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On January 19 2012 15:26 Two_DoWn wrote:Show nested quote +On January 19 2012 15:19 iCanada wrote:
I've decided that Talon is ridiculously strong.
He's my new sleeper pick, since everyone and their moms dog love Shyv now. I used to always have Shy to myself, now soemtimes other people pick her.
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Zzz... Come back my secretly imba Shyvana! Talon was must ban a month ago. Then they sort of nerfed him by cutting his mana regen and making his w cost a bit more mana. Didnt touch his burst at all, so he basically is STILL at the same strength he was before. Its just a mark of how stupid the general lol population is. Its why Riot can nerf Trynds q (LOL) and get people to stop complaining about it.
Its funny, I go from having people tell me to play a real champ or even queue dodging because I picked Shy as early as two-three weeks ago. Fastforward to now and I never get to play her unless I am first pick.
Its kinda ridiculous when you think about it. Only realy change since then is the skarner nerf, which isn't even that big a deal.
Silly silly...
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On January 19 2012 15:33 Shiragaku wrote:
But to be honest, whenever I see a Talon, my first thoughts are "Oh boy, a mediocre or feeder" and usually, I am right.
Its not the champion, but rather the person playing him. Talon is still pretty strong as well as really fun to play
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Just played my first game as Malphite. New favorite hero.
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Im just sad that people finally realized sivir was an op bitch. God is she annoying.
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On January 19 2012 15:11 anmolsinghmzn2009 wrote:Show nested quote +On January 19 2012 14:44 starfries wrote:On January 19 2012 14:36 anmolsinghmzn2009 wrote:On January 19 2012 14:04 starfries wrote:![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/oQWGv.png) I dunno, I feel like you can build whatever the hell you want and he does tons of damage. Do you have any replays for those games? O.O My lolrecorder crashed this morning and I didn't bother restarting it so I can't :/ and of course as soon as I post that I get a 4v5 and lose horribly lol edit: and yeah, I think Wriggle's is non-negotiable in lane unless you snowball early and can just push him out without the sustain I've just been keeping a vamp scepter for sustain to get out my GRB+sheen fast and get tanky with belt+resists.
You can probably get away with just vamp scepter if you're a boss at using your dodge, but I feel safer since Wriggle's lets you straight up fight people if you're ahead instead of hit and run. And I like to explore the jungle if I'm winning lane so Wriggle's helps with that, as well as giving you the free ward to jump to.
For laning you basically just walk up and start pounding them and then turn on your E once you get minion aggro. They can't fight back since it's like Pantheon who blocks everything. If they run just follow them, let the stun proc and hit them some more, and then leap away to a minion so they can't hit you back.
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On January 19 2012 15:54 starfries wrote:Show nested quote +On January 19 2012 15:11 anmolsinghmzn2009 wrote:On January 19 2012 14:44 starfries wrote:On January 19 2012 14:36 anmolsinghmzn2009 wrote:On January 19 2012 14:04 starfries wrote:I dunno, I feel like you can build whatever the hell you want and he does tons of damage. Do you have any replays for those games? O.O My lolrecorder crashed this morning and I didn't bother restarting it so I can't :/ and of course as soon as I post that I get a 4v5 and lose horribly lol edit: and yeah, I think Wriggle's is non-negotiable in lane unless you snowball early and can just push him out without the sustain I've just been keeping a vamp scepter for sustain to get out my GRB+sheen fast and get tanky with belt+resists. You can probably get away with just vamp scepter if you're a boss at using your dodge, but I feel safer since Wriggle's lets you straight up fight people if you're ahead instead of hit and run. And I like to explore the jungle if I'm winning lane so Wriggle's helps with that, as well as giving you the free ward to jump to. For laning you basically just walk up and start pounding them and then turn on your E once you get minion aggro. They can't fight back since it's like Pantheon who blocks everything. If they run just follow them, let the stun proc and hit them some more, and then leap away to a minion so they can't hit you back.
Vamp scepter 12% LS, wriggles 15% LS, why would it be such a huge difference? Before you say that wriggles also gives other stats, remember that you''re putting that gold into other items if you just buy a vamp scepter.
