EPT[Patch 1.0.0.132: Sejuani] General Discussion - Page 45
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qanik
Denmark1899 Posts
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Blitzkrieg0
United States13132 Posts
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clickrush
Switzerland3257 Posts
On January 19 2012 23:30 Shiv. wrote: Brutalizer is not the bestest of ideas, basically because it delays your core by a good bit while not offering the trading capabilities Doran's stacking offers. IF you really want to spend 1400 gold on something else than boots before your BF sword, I'd consider getting 2 Doran's blades, because they cost 387 gold less than your Bruta and while they don't offer ArP or CDR, the tiny bit of life steal and ESPECIALLY the HP are really appreciated in lane. I think your right on the matter that you shouldnt trade bruta for dblades. In the other hand if you plan on pressuring your opponent in lane, then 2-3 dblades + bruta is the way to go, especially if you face armor buffs (taric, soraka, sona, graves, wriggles, tabi) in lane. It then would be an early game investment ofc but it could pay out if you manage to capitalize from the stronger early-midgame. The bruta parts are cheap and effective and you can't compare buying a bruta at all to saving up for a BF. One is aggressive and builds up fast with every bluepill, the other is playing defensively until you get enough money. The reason we dont see this often in tournaments probably comes from the passive early game play, which is way safer and consistent, also sheen->trinity is one of the most popular midgame goals if you want to be aggressive, I've seen it at least once on a vayne (can't remember who played her though). I also think it's not allways the best option to play aggressive in lane even if you can. If you consider your opponent to be just as good as you, then you can't expect to get fed by him, so even if your doing better you will not have as much farm as you would have just playing a tight and safe farm game. So the question would be 'who needs a better ad carry this game?' i guess in a double ap lineup you want a farmed ad carry but with a double bruiser lineup you can consider going for heavy pressure on theirs. Everyone who plays bruisers often knows that you almost cannot win games where the other ad carry gets major farm early on. | ||
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turdburgler
England6749 Posts
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Sandster
United States4054 Posts
Either way you look at it you shouldn't get Brut: -You base with ~400-1000 gold. Buy dorans instead of long swords. -You base with ~1337-1600 gold. Buy 2 dorans + vamp scepter + zerker boots instead of brutalizer. -You base with 1650+ gold. Buy a BF sword instead (or doran/vamp/zerker if you prefer those first). AD's aren't slot starved so there's no reason not to get the dorans. EDIT: If you run armor pen reds, you will have 21 pen + 15 from brutalizer = 36 pen. Assuming your opponent runs flat armor yellows (which you should), your lane opponent will come to lane with minimum 30 armor at level 1, plus more with levels and with soraka/taric/sona. You won't reduce armor to 0 with a brutalizer and it's just not worth it. | ||
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clickrush
Switzerland3257 Posts
On January 20 2012 00:21 turdburgler wrote: i always think my opponent is worse than me because im at low elo and blame my team for all my losses, this is why i go bruta ;D This reminds me of a specific playertype everyone should know. It's the "I allways win" or "you'll see" guy. You can recognize him in the picking phase because he will often claim lanes/champs very early on and try to convince everybody to leave him that position. Ingame he will play throughout aggressively NO MATTER WHAT. Even if behind, even when pushing like a madman and even when 3 misses. This type often has some decent mechanical skill but the his understanding is like 40% of the players on his elo. If he doesn't get ganked early on and can play his game, then he will freaking carry you. If not, then he will blame his team and feed on, honestly believing that what he is doing is the right thing. The best way to handle these guys is to support them as much as possible I think. On January 20 2012 00:31 Sandster wrote: In an otherwise equal bot lane, a brutalizer opener cannot trade with a double doran opener (i.e. the doran opener is stronger). You do slightly more damage with the brutalizer, but you can't compete with the extra life and lifesteal of dorans, especially when you factor the almost 400 gold difference between the two (which is almost the cost of a vamp scepter, or 1/4 of a BF). Either way you look at it you shouldn't get Brut: -You go back to base with ~400-1000 gold. Buy dorans isntead of long swords. -You go back to base with ~1337-1600 gold. Buy 2 dorans + vamp scepter + zerker boots instead of brutalizer. -You go back to base with 1650+ gold. Buy a BF sword instead (or doran/vamp/zerker if you prefer) AD's aren't slot starved so there's no reason not to get the dorans. I didnt argue about this at all. | ||
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Sandster
United States4054 Posts
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Mogwai
United States13274 Posts
