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turdburgler
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
England6749 Posts
January 19 2012 20:26 GMT
#921
people forget that annies e is an armor steroid : D

shes like rammus, except if rammus could throw firey bears to stun you!
BluzMan
Profile Blog Joined April 2006
Russian Federation4235 Posts
January 19 2012 20:27 GMT
#922
On January 20 2012 00:31 clickrush wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 20 2012 00:21 turdburgler wrote:
i always think my opponent is worse than me because im at low elo and blame my team for all my losses, this is why i go bruta

;D


This reminds me of a specific playertype everyone should know. It's the "I allways win" or "you'll see" guy. You can recognize him in the picking phase because he will often claim lanes/champs very early on and try to convince everybody to leave him that position. Ingame he will play throughout aggressively NO MATTER WHAT. Even if behind, even when pushing like a madman and even when 3 misses. This type often has some decent mechanical skill but the his understanding is like 40% of the players on his elo. If he doesn't get ganked early on and can play his game, then he will freaking carry you. If not, then he will blame his team and feed on, honestly believing that what he is doing is the right thing. The best way to handle these guys is to support them as much as possible I think..


And then this guy changes his nickname to something stupid like "HotShotGG" and starts streaming his games for money.
You want 20 good men, but you need a bad pussy.
Mios
Profile Joined April 2010
United States686 Posts
January 19 2012 20:30 GMT
#923
On January 20 2012 05:17 iCanada wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 20 2012 04:53 Hidden_MotiveS wrote:
On January 20 2012 04:30 Seuss wrote:
On January 20 2012 03:59 Two_DoWn wrote:
Whats this I hear about jungle tf? Apart from the fact that it is viable in competitive play?


And that I TOTALY FUCKING CALLED IT!


Today we learn that mentioning Jungle TF in passing causes TwoDown to go wild like it's become the new meta. I swear, someone could say "TF is viable" referring to Trinity Force and this man would be all over it saying, "I TOLD YOU ALL, YOU SAID I WAS MAD BUT I TOLD YOU ALL, JUNGLE TF FOREVER BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH!"

On topic, I find Pantheon ganks scarier than Nocturne ganks. Both are scary, but Pantheon's ganks make it easier for his lanemates to catch you, whereas many Nocturne ganks leave it entirely up to him to kill you.

So... how bout that jungle annie?


I'd argue Morgana would be a much better jungler than Annie because she has more AoE,a reliable stun, as well as another reliable stun. Morg could clear about as quick as anyone, would have sick ganks, and with her passive probably have pretty darn good sustain too.

... I mean this is all theorycraft, but why has no one ever tried it? (aside from their being more rice in the lane)

o.o


I saw saint do it and it worked really well, so then I tried it two games. Won one, lost one. Early on it's kind of hard cuz her spells dont do much dmg and she takes a beating from the creeps (I think I went cloth 5, you need pots), gotta b at lvl 4 or so and you're very vulnerable before then. But once you get lvl 7-8 and ur first few items it's really fast clears and good ganks.
no LAN and intercontinental bnet = T_T
Offhand
Profile Joined June 2010
United States1869 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-01-19 20:36:01
January 19 2012 20:32 GMT
#924
Has anyone bought a set of hybrid reds/quints (arpen/mpen) yet?I'm convinced they'd work on a number of builds but it's a fuckton of IP to actually buy them.

Unrelated bit: Dynno broadaster appears to hate LoL. Changing from non-game client to game client stops the streaming and trying to get the stream going once you're in game (and in windowless) won't happen. I can stream SC2, Skyrim ,and anything else without this issue.
Two_DoWn
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States13684 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-01-19 20:56:12
January 19 2012 20:54 GMT
#925
Jungle annie is suprisingly decent. She is really slow up till she gets her cata, but after that she actually snowballs very well because tibbers is still a fucking best. Her ganks are very strong, and because her base damages are high, you dont have to worry about not having a ton of ap right of the bat and can scale into the game a little bit.

But by late game I was doing typical annie stuff- running forward, dropping tibbers, chunking carries for their entire health bars. The kind of sucky thing is that you need ghost instead of flash, but its not THAT big a deal.


