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On January 28 2012 18:36 gtrsrs wrote:Show nested quote +On January 28 2012 18:25 Seuss wrote:On January 28 2012 18:14 gtrsrs wrote:On January 28 2012 17:54 Unentschieden wrote:On January 28 2012 16:37 gtrsrs wrote:
i think WW's E needs to be just pure passive, and give him an active like double speed boost for 2-3 seconds, and maybe make his W give less AS and grant cleave to WW or his teammates and he'll be golden His ganks would be even worse with the "WW coming" souldclip and icon. And that cleave really doesn´t serve any purpose. the cleave would give him aoe in the jungle HERP in a meta where aoe junglers are king DERP There really needs to be a better solution to this problem than giving all junglers AoE. Also, I'm assuming that since you made this suggestion you don't agree with wei2coolman's assertion that Warwick's clearspeeds are on par with top tier junglers. actually i am the one who has been asserting forever that warwick was fine in the old jungle my clearspeed was like... 5 seconds slower than udyr it's a bit worse in the new jungle but it's not BAD. it's just the "slightly poor clearspeed" combined with the "no cc til level 6" and the "level 6 comes slightly later" that makes everyone thing ww is garbage. compare to udyr who has neither, skarner who has neither, shyvana who has no cc but INSANE clear speed and ww just seems worse. i really think he's alright, but giving him a tiny bit of cleave will make him seem a bit better imhowic
Handing out random functionality changes that double as buffs is horrible design. Especially if the issue is that certain other champions are too good!
The proper answer to AOE clears to fast isn´t AOE for everyone. Not only would that accelerate power creep but also narrow the designspace.
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On January 28 2012 18:36 gtrsrs wrote:Show nested quote +On January 28 2012 18:25 Seuss wrote:On January 28 2012 18:14 gtrsrs wrote:On January 28 2012 17:54 Unentschieden wrote:On January 28 2012 16:37 gtrsrs wrote:
i think WW's E needs to be just pure passive, and give him an active like double speed boost for 2-3 seconds, and maybe make his W give less AS and grant cleave to WW or his teammates and he'll be golden His ganks would be even worse with the "WW coming" souldclip and icon. And that cleave really doesn´t serve any purpose. the cleave would give him aoe in the jungle HERP in a meta where aoe junglers are king DERP There really needs to be a better solution to this problem than giving all junglers AoE. Also, I'm assuming that since you made this suggestion you don't agree with wei2coolman's assertion that Warwick's clearspeeds are on par with top tier junglers. actually i am the one who has been asserting forever that warwick was fine in the old jungle my clearspeed was like... 5 seconds slower than udyr it's a bit worse in the new jungle but it's not BAD. it's just the "slightly poor clearspeed" combined with the "no cc til level 6" and the "level 6 comes slightly later" that makes everyone thing ww is garbage. compare to udyr who has neither, skarner who has neither, shyvana who has no cc but INSANE clear speed and ww just seems worse. i really think he's alright, but giving him a tiny bit of cleave will make him seem a bit better imhowic
Well regarding cleave, any changes to warwick are also gonna affect lanewick too so they need to balance keeping that in mind. Also like nasus, warwick's lategame is insane so any boost to his early game needs to be done really carefully.
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On January 28 2012 18:37 Zdrastochye wrote:Show nested quote +On January 28 2012 15:26 Two_DoWn wrote:On January 28 2012 15:19 0123456789 wrote:On January 28 2012 15:13 Two_DoWn wrote:On January 28 2012 15:09 0123456789 wrote:
Doublelift is right. Sivir is a bad champion. Her ult is godlike, but she's crap in lane. Cait can just rape her ass, get the cs adv in lane, get better items, and then just straight up beat sivir. If you went just by early game you would have to notch Kog and Vayne in the terrible ad carry category. And every ad carry loses to Cait. Doesnt necessarily mean they all suck, or that Cait is the best. Sivir ult is broken op atm, and that speed boost passive is broken just as bad. When you pick kog, vayne, or sivir you're asking to lose lane to cait. You take that into consideration and try not to lose as hard so that your team can carry you past early game as even or with a slight adv winning other lanes and then you can flatten out that disadvantage. But if both teams were even and you got shat on by cait in lane, cait would have a gold adv on you and just f you up in terms of dps every fight. Looking at it from Doublelift's perspective, which when I see him play, has a very solo queue perspective, he wants to win lane and then carry from that. Which is why he calls sivir shit. You wouldn't want to rely on teammates like jiji or hotshot to carry you. You would want to carry them so that you can get your share of esports money. You can't expect in solo queue to take the weaker lane and lose in lane and expect to carry. In 5's, you can do this. Ya, but the problem is Double isnt smart enough to actually separate between solo q and full 5s. He seems to not understand the difference. Cait is the best solo q ranged ad. She is the worst full 5s. I actually think that the BEST think that could happen to Dlift would be for CLG to mandate that he deliberately lose in CS in solo q for like a week just so he can learn to rely on positioning and teamplay. I feel like people here actually believe they have LoL figured out, and that if only the pros listened they'd have 100% winrates or something. Cait the worst? At what, winning her lane into being less effective than other ADs lategame? What if it never made it lategame and you intended on crushing early? Idk man, nothing against you TD, but seriously, too many opinions here being paraded around as facts.
