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TheYango
Profile Joined September 2008
United States47024 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-04-02 15:14:47
April 02 2012 15:14 GMT
#3301
On April 03 2012 00:07 Seuss wrote:
[*]You don't build Soul Shroud second because doubling up on health items is bad on support champions, you need other defenses to survive.

And what resists item are you going to buy that's actually really useful? Realistically speaking you're just going to buy small resist items just to buffer your resists rather than committing a full item because none of the big resist items are worth your gold to finish. It doesn't preclude the possibility of getting Shroud.

The only exception to this is Aegis--but I've been saying jungle or top should get Aegis for months now.
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sob3k
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
United States7572 Posts
April 02 2012 15:16 GMT
#3302
On April 03 2012 00:00 TheYango wrote:
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On April 02 2012 23:36 sob3k wrote:
Health Mana Regen and CDR are great for lane, but it gives fucxking 520 health, which is way more than you need. If they just changed the recipe or reduced the combine cost a huge amount, and reduced the health by like half, I would buy it all the time in mana hungry lanes.

What? CDR is a great stat lategame. It does very little in lane because you're not chain-casting things on CD in lane.

Any one of your 5 team members being able to get off an extra round of abilities can be absolutely game-changing in a lategame teamfight.



I never said CDR wasnt good lategame :/
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Chiharu Harukaze
Profile Joined September 2011
12112 Posts
April 02 2012 15:26 GMT
#3303
On April 03 2012 00:14 TheYango wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 03 2012 00:07 Seuss wrote:
[*]You don't build Soul Shroud second because doubling up on health items is bad on support champions, you need other defenses to survive.

And what resists item are you going to buy that's actually really useful? Realistically speaking you're just going to buy small resist items just to buffer your resists rather than committing a full item because none of the big resist items are worth your gold to finish. It doesn't preclude the possibility of getting Shroud.

The only exception to this is Aegis--but I've been saying jungle or top should get Aegis for months now.

Just to follow up on what I said earlier. Soul Shroud is good. It's just that Shurelya comes at a much higher priority because it's almost broken for how good it is. Locket is also more favourable just because it builds out of the HoG you'll likely have lying around, while Aegis is much cheaper for the Ruby Crystal if you have a solo Ruby in your inventory. There's also the problem that a lot of junglers or tops don't do so. Obviously, in arranged 5s things would be different. But then in that case, why not get Soul Shroud on, say, Olaf? I dunno, I just find it hard to justify certain purchases on gold starved supports, that's all.
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TheYango
Profile Joined September 2008
United States47024 Posts
April 02 2012 15:30 GMT
#3304
On April 03 2012 00:26 Chiharu Harukaze wrote:
Just to follow up on what I said earlier. Soul Shroud is good. It's just that Shurelya comes at a much higher priority because it's almost broken for how good it is. Locket is also more favourable just because it builds out of the HoG you'll likely have lying around, while Aegis is much cheaper for the Ruby Crystal if you have a solo Ruby in your inventory. There's also the problem that a lot of junglers or tops don't do so. Obviously, in arranged 5s things would be different. But then in that case, why not get Soul Shroud on, say, Olaf? I dunno, I just find it hard to justify certain purchases on gold starved supports, that's all.

Because if the support buys Soul Shroud, Olaf can turn his Kindlegem into Zeke's.
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Two_DoWn
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States13684 Posts
April 02 2012 15:31 GMT
#3305
Aegis just doesnt have a spot. Top cant get it because they need to itemize to survive their lane, and they will nit be in fights until too late for aegis to have any noticable effect. Its still free resists, but far past its optimal state.

Jungle doesnt really want it most of the time because there are better buy options for one of the nosr gold starved roles.

Realistically support should get it because it does the most good for bot lane with 2 people constantly getting the aura, and they will be in every drag fight, unlike top.
"What is the air speed velocity of an unladen courier?" "Dire or Radiant?"
JackDino
Profile Joined July 2010
Gabon6219 Posts
April 02 2012 15:32 GMT
#3306
On April 02 2012 17:28 JackDino wrote:
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On April 02 2012 17:13 Serpico wrote:
going 10/2/5 as panth with the 3rd highest CS and losing hurts man ;___;. A free farmed mord hurts so damn bad.

There's your problem, 10/2/5 while letting a morde free farm. Also wrong thread.