And hybrid pen runes are fucking terrible because of how little mpen they actually give. If you are going for flat pen, you want to be able to cut through EVERYTHING a squishy has at low level (ie all 30). They just dont do that. Not to mention there isnt a single character who actually DOES benifit from hybrid penetration anymore. Much more efficient to itemize and rune 1 penetration and go from there.
"What is the air speed velocity of an unladen courier?" "Dire or Radiant?"
57 Corvette
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Canada5941 Posts
January 19 2012 21:00 GMT
#926
So, first time I take cleanse on a ranged ad (Graves), I don't get a single chance to use it

The opponents had a decent amount of CC (Viktor, Vayne, Soraka, Yorick, Leesin), but they never sent it my way. I proceed to go 4/0/7 and wreck in the single teamfight of the game.
Survival is winning, everything else is bullshit.
Ryalnos
Profile Joined July 2010
United States1946 Posts
January 19 2012 21:04 GMT
#927
Well, did you win? If so I'm not sure why you're complaining .
Cloud
Profile Blog Joined November 2004
Sexico5880 Posts
January 19 2012 21:12 GMT
#928
Anyone here plays katarina top? If so which runes/masteries/build or which match ups do you prefer and which ones do you avoid?
BlueLaguna on West, msg for game.
57 Corvette
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Canada5941 Posts
January 19 2012 21:14 GMT
#929
Yeah we won, I was only a little upset that I could have taken exaust instead of cleanse and got a kill or two more.
Survival is winning, everything else is bullshit.
JackDino
Profile Joined July 2010
Gabon6219 Posts
January 19 2012 21:14 GMT
#930
On January 20 2012 06:12 Cloud wrote:
Anyone here plays katarina top? If so which runes/masteries/build or which match ups do you prefer and which ones do you avoid?

i dabble with kat at 1900 if that counts

go top lane, spam BB with your trollface on, farm while other top has to repeatedly b after about lvl 7-ish. get gunblade/rylai's, win game.

21-9 heal/ignite lots of ap rune page

Brees does, can't link to post though.
This isnt Broodwar so I dont owe anyone respect for beating me. -arb
SnK-Arcbound
Profile Joined March 2005
United States4423 Posts
January 19 2012 21:18 GMT
#931
Can someone explain why 1700 elo has such a problem dealing with lee sin? I've lost like 10 games and 100 elo because of the 1700 players not being able to stop dying to an obvious ganking champion.
Hidden_MotiveS
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
Canada2562 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-01-19 21:21:08
January 19 2012 21:19 GMT
#932
I think this game has a low skill cap. Watching Dyrus and Chu stream these days... so many mistakes.
It's not like starcraft.
bmn
Profile Joined August 2010
886 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-01-19 21:22:34
January 19 2012 21:21 GMT
#933
On January 20 2012 06:19 Hidden_MotiveS wrote:
I think this game has a low skill cap. Watching Dyrus and Chu stream these days... so many mistakes.


That's not what low skill cap means. Low skill cap implies that them playing better wouldn't improve their success rate.


Edit: Watch old starcraft games and you might be surprised to see how terrible players were compared to the professional players a few years later. It's a huge change. Also, obviously there's a much longer history for professional (hardcore) SC.
zulu_nation8
Profile Blog Joined May 2005
China26351 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-01-19 21:27:11
January 19 2012 21:26 GMT
#934
On January 20 2012 06:18 SnK-Arcbound wrote:
Can someone explain why 1700 elo has such a problem dealing with lee sin? I've lost like 10 games and 100 elo because of the 1700 players not being able to stop dying to an obvious ganking champion.