I feel rudely criticizing older members in the TL community who are pretty good players too without even taking the time to understand their arguments is a pretty poor way go about posting your opinion. 
Idk man, nothing against you but seriously too many people question/target the poster instead of the content in their posts.
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On January 28 2012 19:00 Unentschieden wrote:Show nested quote +On January 28 2012 18:36 gtrsrs wrote:On January 28 2012 18:25 Seuss wrote:On January 28 2012 18:14 gtrsrs wrote:On January 28 2012 17:54 Unentschieden wrote:On January 28 2012 16:37 gtrsrs wrote:
i think WW's E needs to be just pure passive, and give him an active like double speed boost for 2-3 seconds, and maybe make his W give less AS and grant cleave to WW or his teammates and he'll be golden His ganks would be even worse with the "WW coming" souldclip and icon. And that cleave really doesn´t serve any purpose. the cleave would give him aoe in the jungle HERP in a meta where aoe junglers are king DERP There really needs to be a better solution to this problem than giving all junglers AoE. Also, I'm assuming that since you made this suggestion you don't agree with wei2coolman's assertion that Warwick's clearspeeds are on par with top tier junglers. actually i am the one who has been asserting forever that warwick was fine in the old jungle my clearspeed was like... 5 seconds slower than udyr it's a bit worse in the new jungle but it's not BAD. it's just the "slightly poor clearspeed" combined with the "no cc til level 6" and the "level 6 comes slightly later" that makes everyone thing ww is garbage. compare to udyr who has neither, skarner who has neither, shyvana who has no cc but INSANE clear speed and ww just seems worse. i really think he's alright, but giving him a tiny bit of cleave will make him seem a bit better imhowic Handing out random functionality changes that double as buffs is horrible design. Especially if the issue is that certain other champions are too good! The proper answer to AOE clears to fast isn´t AOE for everyone. Not only would that accelerate power creep but also narrow the designspace.
Warwick is a lane character atm, and is quite godlike top. Good harass, infinite sustain, %damage, what else ? From lvl7-8 onward he is unstoppable, and can easily survive the first lvls. And then he has a wonderful late game, if you didn't build funfire.
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I wonder why not that many people play solotop WW, he is soo powerful in that lane, just like you said.
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On January 28 2012 18:22 Hakker wrote:
OK so, dae think that the current form of state of the league is completely dull? I mean, I tried watching the latest episode because I heard day9 was going to be on it, and I was just blown away by how incredibly boring it was for 3 straight hours.
I mean, as a homage to state of the game I think it falls completely ln its face. If you compare the two, sotg is successful because the hosts are all intelligent, funny, confident and extremely knowledgeable about the game.
On the latest state of the league however, you have 2 guys who are completely socially awkward, unfunny, and argumentative whenever their opinions are challenged, and 2 guys that are so far down to earth that they're halfway to China.
its not like the right type of people don't exist. Saintvicious, Dan din, dyrus, ocelote are just a few people I C. Think of off the top of my head. Sure they've all made appearances before but in nowhere near enough frequency to warrant watching the show episode to episode. It seems like Travis wants the show to be more analytical than entertaining.
You could say just don't watch it, but it really is the only show where you can hear the opinions of the pro players in a A game that changes week to week.
I'm honestly not sure why anyone would watch state of the league. I'm not saying that because the quality is garbage, I don't think I've even watched a total of five minutes of footage from it so I can't really say, I just don't see the incentive. What is the point of this show? It seems completely worthless.
everything I hear about it is basically you guys A) complaining about travis being a moron and unsuitable host and B) quoting arguments from the show, which never seem to have any very interesting meaning or content to them.
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Does anyone else think that Ziggs sounds like a damn fine jungler? A short CD AoE nuke, an AoE nuke with knockback, mines, and an ultimate with range "greater than Lux's ultimate"...
Sounds to me like he can clear damn fast, gank fairly well with his Knockback/ulti, counter jungle as well as stop aggressive counterjugnlign fairly easy with mines the same way Shaco does.
Although, I looked at Sejuani's kit and thought she would be the best thing since sliced bread too, so you never know I guess. Good lord Sej is painful to play unless you have a competent team.
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On January 28 2012 19:13 RogerX wrote:
I wonder why not that many people play solotop WW, he is soo powerful in that lane, just like you said.
