EPTlevel 1, gives gold on kill
level 2, applies passive
level 3, can crit
level 4, applies on-hit effects
level 5, increased range
boom, addresses all the problems with parrley
[Patch 1.0.0.132: Sejuani] General Discussion - Page 148
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gtrsrs
United States9109 Posts
level 1, gives gold on kill level 2, applies passive level 3, can crit level 4, applies on-hit effects level 5, increased range boom, addresses all the problems with parrley | ||
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Hidden_MotiveS
Canada2562 Posts
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seRapH
United States9776 Posts
On January 28 2012 17:26 Hidden_MotiveS wrote: Then we get back to the request that crit be removed from runes and masteries. Why remove it from runes? If you run crit runes then your ad/arp goes down, there's a tradeoff. There was no tradeoff to take the crit masteries, since you were going 21 offense anyways. | ||
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barbsq
United States5348 Posts
On January 28 2012 17:26 Hidden_MotiveS wrote: Then we get back to the request that crit be removed from runes and masteries. they are getting rid of mastery crit which i think is dumb, but i already know i'm the vast minority, so i guess i'm cool with it. | ||
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Unentschieden
Germany1471 Posts
On January 28 2012 16:37 gtrsrs wrote: i think WW's E needs to be just pure passive, and give him an active like double speed boost for 2-3 seconds, and maybe make his W give less AS and grant cleave to WW or his teammates and he'll be golden His ganks would be even worse with the "WW coming" souldclip and icon. And that cleave really doesn´t serve any purpose. | ||
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anmolsinghmzn2009
India1783 Posts
On January 28 2012 17:39 barbsq wrote: they are getting rid of mastery crit which i think is dumb, but i already know i'm the vast minority, so i guess i'm cool with it. Why do you feel its dumb to remove the mastery? O.O | ||
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Niton
United States2395 Posts
On January 28 2012 17:54 Unentschieden wrote: His ganks would be even worse with the "WW coming" souldclip and icon. The easy (obvious?) solution is to make the howl related to the active, instead of the passive. Plenty of champions have abilities that give them things passively. | ||
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mr_tolkien
France8631 Posts
On January 28 2012 17:38 seRapH wrote: Why remove it from runes? If you run crit runes then your ad/arp goes down, there's a tradeoff. There was no tradeoff to take the crit masteries, since you were going 21 offense anyways. Because you can't see runes. | ||
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daemir
Finland8662 Posts
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arnath
United States1317 Posts
On January 28 2012 16:23 Two_DoWn wrote: Yes. You are missing the soul of the jungler. The very essence of love for the one true jungle, back when it was nearly impossible to jungle and Warwick was god. There was no pull, there were no weakened creeps that gave you health, it was just your hairy werewolf self against the greatest of all obstacles: level 1 ancient golem (or the 2 minigolems). He was the jungle everyone learned on. The very first any of us learned to master. And to see him raped and abused over such a long period of time is just crushing to everyone who ever grabbed a longsword and said "fuck it, imma run a fast 6, ignore my team for 5 minutes and farm, but emerge a GOD." That is what you are missing. And frankly, you will never understand our pain. Ever. 100% this. I can't describe how painful it is when you pick Warwick and try to stay in jungle till 6 but your lanes somehow lose before then and then blame you for not ganking. | ||
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barbsq
United States5348 Posts
On January 28 2012 17:54 anmolsinghmzn2009 wrote: Why do you feel its dumb to remove the mastery? O.O the biggest factor is that both people will have the mastery, so there's no inherent 'imbalance' as it were. The second is that the frequency of it completely affecting how a lane ends up going is blown way out of proportion. Like i said tho, all in all I already know i'm in a very small minority, and it's not a big enough deal to make a fuss over if so many other people are really that upset about it, so I can't say i really care that much about it. | ||
TheYango
United States47024 Posts
On January 28 2012 16:23 Two_DoWn wrote: Yes. You are missing the soul of the jungler. The very essence of love for the one true jungle, back when it was nearly impossible to jungle and Warwick was god. There was no pull, there were no weakened creeps that gave you health, it was just your hairy werewolf self against the greatest of all obstacles: level 1 ancient golem (or the 2 minigolems). He was the jungle everyone learned on. The very first any of us learned to master. And to see him raped and abused over such a long period of time is just crushing to everyone who ever grabbed a longsword and said "fuck it, imma run a fast 6, ignore my team for 5 minutes and farm, but emerge a GOD." That is what you are missing. And frankly, you will never understand our pain. Ever. Fast 6? More like level 4 Dragon solo. Those were the days, back when the only junglers you ever saw were Udyr, Warwick, or Amumu. | ||
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gtrsrs
United States9109 Posts
