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turdburgler
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
England6749 Posts
January 19 2012 18:55 GMT
#901
theres no reason you couldnt jungle TF, wild cards and red card real stronk aoe. yellow card nice for when u are just finishing up the strong minion of a pack.
Two_DoWn
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States13684 Posts
January 19 2012 18:59 GMT
#902
Whats this I hear about jungle tf? Apart from the fact that it is viable in competitive play?


And that I TOTALY FUCKING CALLED IT!
"What is the air speed velocity of an unladen courier?" "Dire or Radiant?"
Requizen
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States33802 Posts
January 19 2012 19:04 GMT
#903
It was in a scrim or two a while back. It seems a bit wonky, but I'm sure with the right build/runes/masteries it's workable for good players. Nice ganks via teleport and stun, and Wild Card shots are super long range to catch someone off guard with.

I could see it working. Probably not well, but viable if practiced.
It's your boy Guzma!
Two_DoWn
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States13684 Posts
January 19 2012 19:05 GMT
#904
On January 20 2012 04:04 Requizen wrote:
It was in a scrim or two a while back. It seems a bit wonky, but I'm sure with the right build/runes/masteries it's workable for good players. Nice ganks via teleport and stun, and Wild Card shots are super long range to catch someone off guard with.

I could see it working. Probably not well, but viable if practiced.

If by scrim you mean the IPL KOTH game 2.

Although that was a bad game because Atlanta had no idea how to do it properly and his kassadin was straight up retarded.
"What is the air speed velocity of an unladen courier?" "Dire or Radiant?"
nojok
Profile Joined May 2011
France15845 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-01-19 19:12:06
January 19 2012 19:07 GMT
#905
I've faced a jungle sion smiteless with lifesteal runes. It's like +6% + 3% from masteries + 12% from vamp scepter. Maybe It would be ok on a Mundo with speed red and blue and armor yellow starting E?
"Back then teams that won were credited, now it's called throw. I think it's sad." - Kuroky - Flap Flap Wings!
JBright
Profile Joined September 2010
Vancouver14381 Posts
January 19 2012 19:10 GMT
#906
On January 20 2012 04:05 Two_DoWn wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 20 2012 04:04 Requizen wrote:
It was in a scrim or two a while back. It seems a bit wonky, but I'm sure with the right build/runes/masteries it's workable for good players. Nice ganks via teleport and stun, and Wild Card shots are super long range to catch someone off guard with.

I could see it working. Probably not well, but viable if practiced.

If by scrim you mean the IPL KOTH game 2.

Although that was a bad game because Atlanta had no idea how to do it properly and his kassadin was straight up retarded.


Didn't one of the Asian teams pull a jungle TF back in IEM Guangzhuo? But those I don't think those games were streamed though.
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Sandster
Profile Joined November 2006
United States4054 Posts
January 19 2012 19:14 GMT
#907
How's his clear speed and durability? I would think he's incredibly easy to invade and countergank early.
Two_DoWn
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States13684 Posts
January 19 2012 19:16 GMT
#908
On January 20 2012 04:14 Sandster wrote:
How's his clear speed and durability? I would think he's incredibly easy to invade and countergank early.

His clearspeed is pretty meh. I mean, it isnt horrible, but you do need a wriggles, but red card does a decent job spreading a little bit of AOE out.

He is actually pretty hard to invade. Having a stun every 4 seconds means that if you dont just jump him and kill him immediately you are going to get converged on by his team, and if he has red buff he can just kite you all day.
"What is the air speed velocity of an unladen courier?" "Dire or Radiant?"
Sabin010
Profile Joined September 2010
United States1892 Posts
January 19 2012 19:30 GMT
#909
Personally I think more junglers should look into playing Exhaust, Smite. Most junglers tend to die when they get caught and flash is down, but exhaust allows you to 1v1 more effectively, and the junglers who can escape when caught (shaco, udyr, and shyvanna come to mind) could potentially benefit from being much stronger in 1v1 situations by taking exhaust.
Seuss
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States10536 Posts
January 19 2012 19:30 GMT
#910
On January 20 2012 03:59 Two_DoWn wrote:
Whats this I hear about jungle tf? Apart from the fact that it is viable in competitive play?


And that I TOTALY FUCKING CALLED IT!


Today we learn that mentioning Jungle TF in passing causes TwoDown to go wild like it's become the new meta. I swear, someone could say "TF is viable" referring to Trinity Force and this man would be all over it saying, "I TOLD YOU ALL, YOU SAID I WAS MAD BUT I TOLD YOU ALL, JUNGLE TF FOREVER BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH!"

