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On March 21 2012 07:19 Erasme wrote: Just had a Nasus when I was playing Singed top lane. Easiest lane in my life.
Nasus straight up loses to all but 2-3 tops in the game without heavy jungler interference or misplay. But if left alone he'll hit a point where nobody pushes him out of lane because of imba sustain, and kills/forces you back whenever he feels like creeps aren't worth Qing any more.
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On March 21 2012 07:34 Amui wrote:Show nested quote +On March 21 2012 07:19 Erasme wrote: Just had a Nasus when I was playing Singed top lane. Easiest lane in my life. Nasus straight up loses to all but 2-3 tops in the game without heavy jungler interference or misplay. But if left alone he'll hit a point where nobody pushes him out of lane because of imba sustain, and kills/forces you back whenever he feels like creeps aren't worth Qing any more.
This isn't really true. Having to play passive doesn't mean you lose the lane. There are a select few who can actually harass nasus enough where he can't just farm at his side of the lane.
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On March 21 2012 07:12 Chiharu Harukaze wrote:Show nested quote +On March 21 2012 06:42 Slusher wrote: midweek champion sales now? to match the skin sale, interesting. You may be interested to note that Lulu release has a lot of quiet fanfare. - New Splash Art and Music
- Yordle Skin Sale
- Yordle Champion Sale
- Red/Green/Blue Pot are now mushrooms
- Swain and Galio Price Reductions
Show nested quote +On March 21 2012 06:33 arnath wrote:On March 21 2012 06:31 nojitosunrise wrote: Tryndamere hints that big things are coming
Prediction: Co-op vs AI bots jungle now. EDIT: This is just me speculating nvm. I am waiting patiently for that Swain price drop to show up
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On March 21 2012 06:58 Two_DoWn wrote:Show nested quote +On March 21 2012 06:39 Shikyo wrote:On March 21 2012 06:33 arnath wrote:Prediction: Co-op vs AI bots jungle now. Prediction: Conqueration! On March 21 2012 06:38 GreenManalishi wrote:On March 21 2012 06:17 RouaF wrote:b tier team stomping clg.eu who are clearly overrated  Assuming sarcasm, but aAa is pretty strong. Pretty close game I thought, but I didn't really pay too much attention. Trying to read and watch streams is hard :S. Making fun of TwoDown because he said aAa is a b-tier european team Well, typically you would have to say something that the other party would find embarrassing to make fun of them. Last I checked, aAa STILL didnt magically win anything in the time before they had a semi-decent showing at IEM Hannover, but people wanted to call them the best team in the world. You are still a b tier team until you prove otherwise. At IEM, they took one step toward proving otherwise, and the other day they took yet another that probably put the over the top. But then again, the EU scene has a lot of teams that make it very hard to judge how good they actually are. They constantly beat up on each other so you think they are all decent, then everyone not named M5 go out to IEM and get curbstomped by CLG and Dignitas. oh come on dude. aaa was dominating every other european team with their new lineup before iem. thats why everyone called you out on calling aaa a b-tier team.
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teemo isn't the game but a hunter??
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On March 21 2012 07:50 De4ngus wrote:Show nested quote +On March 21 2012 06:58 Two_DoWn wrote:On March 21 2012 06:39 Shikyo wrote:On March 21 2012 06:33 arnath wrote:Prediction: Co-op vs AI bots jungle now. Prediction: Conqueration! On March 21 2012 06:38 GreenManalishi wrote:On March 21 2012 06:17 RouaF wrote:b tier team stomping clg.eu who are clearly overrated  Assuming sarcasm, but aAa is pretty strong. Pretty close game I thought, but I didn't really pay too much attention. Trying to read and watch streams is hard :S. Making fun of TwoDown because he said aAa is a b-tier european team Well, typically you would have to say something that the other party would find embarrassing to make fun of them. Last I checked, aAa STILL didnt magically win anything in the time before they had a semi-decent showing at IEM Hannover, but people wanted to call them the best team in the world. You are still a b tier team until you prove otherwise. At IEM, they took one step toward proving otherwise, and the other day they took yet another that probably put the over the top. But then again, the EU scene has a lot of teams that make it very hard to judge how good they actually are. They constantly beat up on each other so you think they are all decent, then everyone not named M5 go out to IEM and get curbstomped by CLG and Dignitas. oh come on dude. aaa was dominating every other european team with their new lineup before iem. thats why everyone called you out on calling aaa a b-tier team. They dominated them in scrims and go4lols. Which are meaningless. Qualifiers: where V8 has gotten through in America.
