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Heed these two simple warnings. It will help make our GD a better place.

Consider this fair notice to all users. Warning will be dished out this patch.

Thanks.
Neo, 31.01.12
JBright
Profile Joined September 2010
Vancouver14381 Posts
February 01 2012 12:07 GMT
#161
On February 01 2012 20:49 TheYango wrote:
Can someone who has patched say whether Locket affects minions, and whether multiple lockets can be successively applied in a short duration?


Just tried it in a 1v1 against a bot and it didn't apply to minions. It's something like ~2150 gold.
ModeratorThe good and the wise lead quiet lives. Neo's #1 Frenemy and nightmare.
Deleted User 30223
Profile Blog Joined August 2007
3104 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-02-01 12:11:34
February 01 2012 12:09 GMT
#162
watching my friend get raped as talon by a ziggs. that passive is pretty damn strong starting off at level 1. i was thinking that it'd be a pretty easy matchup for talon as he could avoid the skillshots with his jump, but zigg's autoattacks are outdamaging talon's burst.
Xevious
Profile Joined February 2011
United States2086 Posts
February 01 2012 12:11 GMT
#163
for those of you also having this issue, when i first got on and joined a game it kept crashing, i exited lolreplay and then it worked fine.

also watching jiji ziggs kill teddyro earlier was funny as hell lol
Atrioc
Profile Blog Joined December 2007
United States1866 Posts
February 01 2012 12:26 GMT
#164
On February 01 2012 21:11 Xevious wrote:
for those of you also having this issue, when i first got on and joined a game it kept crashing, i exited lolreplay and then it worked fine.

also watching jiji ziggs kill teddyro earlier was funny as hell lol


i was the sona in that game lol, teddyro too strong
jiji warns me about bugsplat with lolrecorder so i close it but game still crashed during loading screen and i had to redownload the whole patch so i didn't join until 5+ minutes in
Writerman what
Microchaton
Profile Joined March 2011
France342 Posts
February 01 2012 12:34 GMT
#165
Update on ratios now that he is live ? They don't seem too overpowered from what I've seen in glimpses on streams.
Stormy
Slayer91
Profile Joined February 2006
Ireland23386 Posts
February 01 2012 12:36 GMT
#166
On February 01 2012 18:18 FakeSteve[TPR] wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 01 2012 18:14 Veclada wrote:
On February 01 2012 17:43 FakeSteve[TPR] wrote:
On February 01 2012 17:37 gtrsrs wrote:
yo steve protip from your best friend
AD sona is super strong - try her from the jungle so you can run a legit AD carry too. wriggles zeal -> mass phantom dancers. she clears camps super fast, she has great dueling power thanks to passive and decent ganks (fantastic once ult is up) to boot. i don't know a good route, but i saw a guy go from like 1300 to basically 1800 playing nothing but jungle AD sona


oooh i haven't tried jungling as sona yet. in the games i played today i successfully 1v1d a graves, sivir (both our ults LOL), and ezreal because i fucking smashed them in the face with power chord.

i've been going cloth+5 -> wriggles + zerkers + 1-2 dorans -> pd -> ie -> lw

...rofl. its so much fun, seriously try it. half the fun is being charismatic enough that your team doesn't freak out during champ select (4/4 on that front thx)

edit: any trip reports on solo top bruiser taric? :D


at what rating and wich runes/masteries do you run with this?


<1200 ()