On topic, I find Pantheon ganks scarier than Nocturne ganks. Both are scary, but Pantheon's ganks make it easier for his lanemates to catch you, whereas many Nocturne ganks leave it entirely up to him to kill you.
"I am not able to carry all this people alone, for they are too heavy for me." -Moses (Numbers 11:14)
Alaric
Profile Joined November 2009
France45622 Posts
January 19 2012 19:39 GMT
#911
On January 20 2012 04:30 Sabin010 wrote:
Personally I think more junglers should look into playing Exhaust, Smite. Most junglers tend to die when they get caught and flash is down, but exhaust allows you to 1v1 more effectively, and the junglers who can escape when caught (shaco, udyr, and shyvanna come to mind) could potentially benefit from being much stronger in 1v1 situations by taking exhaust.


Already doing it on Trundle. But he's already obnoxious by himself, it just compliments his ganks well and he doesn't really need flash to escape in the jungle.
Cant take LMS hipsters serious.
Hidden_MotiveS
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
Canada2562 Posts
January 19 2012 19:53 GMT
#912
On January 20 2012 04:30 Seuss wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 20 2012 03:59 Two_DoWn wrote:
Whats this I hear about jungle tf? Apart from the fact that it is viable in competitive play?


And that I TOTALY FUCKING CALLED IT!


Today we learn that mentioning Jungle TF in passing causes TwoDown to go wild like it's become the new meta. I swear, someone could say "TF is viable" referring to Trinity Force and this man would be all over it saying, "I TOLD YOU ALL, YOU SAID I WAS MAD BUT I TOLD YOU ALL, JUNGLE TF FOREVER BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH!"

On topic, I find Pantheon ganks scarier than Nocturne ganks. Both are scary, but Pantheon's ganks make it easier for his lanemates to catch you, whereas many Nocturne ganks leave it entirely up to him to kill you.

So... how bout that jungle annie?
r.Evo
Profile Joined August 2006
Germany14080 Posts
January 19 2012 19:54 GMT
#913
On January 20 2012 00:53 Requizen wrote:
Speaking of junglers, is it considered acceptable to gank one lane more and basically ignore one or the other? I often find myself floating between top and mid, since bot often seems to be more of a standstill to me. People at lower elo or normals usually just turn bot into a farmfest of CS and heals.


I had it happen in a recent game of mine where I was moving to top for a lvl 4 gank BAM my Irelia dies 1n1. K. IMA GANK MID. I move to mid, get a gank off, do wraiths, waddle top, MAH IRELIA DIES AGAIN FKING !%@%&.


If that happens to me and I feel as if ganking top would most likely result in either of us dieing I completely ignore the lane and try to shit all over their midlane, get oracles and shit all over their botlane. If something like that happens imo a) you need the other solo (+pink/oracle) and get the lane that's behind ganked or b) you need to pressure the hell out of the other solo + bot and hope their jungle doesn't respond in time to countergank.


If the lane that's behind bitches about you not helping use any of those quotes randomly... and start helping the lane once you're 5-0 with the first dragon in your pocket:
- "It's warded."
- "You fed him wards, can't gank."
- "Go clean up the mess you caused yourself."
- "Sorry, I'm busy helping the people who didn't die 1n1 back to back."


Making bot ganks successfull is, imo, early on the supports job. That first pinkward is fucking huge if placed properly.
"We don't make mistakes here, we call it happy little accidents." ~Bob Ross
Slayer91
Profile Joined February 2006
Ireland23335 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-01-19 19:57:26
January 19 2012 19:56 GMT
#914
What? Why do you need to reply to anyone? If someone flames me or asks for a gank I take it under advisement I almost never respond.
Sometimes you'd need to think over whether or not your decision was flameworthy and just flaming them back is like brainwashing yourself into never looking back on these kind of things.
Shiv.
Profile Joined January 2011
3534 Posts
January 19 2012 19:57 GMT
#915
On January 20 2012 04:30 Sabin010 wrote:
Personally I think more junglers should look into playing Exhaust, Smite. Most junglers tend to die when they get caught and flash is down, but exhaust allows you to 1v1 more effectively, and the junglers who can escape when caught (shaco, udyr, and shyvanna come to mind) could potentially benefit from being much stronger in 1v1 situations by taking exhaust.

