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Shanba
Profile Joined October 2010
Scotland144 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-02-27 07:18:38
February 27 2012 07:16 GMT
#3181
My biggest issue with thornmail is that the whole thing just seems a little schizophrenically designed. The passive is clearly strongest in lategame, but in lategame the whole 100 armour on a single slot thing starts seeming less useful with last whispers flying around left right and centre - and you've now got a 2k gold item in a slot with stats to match, when you could have a much more expensive and hence slot effective item in that slot instead.

EDIT: I guess a side problem is that with thornmail working the way it does, it makes it way more powerful against people who build tons of raw damage and no last whisper - i.e. people who don't know what they're doing. It's an order of magnitude stronger vs such players, and as such is gonna seem ridiculous in low elo if it becomes decent in high elo. But maybe Im overthinking it.
wei2coolman
Profile Joined November 2010
United States60033 Posts
February 27 2012 07:16 GMT
#3182
On February 27 2012 14:42 SnK-Arcbound wrote:
Hmm thornmail nerf?
Thornmail
Returned damage reduced to 15% instead of 30%
The damage is now returned as true damage instead of magic damage

What is the expected magic resist of a ranged ad carry?

edit: did some quick math. Better late game, worse early game. But late game the opponent is more likely to have more lifesteal because they finished their IE/PD. Someone like graves gets really close to the 50% magic damage reduction with just his passive and mr/lvl blues. You also need to consider your own armor, and how much the opponent would be lifestealing from you, which gives you 4 total variables you'd have to graph out.

Most mr for carries is either QSS or Banshee veil, which is 50 mr and 57 mr respectively.
liftlift > tsm
anmolsinghmzn2009
Profile Joined June 2011
India1783 Posts
February 27 2012 07:18 GMT
#3183
On February 27 2012 16:14 Requizen wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 27 2012 15:09 mr_tolkien wrote:
On February 27 2012 14:34 anmolsinghmzn2009 wrote:
Its like he gets demolished top lane.

Oh lol.
He's like the biggest lane bully atm and destroys anybody 1v1, which he can force XD Just take the right runes (armor/MR) and you're good to go. 0 need of offensive runes on him to destroy anybody.

Jax is the #1 sleeping OP atm. 2s full dodge is just retarded in teamfights, + AoE stun, + jump, + insane damage with rageblade, + ult to multiply that a little bit more... You just build him tank + rageblade and go melt faces.

I'm just so underwhelmed by him lately compared to other "hypercarries" that could be played top. He has very little sticking power (unless you grab a FMallet or something), no innate survival other than CS, and he just feels squishy unless you build tank, which sucks because you're encouraged to jump in on a carry every fight.

I dunno. Why would I play Jax when I can get the same or better performance out of Trynd, Riven, or someone else like that with less risk?


That's exactly what I feel like. The only reason I would pick him is because I really like him and I like him because he used to be so powerful & everything about him is supposed to be badass.
Dunk first. Ask questions while dunking.
TheYango
Profile Joined September 2008
United States47024 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-02-27 07:29:55
February 27 2012 07:25 GMT
#3184
IMO the best change they could make to Thornmail is the same change that was made to Blade Mail in DotA. Remove the passive (which is boring, and realistically is not that practically useful compared to other items that are more practically useful against physical damage dealers like Randuin and FHeart), and make an active that has a higher damage return over a short duration, which makes it situationally useful to take pressure off you in certain situations (e.g. activate for 60% damage reflect for 4 seconds, 1 min CD).

I don't understand why when Riot decided to copy Blade Mail to LoL, they decided to copy the shitty boring version of it that no one ever bought, rather than the remade version that was actually useful.
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gtrsrs
Profile Joined June 2010
United States9109 Posts
February 27 2012 07:36 GMT
#3185
On February 27 2012 16:25 TheYango wrote:
IMO the best change they could make to Thornmail is the same change that was made to Blade Mail in DotA. Remove the passive (which is boring, and realistically is not that practically useful compared to other items that are more practically useful against physical damage dealers like Randuin and FHeart), and make an active that has a higher damage return over a short duration, which makes it situationally useful to take pressure off you in certain situations (e.g. activate for 60% damage reflect for 4 seconds, 1 min CD).

I don't understand why when Riot decided to copy Blade Mail to LoL, they decided to copy the shitty boring version of it that no one ever bought, rather than the remade version that was actually useful.


i second this, only on the stipulation that it has a similar bad-ass-as-hell animation where spikes grow out of you on all sides and you're like COME@MEBRO.COM
i play ... hearthstone =\^.^/= Winterfox
Veclada
Profile Joined September 2010
742 Posts
February 27 2012 07:59 GMT
#3186
Im searching for this counter page from solomid wich i knew i saw a link to in this thread, but cant find it. Could anyone link it pls?
asdfg
sob3k
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
United States7572 Posts
February 27 2012 08:06 GMT
#3187
My winrate for support soraka, has climbed to 72%, significantly higher than any other role...wtf lol.