User was warned for this post

zzz getting warned for telling someone he posted in the wrong thread, my bad. Guy that posts in the wrong thread not warned, also my bad?
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Lounge
Profile Joined November 2011
537 Posts
April 02 2012 15:35 GMT
#3307
Soul Shroud is great if you're laning with an Urgot.

I could maybe see it for Graves lane too but that's really about it.
spinesheath
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
Germany8679 Posts
April 02 2012 15:39 GMT
#3308
On April 03 2012 00:14 TheYango wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 03 2012 00:07 Seuss wrote:
[*]You don't build Soul Shroud second because doubling up on health items is bad on support champions, you need other defenses to survive.

And what resists item are you going to buy that's actually really useful? Realistically speaking you're just going to buy small resist items just to buffer your resists rather than committing a full item because none of the big resist items are worth your gold to finish. It doesn't preclude the possibility of getting Shroud.

The only exception to this is Aegis--but I've been saying jungle or top should get Aegis for months now.

In the odd case that you have the money AND need to build an actual defensive item (Zeke's, Aegis, Locket all have defensive stats and aren't as awful as Soul Shroud) on supports AND the proper item is not QSS, chances are you should get a GA.
If you have a good reason to disagree with the above, please tell me. Thank you.
TheYango
Profile Joined September 2008
United States47024 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-04-02 15:45:27
April 02 2012 15:43 GMT
#3309
On April 03 2012 00:31 Two_DoWn wrote:
Jungle doesnt really want it most of the time because there are better buy options for one of the nosr gold starved roles.

You say this all the time, but I honestly think that Aegis is a great item for a gold-starved role, because even just the self-stat efficiency is really good.

You're basically not paying anything in terms of gold-value for the aura because Aegis is self-stat efficient. It's only drawback is that as a 2k gold item, it's not slot-efficient, but the gold-starved nature of junglers means that slot-efficiency doesn't even come into play until later in the game, if at all.
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Mogwai
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
United States13274 Posts
April 02 2012 15:45 GMT
#3310
On April 03 2012 00:43 TheYango wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 03 2012 00:31 Two_DoWn wrote:
Jungle doesnt really want it most of the time because there are better buy options for one of the nosr gold starved roles.

You say this all the time, but I honestly think that Aegis is a great item for a gold-starved role, because even just the self-stat efficiency is really good.

yea, Aegis is really good efficiency and the stat spread is awesome. No idea why so many people snub that item so much.
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JackDino
Profile Joined July 2010
Gabon6219 Posts
April 02 2012 15:47 GMT
#3311
On April 03 2012 00:45 Mogwai wrote:
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On April 03 2012 00:43 TheYango wrote:
On April 03 2012 00:31 Two_DoWn wrote:
Jungle doesnt really want it most of the time because there are better buy options for one of the nosr gold starved roles.

You say this all the time, but I honestly think that Aegis is a great item for a gold-starved role, because even just the self-stat efficiency is really good.

yea, Aegis is really good efficiency and the stat spread is awesome. No idea why so many people snub that item so much.

Because only 8 AD for 2k goldz and no AP!! Always been getting aegis vs very mixed damage types since like forever.
This isnt Broodwar so I dont owe anyone respect for beating me. -arb
Dandel Ion
Profile Joined November 2010
Austria17960 Posts
April 02 2012 15:49 GMT
#3312
I really want to go on a tanget about itemization of junglers and supports, and how backwards the logic of getting Aegis on supports only is, but then I realized that it's T_D, and it wouldn't do anything.
A backwards poet writes inverse.
Alaric
Profile Joined November 2009
France45622 Posts
April 02 2012 15:58 GMT
#3313
I always get Aegis on Trundle, but would prefer warmogs if I can on Olaf, and on the junglers on whom it'd make the most sense (tanky/support junglers) I usually want some cdr early on, sadly (ie Maokai and mostly Nautilus in my case, W cd too long).
I think I could just swallow it and rush aegis, but I'd probably need to adjust my playstyle to go with it (less offensive efficiency on Olaf, jungler a lot slowlier on Naut, or less damage w/o wit's, same with Maokai as GS provides mana). Could prob build it just fine on Noc too.

Actually, as I re-read myself, I sound a lot like soloQ mentality, my profit and what would profit me the most, instead of the team. I'd be willing to guess that that flawed thought-process is the most widespread.
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Seuss
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States10536 Posts
April 02 2012 15:59 GMT
#3314
On April 03 2012 00:14 TheYango wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 03 2012 00:07 Seuss wrote:
[*]You don't build Soul Shroud second because doubling up on health items is bad on support champions, you need other defenses to survive.

