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Consider this fair notice to all users. Warning will be dished out this patch.

Thanks.
Neo, 31.01.12
overt
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States9006 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-02-01 23:40:49
February 01 2012 23:40 GMT
#341
At level 18 the active is a 230 damage shield right? Too lazy to do the math to see if the shield can make it better than Aegis but I don't think it would. And Aegis is about 300 gold cheaper.

Definitely at like level 13 or so Aegis is way better.
NeoIllusions
Profile Blog Joined December 2002
United States37500 Posts
February 01 2012 23:40 GMT
#342
jiji on Ori coming up on CLG stream.
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beefhamburger
Profile Joined December 2007
United States3962 Posts
February 01 2012 23:41 GMT
#343
How I took it, I think they don't think it's too bad but the price is what makes it a terrible buy.
DoXa
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Switzerland1448 Posts
February 01 2012 23:56 GMT
#344
On February 02 2012 08:40 NeoIllusions wrote:
jiji on Ori coming up on CLG stream.


not going so well for him vs annie though...
wei2coolman
Profile Joined November 2010
United States60033 Posts
February 01 2012 23:58 GMT
#345
So, I don't get why people don't get more cs.... I'm like a huge huge proponent of farming > killing.

Was just in a game 57 minutes long. I had highest cs on team with 320, the 2nd highest was 250. Simply unacceptable. Even bad farming from me, and I still somehow out farm everyone else on my team, I feel too many people undervalue split pushing a lot...
liftlift > tsm
Seuss
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States10536 Posts
February 02 2012 00:03 GMT
#346
On February 02 2012 08:40 overt wrote:
At level 18 the active is a 230 damage shield right? Too lazy to do the math to see if the shield can make it better than Aegis but I don't think it would. And Aegis is about 300 gold cheaper.

Definitely at like level 13 or so Aegis is way better.


I threw together a quick and dirty spreadsheet:

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0Aowpba9laK0vdHBLYzBsZXFCVHdUOE80VDUycWg3eFE

The spreadsheet only compares the auras, not the stats the owner gains. Playing around with the numbers, it appears that Locket gives comparable survivability to Aegis. As would be expected, Aegis does better the more health someone has, while Locket does better the more armor/resistance someone has.

Anyone who's interested can copy the spreadsheet and play around with the numbers themselves.

My take on it is that Aegis is better simply because it provides the owner well rounded stats and doesn't require timing an active to be effective. You can also sit on your HoG longer building an Aegis. I'd probably still build Locket later if the game lasted long enough.
"I am not able to carry all this people alone, for they are too heavy for me." -Moses (Numbers 11:14)
wei2coolman
Profile Joined November 2010
United States60033 Posts
February 02 2012 00:04 GMT
#347
On February 02 2012 09:03 Seuss wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 02 2012 08:40 overt wrote:
At level 18 the active is a 230 damage shield right? Too lazy to do the math to see if the shield can make it better than Aegis but I don't think it would. And Aegis is about 300 gold cheaper.

Definitely at like level 13 or so Aegis is way better.


I threw together a quick and dirty spreadsheet:

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0Aowpba9laK0vdHBLYzBsZXFCVHdUOE80VDUycWg3eFE

The spreadsheet only compares the auras, not the stats the owner gains. Playing around with the numbers, it appears that Locket gives comparable survivability to Aegis. As would be expected, Aegis does better the more health someone has, while Locket does better the more armor/resistance someone has.

Anyone who's interested can copy the spreadsheet and play around with the numbers themselves.

My take on it is that Aegis is better simply because it provides the owner well rounded stats and doesn't require timing an active to be effective. You can also sit on your HoG longer building an Aegis. I'd probably still build Locket later if the game lasted long enough.

I've figured it out, get 5 players, get 5 aotl and 5 lockets, coordinate locket usage. never take dmg.
liftlift > tsm
overt
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States9006 Posts
February 02 2012 00:05 GMT
#348
The other downside of locket is if it gets hoisted upon the support player as they'll likely be the lowest level on the team and so the shield will be less. Wouldn't it make more sense for a support to just build Aegis and Shurelya's instead of Aegis plus Locket? Especially since Aegis is cheaper.
Dandel Ion
Profile Joined November 2010
Austria17960 Posts
February 02 2012 00:05 GMT
#349
On February 02 2012 08:58 wei2coolman wrote:
So, I don't get why people don't get more cs.... I'm like a huge huge proponent of farming > killing.

Was just in a game 57 minutes long. I had highest cs on team with 320, the 2nd highest was 250. Simply unacceptable. Even bad farming from me, and I still somehow out farm everyone else on my team, I feel too many people undervalue split pushing a lot...


The thing is that farming is boring as hell.

Of course people rather battle each other to the death in a manly display of power.
A backwards poet writes inverse.
BlackPaladin
Profile Joined May 2010
United States9316 Posts
February 02 2012 00:07 GMT
#350
On February 02 2012 09:05 overt wrote:
The other downside of locket is if it gets hoisted upon the support player as they'll likely be the lowest level on the team and so the shield will be less. Wouldn't it make more sense for a support to just build Aegis and Shurelya's instead of Aegis plus Locket? Especially since Aegis is cheaper.