I feel people just look at warwick primarily as a jungler and there are just way too many solo top 'OP' champions so no one pays attention to warwick.
Like I usually solo top warwick and plenty of people are like 'wtf ww no jungle' etc.
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Check out State of the game episode 60.5 around halftime the cast were talking about strategy, in all honestly it was completely dull.
Now make a show of that dull time and you have state of the league.
On January 28 2012 19:19 anmolsinghmzn2009 wrote:Show nested quote +On January 28 2012 19:13 RogerX wrote:
I wonder why not that many people play solotop WW, he is soo powerful in that lane, just like you said. I feel people just look at warwick primarily as a jungler and there are just way too many solo top 'OP' champions so no one pays attention to warwick. Like I usually solo top warwick and plenty of people are like 'wtf ww no jungle' etc.
That is so true,
I'm actually afraid to go solotop Warwick because I don't want to be trolled and flamed on -.-
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On January 28 2012 19:08 anmolsinghmzn2009 wrote:Show nested quote +On January 28 2012 18:37 Zdrastochye wrote:On January 28 2012 15:26 Two_DoWn wrote:On January 28 2012 15:19 0123456789 wrote:On January 28 2012 15:13 Two_DoWn wrote:On January 28 2012 15:09 0123456789 wrote:
Doublelift is right. Sivir is a bad champion. Her ult is godlike, but she's crap in lane. Cait can just rape her ass, get the cs adv in lane, get better items, and then just straight up beat sivir. If you went just by early game you would have to notch Kog and Vayne in the terrible ad carry category. And every ad carry loses to Cait. Doesnt necessarily mean they all suck, or that Cait is the best. Sivir ult is broken op atm, and that speed boost passive is broken just as bad. When you pick kog, vayne, or sivir you're asking to lose lane to cait. You take that into consideration and try not to lose as hard so that your team can carry you past early game as even or with a slight adv winning other lanes and then you can flatten out that disadvantage. But if both teams were even and you got shat on by cait in lane, cait would have a gold adv on you and just f you up in terms of dps every fight. Looking at it from Doublelift's perspective, which when I see him play, has a very solo queue perspective, he wants to win lane and then carry from that. Which is why he calls sivir shit. You wouldn't want to rely on teammates like jiji or hotshot to carry you. You would want to carry them so that you can get your share of esports money. You can't expect in solo queue to take the weaker lane and lose in lane and expect to carry. In 5's, you can do this. Ya, but the problem is Double isnt smart enough to actually separate between solo q and full 5s. He seems to not understand the difference. Cait is the best solo q ranged ad. She is the worst full 5s. I actually think that the BEST think that could happen to Dlift would be for CLG to mandate that he deliberately lose in CS in solo q for like a week just so he can learn to rely on positioning and teamplay. I feel like people here actually believe they have LoL figured out, and that if only the pros listened they'd have 100% winrates or something. Cait the worst? At what, winning her lane into being less effective than other ADs lategame? What if it never made it lategame and you intended on crushing early? Idk man, nothing against you TD, but seriously, too many opinions here being paraded around as facts. I feel rudely criticizing older members in the TL community who are pretty good players too without even taking the time to understand their arguments is a pretty poor way go about posting your opinion. Idk man, nothing against you but seriously too many people question/target the poster instead of the content in their posts.
I said I have nothing against TD, and the too many opinions comment was supposed to be universal. It was just one post of many of people who have stated opinions as absolute truths, not that I was bashing on TD. Maybe it was unclear, or maybe you jumped to conclusions.
I mean, Cait is still used by certain teams to just win her lane, is that really a benchmark of a bad AD that she trades early game power for late game power? Garen anyone? Cait is definitely worth a pick if you plan on not having a long-drawn out game where she can bully bot and hopefully end the game quickly, obviously a lategame Vayne will destroy her damage I'd never argue that. Doublelift isn't the best AD player, heck I really only like him because of his Blitzcrank, but it's not just a solo q opinion to pick Cait, she works well if you want to crush quickly.
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No one said cait isn't the stronger AD early game. He said cait is the worst AD in an arranged team set up, because she has the worst lategame scaling. And pro teams have the co-ordination and game knowledge to know that they need to put efforts into supporting their AD carry go even/win the lane. That is why people still run vayne/kog vs other carries. They have a bad early game but crazy good lategame.
It isn't a vacuum 1v1 situation between cait and another AD. Plenty of other factors come into consideration - supports, jungler etc.
Does it mean cait is bad? No. Does it mean she's an autowin? Again no.
T_D said she's the best AD in solo queue because you can't rely on your teammates being good or supporting you. That's why people pick strong all round champions there. Not so much in a premade team. If I'm a progamer and my team picks vayne vs a cait I KNOW that vayne outscales cait lategame and then its my team's job to ensure that she doesn't lose her lane.
