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[Patch 1.0.0.133: Ziggs] General Discussion - Page 10

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TheYango
Profile Joined September 2008
United States47024 Posts
February 01 2012 13:47 GMT
#181
On February 01 2012 22:41 Noocta wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 01 2012 16:43 forgotten0ne wrote:
Anyone else feel like Ziggs could be the most op release champ of all time? It's all going to depend on his ratios...


Not even close to possible.
If you didn't play during Xin release, you don't know what OP on release mean.

Beta TF.

When you try to squeeze a champ kit with skills scaled comparably to DotA's power level into LoL, bad things happen.
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LaNague
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Germany9118 Posts
February 01 2012 13:49 GMT
#182
zigg

.35 on passive, .65 on Q, .35 on W, .30 on E and .15 on subsequent mine hits, .9 on R

from ofiicial forums
Xevious
Profile Joined February 2011
United States2086 Posts
February 01 2012 13:52 GMT
#183
Played ziggs a bit, and he honestly just feels like an inferior gragas. Only thing he has on him is the semi-global ult and a ranged auto. His ratios are meh, especially when compared to gragas's 1 to .9 on his main nuke.
NeoIllusions
Profile Blog Joined December 2002
United States37500 Posts
February 01 2012 14:00 GMT
#184
On February 01 2012 22:47 TheYango wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 01 2012 22:41 Noocta wrote:
On February 01 2012 16:43 forgotten0ne wrote:
Anyone else feel like Ziggs could be the most op release champ of all time? It's all going to depend on his ratios...


Not even close to possible.
If you didn't play during Xin release, you don't know what OP on release mean.

Beta TF.

When you try to squeeze a champ kit with skills scaled comparably to DotA's power level into LoL, bad things happen.


Wasn't even the ratios. It was the god damn double Gold Card AOE stuns. wtf Riot.
ModeratorFor the Glory that is TeamLiquid (-9 | 155) | Discord: NeoIllusions#1984
DoXa
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Switzerland1448 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-02-01 14:15:13
February 01 2012 14:11 GMT
#185
On February 01 2012 22:33 NeoIllusions wrote:
ARAB (on CS) is the new ARAM.

Just played my first one, it's so intense. :O


whats ARAB?

and about ziggs: i think lich bane would be pretty strong on him. he has low cooldowns on his Q => more procs, and his passive gives him more damage on autoattacks too. so maybe double dorans, DC and then lich bane?
Alaric
Profile Joined November 2009
France45622 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-02-01 14:14:02
February 01 2012 14:13 GMT
#186
His Q looks a lot harder to dodge than Gragas', from what I've seen on streams. Also, better range and radius on his ult. And Gragas can't zone as effectively (except by leaving his barrel in the way for the full duration).

ARAB = All Random All Bot.
Cant take LMS hipsters serious.
Hidden_MotiveS
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
Canada2562 Posts
February 01 2012 14:17 GMT
#187
On February 01 2012 23:11 DoXa wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 01 2012 22:33 NeoIllusions wrote:
ARAB (on CS) is the new ARAM.

Just played my first one, it's so intense. :O


whats ARAB?

and about ziggs: i think lich bane would be pretty strong on him. he has low cooldowns on his Q => more procs, and his passive gives him more damage on autoattacks too. so maybe double dorans, DC and then lich bane?

It's for dominion. Neoillusions so elitist. First AD sona, now mentions ARAB without saying what it is first.
jtype
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
England2167 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-02-01 14:20:49
February 01 2012 14:20 GMT
#188
All Random All Bottom (I assume), on Dominion.

edit - lol, bit late..
Alaric
Profile Joined November 2009
France45622 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-02-01 14:35:53
February 01 2012 14:29 GMT
#189
There's a solotop Orianna on Alex Ich's stream...