arpen armor mr, quints ad, 21/0/9 or 21/9/0 depending on the lane


I have an absurdly high ranked with rate with sona when I consider myself a pretty poor support player in general. I don't go AD sona, it doesn't make a lot of sense really. She has no real AD scaling at all, except her Q aura which you give to your AD anyway. What you're seeing is just fucking batshit crazy damage on Q+power chord combined with your buying AD damage items. I generally play support with like shurelyas-->aegis/chalice when I can afford them, the combination of people figuring out not to focus supports in higher elo (if you find someone focusing a support you just bait them around in a teamfight until you win becase you can faceroll while running away and are somewhat hard to kill) you can generally get close to the squishies and truck with with ulti+q+passive and set them up for your bruisers.
Basically what I'm saying is ad sona is much less effective than a standard AD building ad items + you being just being a beast without damage items.
r.Evo
Profile Joined August 2006
Germany14081 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-02-01 12:50:08
February 01 2012 12:45 GMT
#167
On February 01 2012 21:36 Slayer91 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 01 2012 18:18 FakeSteve[TPR] wrote:
On February 01 2012 18:14 Veclada wrote:
On February 01 2012 17:43 FakeSteve[TPR] wrote:
On February 01 2012 17:37 gtrsrs wrote:
yo steve protip from your best friend
AD sona is super strong - try her from the jungle so you can run a legit AD carry too. wriggles zeal -> mass phantom dancers. she clears camps super fast, she has great dueling power thanks to passive and decent ganks (fantastic once ult is up) to boot. i don't know a good route, but i saw a guy go from like 1300 to basically 1800 playing nothing but jungle AD sona


oooh i haven't tried jungling as sona yet. in the games i played today i successfully 1v1d a graves, sivir (both our ults LOL), and ezreal because i fucking smashed them in the face with power chord.

i've been going cloth+5 -> wriggles + zerkers + 1-2 dorans -> pd -> ie -> lw

...rofl. its so much fun, seriously try it. half the fun is being charismatic enough that your team doesn't freak out during champ select (4/4 on that front thx)

edit: any trip reports on solo top bruiser taric? :D


at what rating and wich runes/masteries do you run with this?


<1200 ()

arpen armor mr, quints ad, 21/0/9 or 21/9/0 depending on the lane


I have an absurdly high ranked with rate with sona when I consider myself a pretty poor support player in general. I don't go AD sona, it doesn't make a lot of sense really. She has no real AD scaling at all, except her Q aura which you give to your AD anyway. What you're seeing is just fucking batshit crazy damage on Q+power chord combined with your buying AD damage items. I generally play support with like shurelyas-->aegis/chalice when I can afford them, the combination of people figuring out not to focus supports in higher elo (if you find someone focusing a support you just bait them around in a teamfight until you win becase you can faceroll while running away and are somewhat hard to kill) you can generally get close to the squishies and truck with with ulti+q+passive and set them up for your bruisers.
Basically what I'm saying is ad sona is much less effective than a standard AD building ad items + you being just being a beast without damage items.


Wow. I just realized that your Sona winrate > your Skarner winrate. And Riven. And (almost) Nasus.

Is this a clear indication of Sona being overpowered? =P


PS: I just took the liberty of extending the holy rules of our subforum, first set in stone in the age of Sejuani the freezing boar-bitch by the glorious Moonbear, to display a recent event in the neighbouring clan of the DotA 2 subforums:


a) Never start a land war in Asia.

b) Never start a top lane argument with Mogwai. (Unless you're willing to 1v1 him and let TL spectate.)

c) Never try to win an argument about LoL or DotA with Yango, he will smash you to pieces with logic.
"We don't make mistakes here, we call it happy little accidents." ~Bob Ross
Hidden_MotiveS
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
Canada2562 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-02-01 12:52:22
February 01 2012 12:48 GMT
#168
Most supports have high winrates. (I think it's because)Teams that don't have supports have a low cs ad carry (or because people play supports more in arranged teams).
http://www.riot5.com/main/index/champions
Check w/l ratio of janna soraka taric.
iCanada
Profile Joined August 2010
Canada10660 Posts
February 01 2012 12:49 GMT
#169
lol, Hotshots smurf teammates raging because he didn't call MIA.