On January 20 2012 00:31 clickrush wrote: This reminds me of a specific playertype everyone should know. It's the "I allways win" or "you'll see" guy. You can recognize him in the picking phase because he will often claim lanes/champs very early on and try to convince everybody to leave him that position. Ingame he will play throughout aggressively NO MATTER WHAT. Even if behind, even when pushing like a madman and even when 3 misses. This type often has some decent mechanical skill but the his understanding is like 40% of the players on his elo. If he doesn't get ganked early on and can play his game, then he will freaking carry you. If not, then he will blame his team and feed on, honestly believing that what he is doing is the right thing. The best way to handle these guys is to support them as much as possible I think. ...orrrrrrrr it's SmashGizmo on a smurf and he really is going to go 5-0 vs. that Nidalee in the first 5 minutes :p. | ||
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Alaric
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Mogwai
United States13274 Posts
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Requizen
United States33802 Posts
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Mogwai
United States13274 Posts
On January 20 2012 00:53 Requizen wrote: Speaking of junglers, is it considered acceptable to gank one lane more and basically ignore one or the other? I often find myself floating between top and mid, since bot often seems to be more of a standstill to me. People at lower elo or normals usually just turn bot into a farmfest of CS and heals. you're the jungler, gank where you see fit. some people will bitch and moan if you just camp one lane, but if you get a kill every time you go top and in the meantime mid is staying even on farm but bitching about you not getting ganks, tell him tough titties and keep ganking top until you force a ragequit. | ||
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sylverfyre
United States8298 Posts
On January 19 2012 22:16 seRapH wrote: Speaking of which are we going to have a list of trash masteries? Havoc seems to be one of the weaker ones in offense, as is evasion in defense and the starting gold etc... More specifically is the 1mp5/point in meditation worth it if I'm playing 21/4/5 ranged ads? Havoc is alright for casters, where you have high base damage on your abilities. It's not very good on autoattackers, though (it's worth significantly less than 1 AD per point, until you have 200 AD. At level 1, 3 points isn't even worth +1 damage!) On the other hand, it's not that hard to get your spells to be doing over 200 damage per spellcast. This includes AD casters like pantheon, too. | ||
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turdburgler
England6749 Posts
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Unentschieden
Germany1471 Posts
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wei2coolman
United States60033 Posts
On January 20 2012 01:12 Mogwai wrote: you're the jungler, gank where you see fit. some people will bitch and moan if you just camp one lane, but if you get a kill every time you go top and in the meantime mid is staying even on farm but bitching about you not getting ganks, tell him tough titties and keep ganking top until you force a ragequit. lol, I don't play many junglers, but when I do, I usually can force a rage quit. I rarely gank bot, unless A) my team has it warded AND B) my teammates are getting pushed. | ||
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JackDino
Gabon6219 Posts
Not sure if this has been mentioned yet but the smartcast range indicator option can now be found ingame under more options, doesn't seem to do anything for me though. | ||
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Mogwai
United States13274 Posts
EDIT: this is actually 90% of why jungle Panth is viable IMO. Camp top early, then ding six, ult bot, double kill -> dragon. He definitely has the strongest level 6 jungle gank on bot lane with that ult that they can't see coming. | ||
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Requizen
United States33802 Posts
On January 20 2012 03:04 Mogwai wrote: I love bot ganks, they're the highest reward ganks in the game, almost always at least 1 kill + dragon. they're the hardest to pull off, but man, so rewarding when you can. EDIT: this is actually 90% of why jungle Panth is viable IMO. Camp top early, then ding six, ult bot, double kill -> dragon. He definitely has the strongest level 6 jungle gank on bot lane with that ult that they can't see coming. Same could be said of Noc (or TF) to be honest. I'm more scared of Noc flying out of the Jungle and cutting off sight of my lanemate than I am of Panth jumping me, especially if I have a healer support. | ||
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Sandster
United States4054 Posts
Regardless, your bot lane is low and used their cooldowns, and their team has 4 guys poised to take dragon. It's not that simple, but it's why Pantheon level 6 ganks are deadly for bot lane. There's no way to trade favorably, and no real way to escape it unless you're already pressed into your own turret (in which case they can just drag anyway). Your only real option is to see him preparing to leap and counterganking. It's definitely comparable to Nocturne and TF. You actually have a chance to escape Nocturne, and TF isn't really a jungler so you should be able to see him moving away from mid towards bot and react. | ||
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