Edit: and she kills his Vlad. Looks like she maxes the shield first and uses it with her passive to trade using auto-attacks.
Cant take LMS hipsters serious.
WhiteDog
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
France8650 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-02-01 14:35:23
February 01 2012 14:33 GMT
#190
On February 01 2012 23:29 Alaric wrote:
There's a solotop Orianna on Alex Ich's stream...

And she' bullying Alex on vlad so much, lalz.
Diamond as a jungler, alex top and froggen mid, nice team.
"every time WhiteDog overuses the word "seriously" in a comment I can make an observation on his fragile emotional state." MoltkeWarding
Woony
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Germany6657 Posts
February 01 2012 15:00 GMT
#191
Can anyone tell me why Hotshot is playing on a smurf? Just for fun?
ihasaKAROT
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Netherlands4730 Posts
February 01 2012 15:11 GMT
#192
Aparently Yi is bugged, doenst show up all the times on the minimap.
KCCO!
zodde
Profile Joined October 2010
Sweden1908 Posts
February 01 2012 15:12 GMT
#193
On February 02 2012 00:00 Woony wrote:
Can anyone tell me why Hotshot is playing on a smurf? Just for fun?


I'm assuming it's so he can get to play Ziggs every game, but I'm not quite sure. Maybe banned?
TheYango
Profile Joined September 2008
United States47024 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-02-01 15:19:52
February 01 2012 15:12 GMT
#194
On February 01 2012 23:00 NeoIllusions wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 01 2012 22:47 TheYango wrote:
On February 01 2012 22:41 Noocta wrote:
On February 01 2012 16:43 forgotten0ne wrote:
Anyone else feel like Ziggs could be the most op release champ of all time? It's all going to depend on his ratios...


Not even close to possible.
If you didn't play during Xin release, you don't know what OP on release mean.

Beta TF.

When you try to squeeze a champ kit with skills scaled comparably to DotA's power level into LoL, bad things happen.


Wasn't even the ratios. It was the god damn double Gold Card AOE stuns. wtf Riot.

Nah, the AoE stuns were OK when they didn't bug out and go through spell shields for no reason, especially since lots of people couldn't reliably pull golds when they were actually hard. Though blues were still annoying because Sheen/Lichbane procs had no cooldown, and blue cards were "pick another card" instead of mana restore, so you could chain-Blue Card for obscene DPS even if you sucked ass at pulling golds.

Gate being a regular skill, though, with cooldown that scaled to like 20 seconds, THAT was what sealed the deal.
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Slayer91
Profile Joined February 2006
Ireland23335 Posts
February 01 2012 15:15 GMT
#195
On February 01 2012 21:48 Hidden_MotiveS wrote:
Most supports have high winrates. (I think it's because)Teams that don't have supports have a low cs ad carry (or because people play supports more in arranged teams).
http://www.riot5.com/main/index/champions
Check w/l ratio of janna soraka taric.


Also this doesn't really apply since I didn't even start playing sona until after soraka got nerfed and she got buffed. (Probably was around 1700-1900 at the time, every SINGLE game would have had another support with the AD carry)
Alaric
Profile Joined November 2009
France45622 Posts
February 01 2012 15:17 GMT
#196
On February 02 2012 00:12 TheYango wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 01 2012 23:00 NeoIllusions wrote:
On February 01 2012 22:47 TheYango wrote:
On February 01 2012 22:41 Noocta wrote:
On February 01 2012 16:43 forgotten0ne wrote:
Anyone else feel like Ziggs could be the most op release champ of all time? It's all going to depend on his ratios...


Not even close to possible.
If you didn't play during Xin release, you don't know what OP on release mean.

Beta TF.

When you try to squeeze a champ kit with skills scaled comparably to DotA's power level into LoL, bad things happen.


Wasn't even the ratios. It was the god damn double Gold Card AOE stuns. wtf Riot.