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What do you guys do when you get 3 bad teammates? I was having a decent game mid as Veigar, but we had a Ryze who only farmed top and thought the game was about 1v1, a Sion who purposefully stole our jungles reds/blues, and a Teemo who stood mid behind me just to steal xp. It's kinda hard to shake off, makes me just not want to play for the rest of the night :/
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On January 19 2012 16:18 zodde wrote:Show nested quote +On January 19 2012 15:54 starfries wrote:On January 19 2012 15:11 anmolsinghmzn2009 wrote:On January 19 2012 14:44 starfries wrote:On January 19 2012 14:36 anmolsinghmzn2009 wrote:On January 19 2012 14:04 starfries wrote:I dunno, I feel like you can build whatever the hell you want and he does tons of damage. Do you have any replays for those games? O.O My lolrecorder crashed this morning and I didn't bother restarting it so I can't :/ and of course as soon as I post that I get a 4v5 and lose horribly lol edit: and yeah, I think Wriggle's is non-negotiable in lane unless you snowball early and can just push him out without the sustain I've just been keeping a vamp scepter for sustain to get out my GRB+sheen fast and get tanky with belt+resists. You can probably get away with just vamp scepter if you're a boss at using your dodge, but I feel safer since Wriggle's lets you straight up fight people if you're ahead instead of hit and run. And I like to explore the jungle if I'm winning lane so Wriggle's helps with that, as well as giving you the free ward to jump to. For laning you basically just walk up and start pounding them and then turn on your E once you get minion aggro. They can't fight back since it's like Pantheon who blocks everything. If they run just follow them, let the stun proc and hit them some more, and then leap away to a minion so they can't hit you back. Vamp scepter 12% LS, wriggles 15% LS, why would it be such a huge difference? Before you say that wriggles also gives other stats, remember that you''re putting that gold into other items if you just buy a vamp scepter.
The thing is those other stats are basically the ones you'd need anyways.
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On January 19 2012 16:24 starfries wrote:Show nested quote +On January 19 2012 16:18 zodde wrote:On January 19 2012 15:54 starfries wrote:On January 19 2012 15:11 anmolsinghmzn2009 wrote:On January 19 2012 14:44 starfries wrote:On January 19 2012 14:36 anmolsinghmzn2009 wrote:On January 19 2012 14:04 starfries wrote:I dunno, I feel like you can build whatever the hell you want and he does tons of damage. Do you have any replays for those games? O.O My lolrecorder crashed this morning and I didn't bother restarting it so I can't :/ and of course as soon as I post that I get a 4v5 and lose horribly lol edit: and yeah, I think Wriggle's is non-negotiable in lane unless you snowball early and can just push him out without the sustain I've just been keeping a vamp scepter for sustain to get out my GRB+sheen fast and get tanky with belt+resists. You can probably get away with just vamp scepter if you're a boss at using your dodge, but I feel safer since Wriggle's lets you straight up fight people if you're ahead instead of hit and run. And I like to explore the jungle if I'm winning lane so Wriggle's helps with that, as well as giving you the free ward to jump to. For laning you basically just walk up and start pounding them and then turn on your E once you get minion aggro. They can't fight back since it's like Pantheon who blocks everything. If they run just follow them, let the stun proc and hit them some more, and then leap away to a minion so they can't hit you back. Vamp scepter 12% LS, wriggles 15% LS, why would it be such a huge difference? Before you say that wriggles also gives other stats, remember that you''re putting that gold into other items if you just buy a vamp scepter. The thing is those other stats are basically the ones you'd need anyways.
Yeah sure, I'm not saying it's a bad item, I'm just saying you could get the sustain you need for laning with just a vamp scepter. And if you build a vamp scepter instead of wriggles, you can get other items faster and just turn the vamp scepter into a BT or gunblade later on.
This is just pure theory craft, I have only played jax like 6 games since the remake and I've been doing different funky builds each game, to try to get a feel of how to build him. I'm gonna try out vamp scepter, GRB, sheen into tank next game.
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On January 19 2012 16:30 zodde wrote:Show nested quote +On January 19 2012 16:24 starfries wrote:On January 19 2012 16:18 zodde wrote:On January 19 2012 15:54 starfries wrote:On January 19 2012 15:11 anmolsinghmzn2009 wrote:On January 19 2012 14:44 starfries wrote:On January 19 2012 14:36 anmolsinghmzn2009 wrote:On January 19 2012 14:04 starfries wrote:I dunno, I feel like you can build whatever the hell you want and he does tons of damage. Do you have any replays for those games? O.O My lolrecorder crashed this morning and I didn't bother restarting it so I can't :/ and of course as soon as I post that I get a 4v5 and lose horribly lol edit: and yeah, I think Wriggle's is non-negotiable in lane unless you snowball early and can just push him out without the sustain I've just been keeping a vamp scepter for sustain to get out my GRB+sheen fast and get tanky with belt+resists. You can probably get away with just vamp scepter if you're a boss at using your dodge, but I feel safer since Wriggle's lets you straight up fight people if you're ahead instead of hit and run. And I like to explore the jungle if I'm winning lane so Wriggle's helps with that, as well as giving you the free ward to jump to. For laning you basically just walk up and start pounding them and then turn on your E once you get minion aggro. They can't fight back since it's like Pantheon who blocks everything. If they run just follow them, let the stun proc and hit them some more, and then leap away to a minion so they can't hit you back. Vamp scepter 12% LS, wriggles 15% LS, why would it be such a huge difference? Before you say that wriggles also gives other stats, remember that you''re putting that gold into other items if you just buy a vamp scepter. The thing is those other stats are basically the ones you'd need anyways. Yeah sure, I'm not saying it's a bad item, I'm just saying you could get the sustain you need for laning with just a vamp scepter. And if you build a vamp scepter instead of wriggles, you can get other items faster and just turn the vamp scepter into a BT or gunblade later on. This is just pure theory craft, I have only played jax like 6 games since the remake and I've been doing different funky builds each game, to try to get a feel of how to build him. I'm gonna try out vamp scepter, GRB, sheen into tank next game.