Riveting. Sign me up for that, they are GUARANTEED to win the biggest tournament of the year! Who needs actual results in tournament play?
I mean, how can any team who wins scrims and go4lols get crushed by CLG.US and Dignitas!?!
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I think reducing Galio's and Swain's prices is a very good idea. These two are really underplayed and 6300IP might be one of the reasons.
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On March 21 2012 07:55 Two_DoWn wrote:Show nested quote +On March 21 2012 07:50 De4ngus wrote:On March 21 2012 06:58 Two_DoWn wrote:On March 21 2012 06:39 Shikyo wrote:On March 21 2012 06:33 arnath wrote:Prediction: Co-op vs AI bots jungle now. Prediction: Conqueration! On March 21 2012 06:38 GreenManalishi wrote:On March 21 2012 06:17 RouaF wrote:b tier team stomping clg.eu who are clearly overrated  Assuming sarcasm, but aAa is pretty strong. Pretty close game I thought, but I didn't really pay too much attention. Trying to read and watch streams is hard :S. Making fun of TwoDown because he said aAa is a b-tier european team Well, typically you would have to say something that the other party would find embarrassing to make fun of them. Last I checked, aAa STILL didnt magically win anything in the time before they had a semi-decent showing at IEM Hannover, but people wanted to call them the best team in the world. You are still a b tier team until you prove otherwise. At IEM, they took one step toward proving otherwise, and the other day they took yet another that probably put the over the top. But then again, the EU scene has a lot of teams that make it very hard to judge how good they actually are. They constantly beat up on each other so you think they are all decent, then everyone not named M5 go out to IEM and get curbstomped by CLG and Dignitas. oh come on dude. aaa was dominating every other european team with their new lineup before iem. thats why everyone called you out on calling aaa a b-tier team. They dominated them in scrims and go4lols. Which are meaningless. Qualifiers: where V8 has gotten through in America. Riveting. Sign me up for that, they are GUARANTEED to win the biggest tournament of the year! Who needs actual results in tournament play? I mean, how can any team who wins scrims and go4lols get crushed by CLG.US and Dignitas!?!
Didn't they just stomp sennheiser cup without losing a game and trollbuilding half the time?
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On March 21 2012 07:55 Two_DoWn wrote:Show nested quote +On March 21 2012 07:50 De4ngus wrote:On March 21 2012 06:58 Two_DoWn wrote:On March 21 2012 06:39 Shikyo wrote:On March 21 2012 06:33 arnath wrote:Prediction: Co-op vs AI bots jungle now. Prediction: Conqueration! On March 21 2012 06:38 GreenManalishi wrote:On March 21 2012 06:17 RouaF wrote:b tier team stomping clg.eu who are clearly overrated  Assuming sarcasm, but aAa is pretty strong. Pretty close game I thought, but I didn't really pay too much attention. Trying to read and watch streams is hard :S. Making fun of TwoDown because he said aAa is a b-tier european team Well, typically you would have to say something that the other party would find embarrassing to make fun of them. Last I checked, aAa STILL didnt magically win anything in the time before they had a semi-decent showing at IEM Hannover, but people wanted to call them the best team in the world. You are still a b tier team until you prove otherwise. At IEM, they took one step toward proving otherwise, and the other day they took yet another that probably put the over the top. But then again, the EU scene has a lot of teams that make it very hard to judge how good they actually are. They constantly beat up on each other so you think they are all decent, then everyone not named M5 go out to IEM and get curbstomped by CLG and Dignitas. oh come on dude. aaa was dominating every other european team with their new lineup before iem. thats why everyone called you out on calling aaa a b-tier team. They dominated them in scrims and go4lols. Which are meaningless. Qualifiers: where V8 has gotten through in America. Riveting. Sign me up for that, they are GUARANTEED to win the biggest tournament of the year! Who needs actual results in tournament play? I mean, how can any team who wins scrims and go4lols get crushed by CLG.US and Dignitas!?! wtf? who said they were guaranteed to win? people just said they were one of the strongest european teams and not b-tier.