Nah, the AoE stuns were OK when they didn't bug out and go through spell shields for no reason, especially since lots of people couldn't reliably pull golds when they were actually hard. Though blues were still annoying because Sheen/Lichbane procs had no cooldown, and blue cards were "pick another card" instead of mana restore, so you could chain-Blue Card for obscene DPS even if you sucked ass at pulling golds.

Gate being a regular skill, though, with cooldown that scaled to like 20 seconds, THAT was what sealed the deal.


Wasn't Destiny the regular skill, and Gate the ultimate? It seemed to say so when I read the patch notes on the wiki, but they only say what the skills became, not what they were to begin with.
Cant take LMS hipsters serious.
TheYango
Profile Joined September 2008
United States47024 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-02-01 15:36:54
February 01 2012 15:19 GMT
#197
On February 02 2012 00:17 Alaric wrote:
Wasn't Destiny the regular skill, and Gate the ultimate? It seemed to say so when I read the patch notes on the wiki, but they only say what the skills became, not what they were to begin with.

Gate was the regular skill. It had a ~5 sec channel time like normal TP, but you could TP anywhere, and it had like 60/55/50/45/40 second CD or something similar. The Ultimate gave the vision debuff we know today, while also applying a 45% slow to all hit by it, and making Gate instant-cast instead of channeled for the duration (it was also bugged to break spell shields while still applying the debuff).

His passive was also global passive crit for teammates. Not really special, but pretty high on the gold value spectrum as far as passives go.

EDIT: For those that never experienced the beta TF insanity, here's a little taste.



Note even the little things that people did wrong back then, like thinking that the buff duration mastery sucked. Maxing Gate last was also the normal way to go, when in retrospect, I would probably max it first if i knew what i knew now. Having TP on a 24 second CD (with max CDR from blue buff) at level 9 is a joy that I will never know again.
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Brees
Profile Joined January 2010
Marshall Islands3404 Posts
February 01 2012 15:42 GMT
#198
On February 01 2012 12:42 rwrzr wrote:
brees how 2 get perma-banned in LoL?


getting to semi high elo or high elo and repeatedly trolling until everyone hates you and reports you every game no matter what

then tribunal takes care of the rest

3 perm bans before they finally got rid of my account lolol
Brees on in
Requizen
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States33802 Posts
February 01 2012 15:47 GMT
#199
On February 02 2012 00:17 Alaric wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 02 2012 00:12 TheYango wrote:
On February 01 2012 23:00 NeoIllusions wrote:
On February 01 2012 22:47 TheYango wrote:
On February 01 2012 22:41 Noocta wrote:
On February 01 2012 16:43 forgotten0ne wrote:
Anyone else feel like Ziggs could be the most op release champ of all time? It's all going to depend on his ratios...


Not even close to possible.
If you didn't play during Xin release, you don't know what OP on release mean.

Beta TF.

When you try to squeeze a champ kit with skills scaled comparably to DotA's power level into LoL, bad things happen.


Wasn't even the ratios. It was the god damn double Gold Card AOE stuns. wtf Riot.

Nah, the AoE stuns were OK when they didn't bug out and go through spell shields for no reason, especially since lots of people couldn't reliably pull golds when they were actually hard. Though blues were still annoying because Sheen/Lichbane procs had no cooldown, and blue cards were "pick another card" instead of mana restore, so you could chain-Blue Card for obscene DPS even if you sucked ass at pulling golds.

Gate being a regular skill, though, with cooldown that scaled to like 20 seconds, THAT was what sealed the deal.


Wasn't Destiny the regular skill, and Gate the ultimate? It seemed to say so when I read the patch notes on the wiki, but they only say what the skills became, not what they were to begin with.

Nope, your E skill allowed you to globally (I think?) teleport on a very short CD. The remake made it his ult and gave him the proc skill.
It's your boy Guzma!
starfries
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
Canada3508 Posts
February 01 2012 15:49 GMT
#200
That Poppy skin is like a throwback to the days of terrible art (original Lux) and glowing eyes on everyone (Pantheon and Gangplank)
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