If you can get away with it, then by all means go for it. I just find that you kind of need the armor against Rivens and Trynds and other top laners, and since your character is based entirely around hitting people, the AD is never going to be BAD. It's the same idea as getting Wriggle's on Trynd, since although you'd love to only get a vamp scepter and rush a big item, you often just can't lane well enough with only a vamp. And I find the Wriggle's proc really useful for jungle exploration, or pushing the lane quickly when you know the other person went back.
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On January 19 2012 16:36 starfries wrote:Show nested quote +On January 19 2012 16:30 zodde wrote:On January 19 2012 16:24 starfries wrote:On January 19 2012 16:18 zodde wrote:On January 19 2012 15:54 starfries wrote:On January 19 2012 15:11 anmolsinghmzn2009 wrote:On January 19 2012 14:44 starfries wrote:On January 19 2012 14:36 anmolsinghmzn2009 wrote:On January 19 2012 14:04 starfries wrote:I dunno, I feel like you can build whatever the hell you want and he does tons of damage. Do you have any replays for those games? O.O My lolrecorder crashed this morning and I didn't bother restarting it so I can't :/ and of course as soon as I post that I get a 4v5 and lose horribly lol edit: and yeah, I think Wriggle's is non-negotiable in lane unless you snowball early and can just push him out without the sustain I've just been keeping a vamp scepter for sustain to get out my GRB+sheen fast and get tanky with belt+resists. You can probably get away with just vamp scepter if you're a boss at using your dodge, but I feel safer since Wriggle's lets you straight up fight people if you're ahead instead of hit and run. And I like to explore the jungle if I'm winning lane so Wriggle's helps with that, as well as giving you the free ward to jump to. For laning you basically just walk up and start pounding them and then turn on your E once you get minion aggro. They can't fight back since it's like Pantheon who blocks everything. If they run just follow them, let the stun proc and hit them some more, and then leap away to a minion so they can't hit you back. Vamp scepter 12% LS, wriggles 15% LS, why would it be such a huge difference? Before you say that wriggles also gives other stats, remember that you''re putting that gold into other items if you just buy a vamp scepter. The thing is those other stats are basically the ones you'd need anyways. Yeah sure, I'm not saying it's a bad item, I'm just saying you could get the sustain you need for laning with just a vamp scepter. And if you build a vamp scepter instead of wriggles, you can get other items faster and just turn the vamp scepter into a BT or gunblade later on. This is just pure theory craft, I have only played jax like 6 games since the remake and I've been doing different funky builds each game, to try to get a feel of how to build him. I'm gonna try out vamp scepter, GRB, sheen into tank next game. If you can get away with it, then by all means go for it. I just find that you kind of need the armor against Rivens and Trynds and other top laners, and since your character is based entirely around hitting people, the AD is never going to be BAD. It's the same idea as getting Wriggle's on Trynd, since although you'd love to only get a vamp scepter and rush a big item, you often just can't lane well enough with only a vamp. And I find the Wriggle's proc really useful for jungle exploration, or pushing the lane quickly when you know the other person went back.
We're basicly saying the same thing ^^ And yeah i love it too, pushing, clearing jungle camps faster, warding over a wall and jumping to it, amazing utility. Just gonna try to play without it for a few games, explore some builds
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On January 19 2012 15:03 gtrsrs wrote:
I feel like fizz is extremely strong and a great choice for either top or mid, and I'm trying a ton of shit on him but no matter how strong I feel, I'm never quite dominant, just strong. Never quite enough to carry like I can with skarner or
Riven. What are people running in terms of both runes/masteries and item builds? I feel like I just need a small adjustment to take him to the next level but I don't know whatthat is. Any tips?