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Yep, also aAa knew they were going to hannover basically 1 week before the event and therefore couldn't look at US teams at all, will be interesting to see what they do at IPL4 when they actually are fully prepared.
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the argument seems rather silly because it basically comes down to differing definitions of "b-team" (i think). as far as i can tell, aaa is pretty much the #3 european team after CLG EU and M5 (am i forgetting anyone?), but Two_Down seems to consider any team that isn't a serious contender for best team in the world a b-tier team (not that that's necessarily wrong, but really which teams would you call a-tier? it seems rather narrow to exclude aaa, to me)
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It was a factor of they hadnt DONE anything yet, so it was too early to crown them as one of the 2-3 best teams in the region. That isnt fair to the teams who DID have actual results.
Now they have actually pulled some results together and looked strong against good competition in tournament play, so you can call them A tier, something I would agree with.
But before Hannover they hadnt, they were just a b tier team who had the potential to make the leap. But you can only make that leap by PROVING you deserve it, not by getting people to talk about you.
Remember how the Philadelphia Eagles were supposed to win the Super Bowl this year because of all the star players they put together and how strong the team looked? Didnt quite happen that way.
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On March 21 2012 08:36 Two_DoWn wrote: It was a factor of they hadnt DONE anything yet, so it was too early to crown them as one of the 2-3 best teams in the region. That isnt fair to the teams who DID have actual results.
Now they have actually pulled some results together and looked strong against good competition in tournament play, so you can call them A tier, something I would agree with.
But before Hannover they hadnt, they were just a b tier team who had the potential to make the leap. But you can only make that leap by PROVING you deserve it, not by getting people to talk about you.
Remember how the Philadelphia Eagles were supposed to win the Super Bowl this year because of all the star players they put together and how strong the team looked? Didnt quite happen that way. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=316853¤tpage=5
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On March 21 2012 08:47 De4ngus wrote:Show nested quote +On March 21 2012 08:36 Two_DoWn wrote: It was a factor of they hadnt DONE anything yet, so it was too early to crown them as one of the 2-3 best teams in the region. That isnt fair to the teams who DID have actual results.
Now they have actually pulled some results together and looked strong against good competition in tournament play, so you can call them A tier, something I would agree with.
But before Hannover they hadnt, they were just a b tier team who had the potential to make the leap. But you can only make that leap by PROVING you deserve it, not by getting people to talk about you.
Remember how the Philadelphia Eagles were supposed to win the Super Bowl this year because of all the star players they put together and how strong the team looked? Didnt quite happen that way. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=316853¤tpage=5 Now your just bringing up stuff I already said I didnt put stock in: qualifiers and weekly mini tournaments. Quals have a history of getting a little wonky at times.
As for weekly tourneys: the only teams that take them seriously them are A) shitty teams that want to practice and get stomped by big names every week, or B) new teams (like aAa) who have new lineups and need to iron out their teamwork. There is literally no other reason to submit yourself to 14 hours of pubstomping to hit one good team, at which point you are already exhausted and bored.
Look: you arent going to be able to change my mind on this- aAa WAS NOT an A tier european team going into Hannover. They were too new and too untested on lan. They proved there that they could play with the big boys, and in the Hear To WIn they proved they could BEAT the big boys.
I would call them A tier now.
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The difference between meh Noc and "This guy's actually cool!" seems to lie in your teammate's ability to follow your ganks. Idiot who confirms he's got mana and stuff off cd who you ask in vocal to cast charm to combo with your fear and prefer to try wisps to secure the kill for himself -> 100% sure kill gank fails, you get killed instead, he keeps on playing like that and you get bored. Random pubber who understands when you ping people and try to get into position to surprise people, or when you explain that your ult is too low level to bypass the good warding of the enemy support, hence you can only pry to pressure enemy botlane and ease yours' csing -> fun game with teamwork and stuff.
Now I know why he didn't seem too fun the first time I tried him.
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going into hannover i'm pretty sure alex ich said that aAa was the only team they were worried about
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I feel like this blue buff nerf is only the first of many. I know it disproportionately effects midlane champs, but if they finish nerfing it they can then rebalance the champs properly, along with some items that are just completely worthless as long as it exists.
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ok i cant tell if phreak is trolling when he says he plays Lulu as a jungler... i want to say he is... especially since he built a madreds razor but I dont know if he would tacitly troll when some idiot is going to take him seriously
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