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TheKefka
Croatia11752 Posts
On April 02 2012 21:35 Two_DoWn wrote: I think sona would be a much better champ if they just removed her auras and let her go around power cording shit. She would be a better ad than ezreal rofl... | ||
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Alaric
France45622 Posts
Then again, I'm bad at hitting Q on champs with her; maybe I'm just that bad, even, but I find its targeting mechanic all but ideal save for the occasional opportunity, and I can barely hit it w/o overexposing myself to poke and hits (it's got a good range, but since it's easy for minions to get in the way...). So her harass/poke doesn't seem that good to me in laning unless you manage to really zone your opponent first, or spend a good deal of mana setting up lots of powerchord (be it W before a trade or Q when they go to last hit). Edit: and don't get me wrong, I agree that her laning needed to be nerfed. I just think they overdid it, by nerfing everything, and nerfing it quite non-trivially. Obviously this is not the only factor in her loss of popularity at the top level but I definitely think that the fact everything took a hit had a greater role in it that the extent on any of her individual skills. | ||
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Dandel Ion
Austria17960 Posts
On April 02 2012 21:53 BlueSpace wrote: I can see where you are coming from but regarding the auras I think you got that backwards. Her early lvl auras were changed a lot and her late game auras are unchanged after the recent nerf. Patch Notes (Nautilus): Power Chord damage adjusted to 10 per level from 14 + 9 per level Hymn of Valor passive attack damage and ability power aura reduced at earlier ranks to 4/8/12/16/20 from 8/11/14/17/20 Aria of Perseverance passive armor and magic resist aura reduced at earlier ranks to 3/6/9/12/15 from 7/9/11/13/15 Song of Celerity passive movement speed aura reduced at earlier ranks to 4/8/12/16/20 from 8/11/14/17/20 So I think that she is still strong as soon as you hit the later phase of laning but you don't have that insane lvl1/2 damage on her anymore. I used to start with q but now I'm experimenting with w and even e. Although e needs a non-retarded ad, that actually knows when to chase to get a few more shots in after the power chord slow and that usually doesn't work in solo q. Yeah her auras are almost balanced now. The thing about auras is that most of them are OP as fuck. They just don't seem that strong because they don't really directly affect gameplay. Is Janna's shield really good? Anybody would answer yes. And it just got nerfed, and still is strong. Sora's armor buff on the heal? Everyone sees how people go from "shit I take so much damage" to "lol I'm tank now" Is Taric's W SOOO STROOONG? Most people say "lolwat". But it's free armor on your carry (permanently now!) and an armor debuff on the enemy by the same amount. Meaning your carry does tons of damage while being tanky as hell. And the consensus seems to be "meh" Exaplos dos: Aegis. Holy, so OP. Get Aegis on Taric for Aura Madness. Get Aegis always. Never should noone on your team get aegis. The balancing problem is that auras that are NOT worlds of OP just don't get built (see Soul Shroud, where the aura is okay, maybe even strong, but the rest of the item is useless. Soul Shroud is still worth the buy, but nobody will ever buy it.) Just because people don't see the aura doing anything. But people buy Locket on supports because "haha 100 hp as a shield, gud item", when the shield is absolutely negligable, because it's usually only grazed on 2-3 people anyways. (obvious exaggeration, locket is only bought because it can build from HoG) tl; dr -> People are stupid, auras are OP | ||
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Craton
United States17303 Posts
Yes, most people severely undervalue auras. | ||
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emucxg
Finland4559 Posts
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Caphe
Vietnam10817 Posts
So please tell me your tips when using smart cast as well as which champs really benifit from it and which don't. Thanks a bunch!! | ||
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Craton
United States17303 Posts
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Gondlem
Australia642 Posts
The abilities where it's more personal preference are skillshots. It's kinda easier to hit some skillshots if they aren't smartcast, or at least it takes a while to get used to smartcasting them. Either way, judging by the number of high ELO and professional players who don't smartcast, I doubt it's going to make or break your play. | ||
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BlueSpace
Germany2182 Posts
On April 02 2012 22:09 Alaric wrote: Ah, yes. That's what I meant, sorry: she isn't any weaker lategame than before, but one of the reasons why she was picked, aka "extremely strong lane phase", isn't relevant anymore (hence my comment about her level 1-2 W, since except if you max it first it won't get past that level in the laning phase). Then again, I'm bad at hitting Q on champs with her; maybe I'm just that bad, even, but I find its targeting mechanic all but ideal save for the occasional opportunity, and I can barely hit it w/o overexposing myself to poke and hits (it's got a good range, but since it's easy for minions to get in the way...). So her harass/poke doesn't seem that good to me in laning unless you manage to really zone your opponent first, or spend a good deal of mana setting up lots of powerchord (be it W before a trade or Q when they go to last hit). Edit: and don't get me wrong, I agree that her laning needed to be nerfed. I just think they overdid it, by nerfing everything, and nerfing it quite non-trivially. Obviously this is not the only factor in her loss of popularity at the top level but I definitely think that the fact everything took a hit had a greater role in hit that the extent on any of her individual skills. She is a utility support champion now and a buff bot. Most of her kill potential is gone, so if people want to run "passive" lanes, they just pick Soraka because she offers the best sustain. Aggressive lanes take Janna/Nunu/Ali. I think you're right though that she doesn't "fit" at the moment. On April 02 2012 22:34 Craton wrote: I smart cast nearly every targeted ability, especially spammy ones like Ryze Q and Cass E. I do both on skill shots and all ultimates. I used to think that any ability can be smartcast... and then Lulu came along. I need those damn arrows for her q because it's just not possible to predict that in your head if you want to take full advantage of both bolts. | ||
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Chiharu Harukaze
12112 Posts
On April 02 2012 22:30 Caphe wrote: I have a question about smart cast. I've been playing on and off for over a year now. I am currently 1500+ elo and I've never used smart cast -_-. I have no doubt that smart cast is better than normal cast in many situation. I want to start practice it. So please tell me your tips when using smart cast as well as which champs really benifit from it and which don't. Thanks a bunch!!