Top lane I'm running pure armor and movespeed and just shitting on trynds and rivens, mid more of an ap centric build
still looking for help on this
last game i ran my riven runes (armor, armor, arpen, MRES) and build aegis into abyssal, went 5-0-4 against a mordekaiser who was completely not prepared for me
dunno if it was good or flukey
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On January 19 2012 14:28 Hidden_MotiveS wrote:Show nested quote +On January 19 2012 13:58 Cedstick wrote:Hey, dudes, since I have an existing SC2 stream thread already, thought I'd post this here instead of make a new LoL thread. Streaming low-level ranked 5s with Skype http://www.justin.tv/cedstick Ranked looks hard. The caitlyn traps were funny, though I think lee sin can walk around the bottom side since they nerfed the area of the traps trigger, and he can just ward and safeguard over or gank from the enemy jungle or even river to tribrush. safeguard is a dash. Those don't work on cait traps.
Thanks for watching, man. Really enjoy streaming LoL with Skype, and it looks like others do too. Picked-up ten viewers out of no where :D
Gonna get on around 1, not sure if it'll be LoL or not, but I'll post here if it is.
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On January 19 2012 16:18 zodde wrote:Show nested quote +On January 19 2012 15:54 starfries wrote:On January 19 2012 15:11 anmolsinghmzn2009 wrote:On January 19 2012 14:44 starfries wrote:On January 19 2012 14:36 anmolsinghmzn2009 wrote:On January 19 2012 14:04 starfries wrote:I dunno, I feel like you can build whatever the hell you want and he does tons of damage. Do you have any replays for those games? O.O My lolrecorder crashed this morning and I didn't bother restarting it so I can't :/ and of course as soon as I post that I get a 4v5 and lose horribly lol edit: and yeah, I think Wriggle's is non-negotiable in lane unless you snowball early and can just push him out without the sustain I've just been keeping a vamp scepter for sustain to get out my GRB+sheen fast and get tanky with belt+resists. You can probably get away with just vamp scepter if you're a boss at using your dodge, but I feel safer since Wriggle's lets you straight up fight people if you're ahead instead of hit and run. And I like to explore the jungle if I'm winning lane so Wriggle's helps with that, as well as giving you the free ward to jump to. For laning you basically just walk up and start pounding them and then turn on your E once you get minion aggro. They can't fight back since it's like Pantheon who blocks everything. If they run just follow them, let the stun proc and hit them some more, and then leap away to a minion so they can't hit you back. Vamp scepter 12% LS, wriggles 15% LS, why would it be such a huge difference? Before you say that wriggles also gives other stats, remember that you''re putting that gold into other items if you just buy a vamp scepter.
The AD is good(more damage, more sustain), the armour is awesome against any physical top, the ward is great for jumping but that's about it. If you're vs someone like kennen or vlad you don't really need a wriggles.
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What's there to even say on the matter.
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What do you guys think about taking the +3 AD masteries instead of the +3 AP masteries as a normal AP character. Just asking since I saw Salce take it as morgana, stating it would help with his CS, which I thought was kinda weird :S. (Though he did take +3 AP for Vlad for the extra health).
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On January 19 2012 18:20 Bessey wrote:
What do you guys think about taking the +3 AD masteries instead of the +3 AP masteries as a normal AP character. Just asking since I saw Salce take it as morgana, stating it would help with his CS, which I thought was kinda weird :S. (Though he did take +3 AP for Vlad for the extra health).
3 AP doesn't do that much early and late 3 ap is almost nothing. 3 AD can do quite a bit early, late it doesn't matter either.
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On January 19 2012 18:20 Bessey wrote:
What do you guys think about taking the +3 AD masteries instead of the +3 AP masteries as a normal AP character. Just asking since I saw Salce take it as morgana, stating it would help with his CS, which I thought was kinda weird :S. (Though he did take +3 AP for Vlad for the extra health).
It helps tremendously with last hitting. I don't know why on morgana though, she has fairly short auto range, but a good animation. It's very good, although I prefer butcher on shorter ranged AP's because they won't be autoing enemy champions very much.
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I take the +4 damage to minions on most AP champs where I go offensive anyway.
Also, LeBonk (I understood why you spell it that way when I heard Phreak pronounce the final c like a k... you don't do it at all, it's only there to make you pronounce "an" and not "ann"! >.<) not that stronk against Galio 70 MR level 1.  Got somebody get counterpicked like that yesterday, then one on his team dodged and we faced two other times (two dodges, had a different person as enemy first pick after that). He banned Galio as his 3rd each time.
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