Been doing it forever on Shaco because it makes 1v1ing him while splitpushing even more impossible.
Now, I started doing it on Lee, Jarman, Master Yi. Will prolly go back to Flash on Jarman and Lee, mainly because of their ults, but hell, it's so good on Master Yi.
currently rooting for myself.
starfries
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
Canada3508 Posts
January 19 2012 20:01 GMT
#916
Yeah, I usually don't gank bot unless the support says something. One thing I think supports should do more (and something I need to work on) is to not only time wards, but yell BOT NO WARDS whenever it goes down.
DJ – do you like ramen, Savior? Savior – not really. Bisu – I eat it often. Flash – I’m a maniac! | Foxer Fighting!
Mogwai
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
United States13274 Posts
January 19 2012 20:05 GMT
#917
On January 20 2012 03:10 Requizen wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 20 2012 03:04 Mogwai wrote:
I love bot ganks, they're the highest reward ganks in the game, almost always at least 1 kill + dragon. they're the hardest to pull off, but man, so rewarding when you can.

EDIT: this is actually 90% of why jungle Panth is viable IMO. Camp top early, then ding six, ult bot, double kill -> dragon. He definitely has the strongest level 6 jungle gank on bot lane with that ult that they can't see coming.

Same could be said of Noc (or TF) to be honest. I'm more scared of Noc flying out of the Jungle and cutting off sight of my lanemate than I am of Panth jumping me, especially if I have a healer support.

level 1 noct ult is pathetically short range, don't kid yourself into thinking it's even close to as easy for noct to slip through wards to gank bot as it is for Pantheon.
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iCanada
Profile Joined August 2010
Canada10660 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-01-19 20:20:00
January 19 2012 20:17 GMT
#918
On January 20 2012 04:53 Hidden_MotiveS wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 20 2012 04:30 Seuss wrote:
On January 20 2012 03:59 Two_DoWn wrote:
Whats this I hear about jungle tf? Apart from the fact that it is viable in competitive play?


And that I TOTALY FUCKING CALLED IT!


Today we learn that mentioning Jungle TF in passing causes TwoDown to go wild like it's become the new meta. I swear, someone could say "TF is viable" referring to Trinity Force and this man would be all over it saying, "I TOLD YOU ALL, YOU SAID I WAS MAD BUT I TOLD YOU ALL, JUNGLE TF FOREVER BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH!"

On topic, I find Pantheon ganks scarier than Nocturne ganks. Both are scary, but Pantheon's ganks make it easier for his lanemates to catch you, whereas many Nocturne ganks leave it entirely up to him to kill you.

So... how bout that jungle annie?


I'd argue Morgana would be a much better jungler than Annie because she has more AoE,a reliable stun, as well as another reliable stun. Morg could clear about as quick as anyone, would have sick ganks, and with her passive probably have pretty darn good sustain too.

... I mean this is all theorycraft, but why has no one ever tried it? (aside from their being more rice in the lane)

o.o
JackDino
Profile Joined July 2010
Gabon6219 Posts
January 19 2012 20:23 GMT
#919
Saint jungled morg one, annie clears quicker, her E also good. Tibbers gank real terror.
This isnt Broodwar so I dont owe anyone respect for beating me. -arb
jadoth
Profile Joined December 2011
694 Posts
January 19 2012 20:26 GMT
#920
On January 20 2012 05:17 iCanada wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 20 2012 04:53 Hidden_MotiveS wrote:
On January 20 2012 04:30 Seuss wrote:
On January 20 2012 03:59 Two_DoWn wrote:
Whats this I hear about jungle tf? Apart from the fact that it is viable in competitive play?


And that I TOTALY FUCKING CALLED IT!


Today we learn that mentioning Jungle TF in passing causes TwoDown to go wild like it's become the new meta. I swear, someone could say "TF is viable" referring to Trinity Force and this man would be all over it saying, "I TOLD YOU ALL, YOU SAID I WAS MAD BUT I TOLD YOU ALL, JUNGLE TF FOREVER BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH!"

On topic, I find Pantheon ganks scarier than Nocturne ganks. Both are scary, but Pantheon's ganks make it easier for his lanemates to catch you, whereas many Nocturne ganks leave it entirely up to him to kill you.

So... how bout that jungle annie?


I'd argue Morgana would be a much better jungler than Annie because she has more AoE,a reliable stun, as well as another reliable stun. Morg could clear about as quick as anyone, would have sick ganks, and with her passive probably have pretty darn good sustain too.

... I mean this is all theorycraft, but why has no one ever tried it? (aside from their being more rice in the lane)

o.o


i think morg's cds are too long to jungle. i have never tried it but even a like level 13 i feel like i need help to get blue in a reasonable amount of time.
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