have a blue buff sitting on yo fat ass. Also, it's great in situations like when Brand was low at that tower: E in range, R, Q, Ignite would have killed him right there. I know Gragas is your main, just pointing out some things I noticed.
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