Apparently he is bad at this game.
Shiv.
Profile Joined January 2011
3534 Posts
February 01 2012 12:50 GMT
#170
Considering there's no Xerath thread and I'm not nearly good enough on him to warrant me starting one...
How does one build the kid? I've been doing a generic Drings->Sorc->DC build with decent success, but I was wondering how other people build him. Runes, summoners, items, basically.
currently rooting for myself.
WhiteDog
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
France8650 Posts
February 01 2012 12:50 GMT
#171
http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-QX23slCPx9g/TyktWQU3HHI/AAAAAAAAB0s/S6_6KQd6eLc/s1600/ScarletPoppy.jpg
That poppy.
"every time WhiteDog overuses the word "seriously" in a comment I can make an observation on his fragile emotional state." MoltkeWarding
Alaric
Profile Joined November 2009
France45622 Posts
February 01 2012 12:50 GMT
#172
Jiji just cut the enemy team of dragon after Irelia made them go back a bit by using his minefield+knockback explosive on the ramp from purple's side blue, Anivia's wall style. Zigg real zoner.
Cant take LMS hipsters serious.
Slayer91
Profile Joined February 2006
Ireland23386 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-02-01 12:53:37
February 01 2012 12:52 GMT
#173
On February 01 2012 21:45 r.Evo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 01 2012 21:36 Slayer91 wrote:
On February 01 2012 18:18 FakeSteve[TPR] wrote:
On February 01 2012 18:14 Veclada wrote:
On February 01 2012 17:43 FakeSteve[TPR] wrote:
On February 01 2012 17:37 gtrsrs wrote:
yo steve protip from your best friend
AD sona is super strong - try her from the jungle so you can run a legit AD carry too. wriggles zeal -> mass phantom dancers. she clears camps super fast, she has great dueling power thanks to passive and decent ganks (fantastic once ult is up) to boot. i don't know a good route, but i saw a guy go from like 1300 to basically 1800 playing nothing but jungle AD sona


oooh i haven't tried jungling as sona yet. in the games i played today i successfully 1v1d a graves, sivir (both our ults LOL), and ezreal because i fucking smashed them in the face with power chord.

i've been going cloth+5 -> wriggles + zerkers + 1-2 dorans -> pd -> ie -> lw

...rofl. its so much fun, seriously try it. half the fun is being charismatic enough that your team doesn't freak out during champ select (4/4 on that front thx)

edit: any trip reports on solo top bruiser taric? :D


at what rating and wich runes/masteries do you run with this?


<1200 ()

arpen armor mr, quints ad, 21/0/9 or 21/9/0 depending on the lane


I have an absurdly high ranked with rate with sona when I consider myself a pretty poor support player in general. I don't go AD sona, it doesn't make a lot of sense really. She has no real AD scaling at all, except her Q aura which you give to your AD anyway. What you're seeing is just fucking batshit crazy damage on Q+power chord combined with your buying AD damage items. I generally play support with like shurelyas-->aegis/chalice when I can afford them, the combination of people figuring out not to focus supports in higher elo (if you find someone focusing a support you just bait them around in a teamfight until you win becase you can faceroll while running away and are somewhat hard to kill) you can generally get close to the squishies and truck with with ulti+q+passive and set them up for your bruisers.
Basically what I'm saying is ad sona is much less effective than a standard AD building ad items + you being just being a beast without damage items.


Wow. I just realized that your Sona winrate > your Skarner winrate. And Riven. And (almost) Nasus.

Is this a clear indication of Sona being overpowered? =P


PS: I just took the liberty of extending the holy rules of our subforum, first set in stone in the age of Sejuani the freezing boar-bitch by the glorious Moonbear, to display a recent event in the neighbouring clan of the DotA 2 subforums:


Show nested quote +
a) Never start a land war in Asia.

b) Never start a top lane argument with Mogwai. (Unless you're willing to 1v1 him and let TL spectate.)

c) Never try to win an argument about LoL or DotA with Yango, he will smash you to pieces with logic.



Yes. It was higher than my Udyr win rate for a while too. Had a couple bad games though, if something goes wrong at the start I don't play passive enough and just feed. Sad panda.

In general though, between Q aura charged (fucking 70 AD sona with no runes ad op), q, and q passive, I harass their AD when he tries to last hit so much that he just rage goes on me and my AD carry gets the kill (If it's like heal ignite trist, I just acciently bait her into jumping me with heal and ignite and i just exhaust her and flash away troll face 2 kills for corki).

Then in teamfights I do what nobody else seems to do in LoL and actually ACKNOWLEDGE THE AD CARRY AS THE DUDE DOING THE MOST DAMAGE. If I see Ez flanking around the side and Eing over the wall damn straight I save my ulti for when he does it. If we engage I don't go for the "Beautiful cresendo across ALL their team" (Tank who used his cds, bruiser, and their support" and just wait to for a squishy to get in range, then truck them and my bruisers go to town on them. So it's somewhat sona being OP as fuck and somewhat just abusing her smarter IMO than most people.