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Two_DoWn
United States13684 Posts
On April 02 2012 22:30 Caphe wrote: I have a question about smart cast. I've been playing on and off for over a year now. I am currently 1500+ elo and I've never used smart cast -_-. I have no doubt that smart cast is better than normal cast in many situation. I want to start practice it. So please tell me your tips when using smart cast as well as which champs really benifit from it and which don't. Thanks a bunch!! Dont smartcast simply for the sake of smartcasting. A lot of good players dont use it at all, and even more only smartcast certain abilities. You should have a reason for switching when it comes to each skill. Personally, I smartcasted everything for ~3 months and am now in the process of switching back on a lot of skills simply because quite often the benifits dont exceed the loss of accuracy. But the best way to go about learning is simply to do it on a champ you already know so that you dont have to worry about ranges. No need to make it more difficult by having to guess range AND get used to the feel. | ||
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Craton
United States17303 Posts
On April 02 2012 22:48 BlueSpace wrote: I used to think that any ability can be smartcast... and then Lulu came along. I need those damn arrows for her q because it's just not possible to predict that in your head if you want to take full advantage of both bolts. Yes it is. You just have to get used to how wide the fork splits based on your cursor placement. | ||
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Juicyfruit
Canada5484 Posts
Soul shroud is so underused it's actually a little mindblowing. | ||
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Two_DoWn
United States13684 Posts
Also is sound messed up for anyone else on the carry stream? | ||
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zodde
Sweden1908 Posts
On April 02 2012 22:49 Chiharu Harukaze wrote:
Could be wrong, but Viktor's E has the same kind of targeting as Rumble's Ult, right? Never played viktor, but I'd guess you'd leave that one off smartcast as well. | ||
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Sabin010
United States1892 Posts
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BlueSpace
Germany2182 Posts
On April 02 2012 22:56 Juicyfruit wrote: Locket's pretty strong as an end-game item, l0l. Pop it when a teamfight is engaged and the shield lasts just long enough for at least 3 people to gain an extra 200HP which can really change the tide. Soul shroud is so underused it's actually a little mindblowing. Soul Shroud is underused because everybody has been convinced that blue buff is so strong that any kind of cdr itemization is unnecessary. Also getting an item like soul shroud gets the best benefit if the rest of the team adapts itemization and lol hasn't reached that level of coordination yet. The peak at the moment is that people communicate on who gets aegis if they get it at all... which brings us back to Auras... | ||
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Chiharu Harukaze
12112 Posts
On April 02 2012 22:56 Juicyfruit wrote: Soul shroud is so underused it's actually a little mindblowing. As Craton mentioned earlier, the CDR aura is only useful if your team members cast their spells while in range of you. CDR only applies at the moment of cast time, so if they cast something then move into range of you it does nothing. There's also the problem that Soul Shroud is competing with many other very good items in its price range. In fact, it's even more expensive than Shurelya, Aegis and Locket which makes it less appealing. For most games, you're not going to have enough money as the ward bitch to buy more than two big items. In fact, you might not even finish your boots upgrade. It also doesn't have an obvious item progression path. For instance, Shurlya and Locket build out of your gp10 items and Aegis is cheap enough that it's generally ok to float the component parts in your inventory. | ||
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sob3k
United States7572 Posts
On April 02 2012 23:15 zodde wrote: Could be wrong, but Viktor's E has the same kind of targeting as Rumble's Ult, right? Never played viktor, but I'd guess you'd leave that one off smartcast as well. Viktor E is actually IMO one of the best skills to smartcast in the game. It has no cast time so you want to cast it quickly while kiting, and it works great for smartcast, you just hit E then flick the mouse in the direction you want, works really well. Also reduces keystrokes from 3 to 1. I have had huge success with Viktor when everyone was complaining about his laning, and I think its because I have a much easier time landing E's. I hit a much higher percentage of them than most other skillshots because they are hard to dodge due to the enemy not being able to tell what direction they will move in, and the lack of any casting animation. Rumble ult got a bad rep with smartcast from a while back because it was glitched and didnt work properly with smartcast, but they have fixed that supposedly. I don't play Rumble so I don't know. | ||
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Two_DoWn
United States13684 Posts
Although I wish HSGG stopped talking in broken english. | ||
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