I guess you really can carry from support.
In Hungry Hungry Hippos there are no such constraints—one can constantly attempt to collect marbles with one’s hippo, limited only by one’s hippo-levering capabilities.
Zdrastochye
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Ivory Coast6262 Posts
February 27 2012 08:10 GMT
#3188
On February 27 2012 17:06 sob3k wrote:
My winrate for support soraka, has climbed to 72%, significantly higher than any other role...wtf lol.

I guess you really can carry from support.


Of course you can, plenty of people get their elo up only playing support.
Hey! How you doin'?
jadoth
Profile Joined December 2011
694 Posts
February 27 2012 08:15 GMT
#3189
On February 27 2012 16:36 gtrsrs wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 27 2012 16:25 TheYango wrote:
IMO the best change they could make to Thornmail is the same change that was made to Blade Mail in DotA. Remove the passive (which is boring, and realistically is not that practically useful compared to other items that are more practically useful against physical damage dealers like Randuin and FHeart), and make an active that has a higher damage return over a short duration, which makes it situationally useful to take pressure off you in certain situations (e.g. activate for 60% damage reflect for 4 seconds, 1 min CD).

I don't understand why when Riot decided to copy Blade Mail to LoL, they decided to copy the shitty boring version of it that no one ever bought, rather than the remade version that was actually useful.


i second this, only on the stipulation that it has a similar bad-ass-as-hell animation where spikes grow out of you on all sides and you're like COME@MEBRO.COM


just made me see if COME@MEBRO.COM was a real place
Akinokaze
Profile Joined March 2011
Australia326 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-02-27 08:18:35
February 27 2012 08:17 GMT
#3190
Ouch, another set of Sona nerfs.

Tristana:

It is now impossible to launch rocket jump if the game detects that the selected location will make you jump up.


Does this mean you can't rocket jump to high ground? (e.g up from baron/dragon cave)

How legit are these notes anyway? I thought patch notes were always released first on NA.

Edit: PBE got updated a few days a go with some of the same changes http://euw.leagueoflegends.com/board/showthread.php?t=601932
In the Emperor we trust
Seuss
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States10536 Posts
February 27 2012 08:29 GMT
#3191
On February 27 2012 16:25 TheYango wrote:
IMO the best change they could make to Thornmail is the same change that was made to Blade Mail in DotA. Remove the passive (which is boring, and realistically is not that practically useful compared to other items that are more practically useful against physical damage dealers like Randuin and FHeart), and make an active that has a higher damage return over a short duration, which makes it situationally useful to take pressure off you in certain situations (e.g. activate for 60% damage reflect for 4 seconds, 1 min CD).

I don't understand why when Riot decided to copy Blade Mail to LoL, they decided to copy the shitty boring version of it that no one ever bought, rather than the remade version that was actually useful.


Did the boring version also not return damage from spells? Thornmail would be considerably better if it wasn't limited to physical damage.
"I am not able to carry all this people alone, for they are too heavy for me." -Moses (Numbers 11:14)
Zdrastochye
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Ivory Coast6262 Posts
February 27 2012 08:40 GMT
#3192
Cept if it gave no MR and returned magic damage it'd be a bad item to build (assuming you were getting raped by magic). 20 stack leblanc at 25 minutes? Better build that thornmail...
Hey! How you doin'?
Terranasaur
Profile Joined May 2011
United States2085 Posts
February 27 2012 08:53 GMT
#3193
Can we talk about that IPL tourny coming up? Its been a while since there has been a legit LAN for us to attend... Vegas is only a few hours away from me and I'm thinking of heading down. Anyone else going?
Decisions Determine Destiny - Terranasaur#1719 D3 #557 SC2 3DS FC: 2423-3623-8068
Shikyo
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
Finland33997 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-02-27 09:11:54
February 27 2012 09:05 GMT
#3194
so they just seriously nerfed karma.

Took them many many months to even do anything to karma, probably the most underplayed champion in the game, and what do they do? Nerf her.

On February 27 2012 17:15 jadoth wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 27 2012 16:36 gtrsrs wrote:
On February 27 2012 16:25 TheYango wrote:
IMO the best change they could make to Thornmail is the same change that was made to Blade Mail in DotA. Remove the passive (which is boring, and realistically is not that practically useful compared to other items that are more practically useful against physical damage dealers like Randuin and FHeart), and make an active that has a higher damage return over a short duration, which makes it situationally useful to take pressure off you in certain situations (e.g. activate for 60% damage reflect for 4 seconds, 1 min CD).