And what resists item are you going to buy that's actually really useful? Realistically speaking you're just going to buy small resist items just to buffer your resists rather than committing a full item because none of the big resist items are worth your gold to finish. It doesn't preclude the possibility of getting Shroud.

The only exception to this is Aegis--but I've been saying jungle or top should get Aegis for months now.


You might not commit to a full item, but whatever you do build is generally enough of a delay that the third bullet point begins to apply. You're not going to grab Cloth Armor + Mantle and sit on those to start building Shroud, because once you add a Ruby Crystal to the mix Aegis is an extremely good pick up unless someone else is already grabbing it.
"I am not able to carry all this people alone, for they are too heavy for me." -Moses (Numbers 11:14)
Dandel Ion
Profile Joined November 2010
Austria17960 Posts
April 02 2012 16:01 GMT
#3315
On April 03 2012 00:58 Alaric wrote:
I always get Aegis on Trundle, but would prefer warmogs if I can on Olaf, and on the junglers on whom it'd make the most sense (tanky/support junglers) I usually want some cdr early on, sadly (ie Maokai and mostly Nautilus in my case, W cd too long).
I think I could just swallow it and rush aegis, but I'd probably need to adjust my playstyle to go with it (less offensive efficiency on Olaf, jungler a lot slowlier on Naut, or less damage w/o wit's, same with Maokai as GS provides mana). Could prob build it just fine on Noc too.

Actually, as I re-read myself, I sound a lot like soloQ mentality, my profit and what would profit me the most, instead of the team. I'd be willing to guess that that flawed thought-process is the most widespread.

Mh, it's okay to be like that in soloq

The problem is that most people carry that mentality over to arranged 5's too
A backwards poet writes inverse.
seppolevne
Profile Blog Joined February 2009
Canada1681 Posts
April 02 2012 16:11 GMT
#3316
The jungler is also ganking most often (usually) so he can get the most out of the aura.
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Mondeezy
Profile Joined August 2011
United States1938 Posts
April 02 2012 16:16 GMT
#3317
When do they announce what champs are on sale for next week? I'm not sure if I should spend my 500 RP on Maokai, but I don't want to wait until the sale is over only to see that next week's champ sales are ones I either already have or cost like 1350 IP.
LoL NA: Mondeezy - TL - Riven <3
BlueSpace
Profile Joined May 2011
Germany2182 Posts
April 02 2012 16:26 GMT
#3318
Aura items should go on supports. Supports don't have money because they need to buy wards and don't get farm. Also you need to build HoG/Philo to be able to ward later without taking creeps, that imo is the reason why everything that doesn't build from these items is underused. An Aegis is nice, but effectively it's much more expensive than a Shur. Assume you finished Philo you need an additional 1350g to complete Shur while it takes you 1925g to buy Aegis. Also please keep in mind that supports get less money so 600g is actually a much bigger deal than for the other "farming" roles.
One way to change that would be to have jungle/top/mid/ad buy wards, which would allow your support to itemize better for aura items, which I think would even make sense.
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Sandster
Profile Joined November 2006
United States4054 Posts
April 02 2012 16:32 GMT
#3319
On April 03 2012 01:16 Mondeezy wrote:
When do they announce what champs are on sale for next week? I'm not sure if I should spend my 500 RP on Maokai, but I don't want to wait until the sale is over only to see that next week's champ sales are ones I either already have or cost like 1350 IP.


They won't announce new sales until the old ones are over (Wed onwards). They'll always have 6300 champs on sale.

General advice is to be patient until a champ you actually want is on sale.
Mondeezy
Profile Joined August 2011
United States1938 Posts
April 02 2012 16:33 GMT
#3320
On April 03 2012 01:32 Sandster wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 03 2012 01:16 Mondeezy wrote:
When do they announce what champs are on sale for next week? I'm not sure if I should spend my 500 RP on Maokai, but I don't want to wait until the sale is over only to see that next week's champ sales are ones I either already have or cost like 1350 IP.


They won't announce new sales until the old ones are over (Wed onwards). They'll always have 6300 champs on sale.

General advice is to be patient until a champ you actually want is on sale.


Great -- thank you sir.
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