At the start of every game vs a lee sin i type in caps, LEE SIN GANKS AT LV2, DONT AGGRO TILL YOU KNOW WHERE HE IS PLEASE. Then I look really really carefully for which direction enemy laners come from to lane so that i can type in caps again, MID CAME FROM RED SIDE, CARE TOP/MID FOR EARLY GANK. I believe that lowers the chance your mid gets first blooded by at least half from something like 100% to 50%. I honestly wish I play a good lee, he seems like the most capable champion to kill a game with from getting your carries early kills and counterjungling weak junglers. You can force so many gank opportunities from every path of every lane that no other junglers except rammus can match.
BlackMagister
Profile Joined October 2008
United States5834 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-01-19 21:28:32
January 19 2012 21:27 GMT
#935
What are you supposed to do with channeled ults when the other team has a Soraka? My thoughts are that I need to ult the soraka in the teamfights when I'm WW, but team usually wants to focus someone else so unless my team is stronger it seems like we lose the fight. I guess I could save the ult until right after Soraka uses silence, but it's not a big deal for the soraka to save her silence to prevent an ult.

Also against cc ults it seems like the supports could just get a QSS instead of Shurelias to screw up Galio, WW, Malz ults even if they get caught.
Slayer91
Profile Joined February 2006
Ireland23335 Posts
January 19 2012 21:30 GMT
#936
On January 20 2012 06:12 Cloud wrote:
Anyone here plays katarina top? If so which runes/masteries/build or which match ups do you prefer and which ones do you avoid?


Kat is much better mid she has good harass and harass doesn't count for much vs bruisers.
Hidden_MotiveS
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
Canada2562 Posts
January 19 2012 21:32 GMT
#937
On January 20 2012 06:21 bmn wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 20 2012 06:19 Hidden_MotiveS wrote:
I think this game has a low skill cap. Watching Dyrus and Chu stream these days... so many mistakes.


That's not what low skill cap means. Low skill cap implies that them playing better wouldn't improve their success rate.


Edit: Watch old starcraft games and you might be surprised to see how terrible players were compared to the professional players a few years later. It's a huge change. Also, obviously there's a much longer history for professional (hardcore) SC.

That makes sense.
Shiv.
Profile Joined January 2011
3534 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-01-19 21:40:00
January 19 2012 21:33 GMT
#938
On January 20 2012 06:19 Hidden_MotiveS wrote:
I think this game has a low skill cap. Watching Dyrus and Chu stream these days... so many mistakes.
It's not like starcraft.

You judge people by random solo Q performances? Way to go.
By the way, I was in a state of mind a couple of months ago a while after I started understanding the game a little when I thought I'd see pros do mistakes allllll the time. Took me a bit to realize how bad I actually am and how a little humbleness would make me improve a lot.

Comparing LoL to starcraft is really dumb anyways. There's a fuckton of mechanics to overcome in order to play SC any way near decent, while the quality of a player in League of Legends shows in situations where you have to make quick decisions based on a given amount of information at this point. Like, you know that you can 1v2 this Annie/Soraka as Panth because Annie just dropped Tibbers 30 seconds ago and you counted her W cooldown. Taking her down is the easy part when that situation arises. In SC, you have to actually be on top of your game 100% of the time in order to macro up and create situations where you are on top of or at least equal to your enemy.

On another note, how could you ever end a statement that's odd to make to say the least in such a bad fashion?
It's not like Starcraft. Well, of COURSE it is not like Starcraft. It's a whole different genre, it's a 5v5 game instead of 1v1, it's... Sorry, but that statement was just so not well thought out.
currently rooting for myself.
JackDino
Profile Joined July 2010
Gabon6219 Posts
January 19 2012 21:35 GMT
#939
On January 20 2012 06:19 Hidden_MotiveS wrote:
I think this game has a low skill cap. Watching Dyrus and Chu stream these days... so many mistakes.
It's not like starcraft.

When I watch a silver league stream I see many mistakes aswell, does that mean sc has a low skillcap aswell? Not the place for this anyways.
This isnt Broodwar so I dont owe anyone respect for beating me. -arb
Roffles *
Profile Blog Joined April 2007
Pitcairn19291 Posts
January 19 2012 21:43 GMT
#940
On January 20 2012 06:35 JackDino wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 20 2012 06:19 Hidden_MotiveS wrote:
I think this game has a low skill cap. Watching Dyrus and Chu stream these days... so many mistakes.
It's not like starcraft.

When I watch a silver league stream I see many mistakes aswell, does that mean sc has a low skillcap aswell? Not the place for this anyways.

Since when are Dyrus and Chu comparable to silver leaguers?
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