I don't understand why when Riot decided to copy Blade Mail to LoL, they decided to copy the shitty boring version of it that no one ever bought, rather than the remade version that was actually useful.


i second this, only on the stipulation that it has a similar bad-ass-as-hell animation where spikes grow out of you on all sides and you're like COME@MEBRO.COM


just made me see if COME@MEBRO.COM was a real place
A place? That's an email address.
League of Legends EU West, Platinum III | Yousei Teikoku is the best thing that has ever happened to music.
triangle
Profile Blog Joined October 2007
United States3803 Posts
February 27 2012 09:10 GMT
#3195
I hope those patch notes aren't real... they make no sense.
Also known as waterfall / w4terfall
Alaric
Profile Joined November 2009
France45622 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-02-27 09:17:45
February 27 2012 09:12 GMT
#3196
That'd be stupid. The French thread states he got the notes from NA forum (with Xypherous posts on stealth rework), and then a thread pop out on NA re-using the French one? That makes no sense since there should supposedly be a NA thread already.

Edit: reading that "Xypherous post" quoted at the end of the French op, either their translation team is doing a bad job with typos, or this is a fake.
Cant take LMS hipsters serious.
Roffles *
Profile Blog Joined April 2007
Pitcairn19291 Posts
February 27 2012 09:12 GMT
#3197
On February 27 2012 17:17 midnight.tokyo wrote:
Show nested quote +
Tristana:

It is now impossible to launch rocket jump if the game detects that the selected location will make you jump up.


Does this mean you can't rocket jump to high ground? (e.g up from baron/dragon cave)

Think it eliminates the times in which you simply jump straight up when you attempt to jump over things at awkward angles and stuff. Those times you'll see dud jumps in which you simply go straight up instead of to a target location.
God Bless
Terranasaur
Profile Joined May 2011
United States2085 Posts
February 27 2012 09:14 GMT
#3198
Not saying you guys are gullible or anything, but maybe we should wait 24 hours for the real patch notes before we mourn the nerfing of Karma.

I call shenanigans on the whole situation, and I've never trusted the French.
Decisions Determine Destiny - Terranasaur#1719 D3 #557 SC2 3DS FC: 2423-3623-8068
Alaric
Profile Joined November 2009
France45622 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-02-27 09:24:05
February 27 2012 09:22 GMT
#3199
Yeah the dude is basically saying "with the stealth rework, Oracle is no longer an elixir but a charged item with an active that reveals stealthed stuff on a CV-like radius around you, and a one minute cooldown. It doesn't disappear when out of charges, but you have to go back to fountain to refresh them".

I call bullshit. But frankly, when somebody says "I found this on NA!", links 2 Xypherous monoline posts with no content, 2 dead links (of a fake patch notes thread I believe?) and then someone on NA goes "I found this on French forum!", it's your bad for believing it guys.
Cant take LMS hipsters serious.
mr_tolkien
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
France8631 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-02-27 09:35:06
February 27 2012 09:32 GMT
#3200
On February 27 2012 16:18 anmolsinghmzn2009 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 27 2012 16:14 Requizen wrote:
On February 27 2012 15:09 mr_tolkien wrote:
On February 27 2012 14:34 anmolsinghmzn2009 wrote:
Its like he gets demolished top lane.

Oh lol.
He's like the biggest lane bully atm and destroys anybody 1v1, which he can force XD Just take the right runes (armor/MR) and you're good to go. 0 need of offensive runes on him to destroy anybody.

Jax is the #1 sleeping OP atm. 2s full dodge is just retarded in teamfights, + AoE stun, + jump, + insane damage with rageblade, + ult to multiply that a little bit more... You just build him tank + rageblade and go melt faces.

I'm just so underwhelmed by him lately compared to other "hypercarries" that could be played top. He has very little sticking power (unless you grab a FMallet or something), no innate survival other than CS, and he just feels squishy unless you build tank, which sucks because you're encouraged to jump in on a carry every fight.

I dunno. Why would I play Jax when I can get the same or better performance out of Trynd, Riven, or someone else like that with less risk?


That's exactly what I feel like. The only reason I would pick him is because I really like him and I like him because he used to be so powerful & everything about him is supposed to be badass.

He's not an «hyper carry» anymore, but his kit is wonderful late game.
And now he crushes everybody in lane starting from lvl1, since you can't even auto him.
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