For the aegis to be most effective you want it to be built by midgame. A no cs support can't do that easily, especially if they're investing in gp10. Better for the support to get shurelya's and the jungle/top to get aegis. So in the end, it leaves the support grabbing locket.
"Your full potential does not matter if you do not use all 100% of it."
Dandel Ion
Profile Joined November 2010
Austria17960 Posts
February 02 2012 00:12 GMT
#351
On February 02 2012 09:05 overt wrote:
The other downside of locket is if it gets hoisted upon the support player as they'll likely be the lowest level on the team and so the shield will be less. Wouldn't it make more sense for a support to just build Aegis and Shurelya's instead of Aegis plus Locket? Especially since Aegis is cheaper.


I think Philo -> HoG -> Aegis, then upgrade philo -> shurelia's then HoG -> Locket has the "best" flow for a support build.
But rarely will the game last long enough for a support to finish 3 major items...

And if I may add, the most important stat an item can ever have from a support's perspective is low cost, since you a) have no money and b) need a disproportionate amount of money for wards/pinks/oracles/pots/...
So Aegis being cheaper is huge.
A backwards poet writes inverse.
barbsq
Profile Joined November 2009
United States5348 Posts
February 02 2012 00:13 GMT
#352
On February 02 2012 09:05 overt wrote:
The other downside of locket is if it gets hoisted upon the support player as they'll likely be the lowest level on the team and so the shield will be less. Wouldn't it make more sense for a support to just build Aegis and Shurelya's instead of Aegis plus Locket? Especially since Aegis is cheaper.


there is no way i'd drop shurelya's for any reason. For me the choice is reverie + aegis or reverie + locket
Look at this guy, constantly diluting himself! (╮°-°)╮┳━┳ ( ╯°□°)╯ ┻━┻
EchelonTee
Profile Joined February 2011
United States5262 Posts
February 02 2012 00:34 GMT
#353
On February 02 2012 09:13 barbsq wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 02 2012 09:05 overt wrote:
The other downside of locket is if it gets hoisted upon the support player as they'll likely be the lowest level on the team and so the shield will be less. Wouldn't it make more sense for a support to just build Aegis and Shurelya's instead of Aegis plus Locket? Especially since Aegis is cheaper.


there is no way i'd drop shurelya's for any reason. For me the choice is reverie + aegis or reverie + locket


agree, but locket looks really really good; running some games now trying it. it reminds me of mek from dota; an incredibly useful utility item to have. a tank/initiator type can take aegis, like amumu.
aka "neophyte". learn lots. dont judge. laugh for no reason. be nice. seek happiness. -D[9]
Shikyo
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
Finland33997 Posts
February 02 2012 00:52 GMT
#354
Magic Damage: 75 / 120 / 165 / 210 / 255 (+0.65 per ability power)

You guys remember when I estimated bouncing bomb at 260 + 0.65 from that one time when Phreak hit the golem with it?

I think I'm pretty good.
League of Legends EU West, Platinum III | Yousei Teikoku is the best thing that has ever happened to music.
0123456789
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States3216 Posts
February 02 2012 00:54 GMT
#355
LoL is the one game I think that females can be pro at. Low skillcap, and teamwork!!! Perfect for gurls.
jcarlsoniv
Profile Blog Joined January 2010
United States27922 Posts
February 02 2012 00:56 GMT
#356
On February 02 2012 09:52 Shikyo wrote:
Magic Damage: 75 / 120 / 165 / 210 / 255 (+0.65 per ability power)

You guys remember when I estimated bouncing bomb at 260 + 0.65 from that one time when Phreak hit the golem with it?

I think I'm pretty good.


currently sitting in my math analysis course - try harder to impress me
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Dandel Ion
Profile Joined November 2010
Austria17960 Posts
February 02 2012 00:57 GMT
#357
On February 02 2012 09:54 0123456789 wrote:
LoL is the one game I think that females can be pro at. Low skillcap, and teamwork!!! Perfect for gurls.


So sexist! I guess.
No, I'm sure someone is offended now!
A backwards poet writes inverse.
zodde
Profile Joined October 2010
Sweden1908 Posts
February 02 2012 01:01 GMT
#358
Saint jungling Alistar with 3x gp10 and gp10 runes, got more gold than the enemy corki who was had 10 kills and 140 cs more than saint. Also about 2k more than his own ad carry who had 100 cs and a few kills more than him :O
courtpanda
Profile Blog Joined May 2011
866 Posts
February 02 2012 01:04 GMT
#359
On February 02 2012 09:57 Dandel Ion wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 02 2012 09:54 0123456789 wrote:
LoL is the one game I think that females can be pro at. Low skillcap, and teamwork!!! Perfect for gurls.


So sexist! I guess.
No, I'm sure someone is offended now!



yay misogynism!
starfries
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
Canada3508 Posts
February 02 2012 01:06 GMT
#360
On February 02 2012 10:04 courtpanda wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 02 2012 09:57 Dandel Ion wrote:
On February 02 2012 09:54 0123456789 wrote:
LoL is the one game I think that females can be pro at. Low skillcap, and teamwork!!! Perfect for gurls.


So sexist! I guess.
No, I'm sure someone is offended now!



yay misogynism!

that's not even true, everyone knows girls are bad at map awareness
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