I have been spamming sona being broken OP in LP for a while, but I spam so much nobody ever notices when some of the shit I say isn't total BS.
turdburgler
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
England6749 Posts
February 01 2012 12:55 GMT
#174
On February 01 2012 21:49 iCanada wrote:
lol, Hotshots smurf teammates raging because he didn't call MIA.

Apparently he is bad at this game.


well i wouldnt go that far, but a lot of the popular streamers do stupid shit all the time. watched saint last night bitch about his team throwing the game after xerath walks off of tower and gets himself easily 2v1's so saint goes to mid to take all the farm and the 2 people are just still there and kill him too. so he bitches harder in chat about his team being bad


he was right, they were bad but he made mistakes too
57 Corvette
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Canada5941 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-02-01 12:58:36
February 01 2012 12:57 GMT
#175
On February 01 2012 21:50 WhiteDog wrote:
http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-QX23slCPx9g/TyktWQU3HHI/AAAAAAAAB0s/S6_6KQd6eLc/s1600/ScarletPoppy.jpg
That poppy.


Oh god why

You'd think they could come up with something that looks decent for her aside from Battle Regalia.

Anyways, downloading the patch right now, gonna check out the skins to see if its worth the bundle or just the champ
Survival is winning, everything else is bullshit.
Attakijing
Profile Joined June 2011
United States693 Posts
February 01 2012 13:06 GMT
#176
On February 01 2012 21:55 turdburgler wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 01 2012 21:49 iCanada wrote:
lol, Hotshots smurf teammates raging because he didn't call MIA.

Apparently he is bad at this game.


well i wouldnt go that far, but a lot of the popular streamers do stupid shit all the time. watched saint last night bitch about his team throwing the game after xerath walks off of tower and gets himself easily 2v1's so saint goes to mid to take all the farm and the 2 people are just still there and kill him too. so he bitches harder in chat about his team being bad


he was right, they were bad but he made mistakes too
I really want to see a streamer that watches his replays and then catches himself in a bad habit during a game. The only guy i've ever seen do that is reginald, and only once. I think I saw him say "whenever i win my lane hard i gank a couple times and then start being stupid. I have to be careful right now" or something.

If you're in a gaming house I would think you would spend a lot of time watching your friends play. I thought pros watching pros would be able to coach each other well... But from the way they talk it sounds like they stay isolated and play solo queue all day.
iCanada
Profile Joined August 2010
Canada10660 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-02-01 13:10:40
February 01 2012 13:08 GMT
#177
On February 01 2012 21:55 turdburgler wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 01 2012 21:49 iCanada wrote:
lol, Hotshots smurf teammates raging because he didn't call MIA.

Apparently he is bad at this game.


well i wouldnt go that far, but a lot of the popular streamers do stupid shit all the time. watched saint last night bitch about his team throwing the game after xerath walks off of tower and gets himself easily 2v1's so saint goes to mid to take all the farm and the 2 people are just still there and kill him too. so he bitches harder in chat about his team being bad


he was right, they were bad but he made mistakes too


To be fair everyone does something stupid occasionally, but I do agree that people in this genre in general suck at taking responsibility for their own mistakes.
NeoIllusions
Profile Blog Joined December 2002
United States37500 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-02-01 13:35:14
February 01 2012 13:33 GMT
#178
ARAB (on CS) is the new ARAM.

Just played my first one, it's so intense. :O
ModeratorFor the Glory that is TeamLiquid (-9 | 155) | Discord: NeoIllusions#1984
Microchaton
Profile Joined March 2011
France342 Posts
February 01 2012 13:39 GMT
#179
On February 01 2012 22:33 NeoIllusions wrote:
ARAB (on CS) is the new ARAM.


I trolled quite a lot of people using that :D "Can play, no ARABs please!"
Stormy
Noocta
Profile Joined June 2010
France12578 Posts
February 01 2012 13:41 GMT
#180
On February 01 2012 16:43 forgotten0ne wrote:
Anyone else feel like Ziggs could be the most op release champ of all time? It's all going to depend on his ratios...


Not even close to possible.
If you didn't play during Xin release, you don't know what OP on release mean.
" I'm not gonna fight you. I'm gonna kick your ass ! "
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