On January 28 2012 17:54 Unentschieden wrote: His ganks would be even worse with the "WW coming" souldclip and icon. And that cleave really doesn´t serve any purpose. the cleave would give him aoe in the jungle HERP in a meta where aoe junglers are king DERP | ||
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icemanzdoinwork
447 Posts
On January 28 2012 18:11 barbsq wrote: the biggest factor is that both people will have the mastery, so there's no inherent 'imbalance' as it were. The second is that the frequency of it completely affecting how a lane ends up going is blown way out of proportion. Like i said tho, all in all I already know i'm in a very small minority, and it's not a big enough deal to make a fuss over if so many other people are really that upset about it, so I can't say i really care that much about it. but it's random, which makes it umm random. Double crits at lvl 1-2 is game breaking -_-. | ||
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Hakker
United States1360 Posts
I mean, as a homage to state of the game I think it falls completely ln its face. If you compare the two, sotg is successful because the hosts are all intelligent, funny, confident and extremely knowledgeable about the game. On the latest state of the league however, you have 2 guys who are completely socially awkward, unfunny, and argumentative whenever their opinions are challenged, and 2 guys that are so far down to earth that they're halfway to China. its not like the right type of people don't exist. Saintvicious, Dan din, dyrus, ocelote are just a few people I C. Think of off the top of my head. Sure they've all made appearances before but in nowhere near enough frequency to warrant watching the show episode to episode. It seems like Travis wants the show to be more analytical than entertaining. You could say just don't watch it, but it really is the only show where you can hear the opinions of the pro players in a A game that changes week to week. | ||
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Seuss
United States10536 Posts
On January 28 2012 18:14 gtrsrs wrote: the cleave would give him aoe in the jungle HERP in a meta where aoe junglers are king DERP There really needs to be a better solution to this problem than giving all junglers AoE. Also, I'm assuming that since you made this suggestion you don't agree with wei2coolman's assertion that Warwick's clearspeeds are on par with top tier junglers. | ||
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daemir
Finland8662 Posts
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gtrsrs
United States9109 Posts
On January 28 2012 18:25 Seuss wrote: There really needs to be a better solution to this problem than giving all junglers AoE. Also, I'm assuming that since you made this suggestion you don't agree with wei2coolman's assertion that Warwick's clearspeeds are on par with top tier junglers. actually i am the one who has been asserting forever that warwick was fine in the old jungle my clearspeed was like... 5 seconds slower than udyr it's a bit worse in the new jungle but it's not BAD. it's just the "slightly poor clearspeed" combined with the "no cc til level 6" and the "level 6 comes slightly later" that makes everyone thing ww is garbage. compare to udyr who has neither, skarner who has neither, shyvana who has no cc but INSANE clear speed and ww just seems worse. i really think he's alright, but giving him a tiny bit of cleave will make him seem a bit better imhowic | ||
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Zdrastochye
Ivory Coast6262 Posts
On January 28 2012 15:26 Two_DoWn wrote: Ya, but the problem is Double isnt smart enough to actually separate between solo q and full 5s. He seems to not understand the difference. Cait is the best solo q ranged ad. She is the worst full 5s. I actually think that the BEST think that could happen to Dlift would be for CLG to mandate that he deliberately lose in CS in solo q for like a week just so he can learn to rely on positioning and teamplay. I feel like people here actually believe they have LoL figured out, and that if only the pros listened they'd have 100% winrates or something. Cait the worst? At what, winning her lane into being less effective than other ADs lategame? What if it never made it lategame and you intended on crushing early? Idk man, nothing against you TD, but seriously, too many opinions here being paraded around as facts. | ||
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Seuss
United States10536 Posts
On January 28 2012 18:36 gtrsrs wrote: actually i am the one who has been asserting forever that warwick was fine in the old jungle my clearspeed was like... 5 seconds slower than udyr it's a bit worse in the new jungle but it's not BAD. it's just the "slightly poor clearspeed" combined with the "no cc til level 6" and the "level 6 comes slightly later" that makes everyone thing ww is garbage. compare to udyr who has neither, skarner who has neither, shyvana who has no cc but INSANE clear speed and ww just seems worse. i really think he's alright, but giving him a tiny bit of cleave will make him seem a bit better imhowic Warwick may be fine, but my interest was piqued because it was asserted that Warwick could clear (I assume the new jungle) as fast as top tier junglers. That isn't true in my experience, but I'm never one to assume that I haven't overlooked a rune setup/masteries/route combination that works. Solving one of the three issues you noted for Warwick would make him significantly better. It's just my opinion that giving all junglers AoE is a lazy solution since there are so many single target junglers with "slightly poor" clearspeed. | ||
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