You just came in saying 'it seems everyone thinks they have the game figured out . . .' then try to say that its not a rude statement? Please, we can discuss stuff without being aggressive in our posts.
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On January 28 2012 18:37 Zdrastochye wrote:
too many opinions here being paraded around as facts.
Yes. Unfortunately, this is probably inevitable. You'll just have to learn to only take well written and/or sensible posts into account like the rest of us. This goes for TL in general really - hell any forum - hell anything public/internet.
Anyway, much like SC2, this is just the general discussion. Anyone that comes here looking for pro tips is probably just new or a scrub cake. If you notice both here and in SC2, pros don't post very often anyway. If you're looking for "facts" then your initial premise for coming into a general discussion may be flawed. That said, there are useful posts in these general discussions, just not most of them.
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On January 28 2012 19:36 lynx.oblige wrote:Show nested quote +On January 28 2012 18:37 Zdrastochye wrote:
too many opinions here being paraded around as facts. Yes. Unfortunately, this is probably inevitable. You'll just have to learn to only take well written and/or sensible posts into account like the rest of us. This goes for TL in general really - hell any forum - hell anything public/internet.
I see the way. I must only read r.Evo.
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lol what is with this I swear everytime I do something I've never done you guys start talking about it.
Never played WW top in my life. Build random shit, win lane 5x over tody. Super strong, level 6 tell your jungle come free kills.
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On January 28 2012 14:33 Niton wrote:
And Jiji wins the argument, straight up:
"you guys are retarded, just play h4h4h4"
This is why I like watching jiji. Never gives a fuck about what's going on and just goes and kills some nerds.
I hate Jax and I'm betting this buff makes him surge in games played -_-.
Lee Sin nerfs might've been slightly too much, but his free mobility is even more obnoxious than Jax so good riddance.
On January 28 2012 17:15 Ryuu314 wrote:Show nested quote +On January 28 2012 17:10 jadoth wrote:
i think if they removed crit from parlay that would get rid of half of the early crit is broken complaints. well the whole parrley can crit thing is part of what makes GP so unique. Parrley being able to crit isn't the problem. The problem is being able to get a lucky crit at lvl 1 for 200 damage with almost no drawbacks.
I don't see any uniqueness in getting giant Crits for pressing Q every 5 seconds.
On January 28 2012 18:11 barbsq wrote:Show nested quote +On January 28 2012 17:54 anmolsinghmzn2009 wrote:On January 28 2012 17:39 barbsq wrote:On January 28 2012 17:26 Hidden_MotiveS wrote:
Then we get back to the request that crit be removed from runes and masteries. they are getting rid of mastery crit which i think is dumb, but i already know i'm the vast minority, so i guess i'm cool with it. Why do you feel its dumb to remove the mastery? O.O the biggest factor is that both people will have the mastery, so there's no inherent 'imbalance' as it were. The second is that the frequency of it completely affecting how a lane ends up going is blown way out of proportion. Like i said tho, all in all I already know i'm in a very small minority, and it's not a big enough deal to make a fuss over if so many other people are really that upset about it, so I can't say i really care that much about it.
Just because you both had it didn't make it equitable. There's a big difference between critting (or double critting) at level 1 or 2 and getting to zone them or getting a free kill when they'd otherwise escape and critting against them full hp at level 6. It was pure RNG, with no thought or skill required to benefit and no possible counterplay.
On January 28 2012 18:22 Hakker wrote:
OK so, dae think that the current form of state of the league is completely dull?
Yes, it's a bad show, which is why I simply opt to not watch it.
On January 28 2012 19:09 mr_tolkien wrote:
Warwick is a lane character atm, and is quite godlike top. Good harass, infinite sustain, %damage, what else ? From lvl7-8 onward he is unstoppable, and can easily survive the first lvls. And then he has a wonderful late game, if you didn't build funfire.
Godlike is very much overstating it. He can be good in some matchups, yes.
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Hey, Craton. Have you been streaming lately? When are you gonna stream again, Mr Archon?
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Awesome  Book marked
Will watch whenever possible.
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Riot sent out a survey, and one of the questions was this:
* Assume that the current program gives you a 4-win IP boost for each person you refer who reaches level 5, and that a new program becomes available that gives you 250 IP for each person you refer who reaches level 5, plus an additional 250 IP for each successful referral you already had from the old program. If you had the option to switch into the new program, how likely would you be to switch?
It's an interesting scenario. It's terrible for people who have few to no referrals (right now a boost is worth 140-150 per standard win, so the change gives you less than half of that), but if you have a bunch of referrals and aren't likely to get many more, it's still a gain.
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Doublelift also says graves is trash and vayne is trash because cait beats them in lane. Honestly it's a silly argument, you can't use it against every ranged ad that's not caitlyn.
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