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sob3k
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
United States7572 Posts
January 17 2012 16:47 GMT
#241
Is it just me or is Sejuani pretty much the most anti fun champ possible.

The entire character is just a giant inescapable slow that does basically no damage. I've gotten caught by her a few times now and its just retarded, its basically pre nerf skarner with only a buffed Q and nothing else. Once she gets close to you you might as well just take your hands off the keyboard and mouse and go read a book.
In Hungry Hungry Hippos there are no such constraints—one can constantly attempt to collect marbles with one’s hippo, limited only by one’s hippo-levering capabilities.
NeoIllusions
Profile Blog Joined December 2002
United States37500 Posts
January 17 2012 16:49 GMT
#242
On January 18 2012 01:42 JackDino wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 18 2012 01:33 NeoIllusions wrote:
On January 18 2012 01:18 JackDino wrote:
You could build him as a bruiser and peel/kill anyone on your carry, you do tons of dmg and kinda have a permaslow.


I was initially going to say "Why not Alistar and save your top lane pick?" But you do have to take into consideration that Mundo's Q does %Health Magic Dmg, so that would maximize your team fight DPS, strictly in terms of numbers. That kind of team play style is incredibly defensive and you'd have to team comp around that.

Mundo does a lot more damage than supportstar and he can be really good in some matchups top. You'd need a tanky jungler though.
He's not useless but there are a better picks.


Yes, of course. But Supporstar does da peelin' too, just without the DPS. Opens up your team comp for a better pick for top. Was just counter-responding to your peeling comment. :>

Mundo prior to buffs, felt like "Karma" status tbh. I played him for fun before but it was mostly for dem axe throwin'.
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Shiv.
Profile Joined January 2011
3534 Posts
January 17 2012 16:51 GMT
#243
On January 18 2012 01:47 sob3k wrote:
Is it just me or is Sejuani pretty much the most anti fun champ possible.

The entire character is just a giant inescapable slow that does basically no damage. I've gotten caught by her a few times now and its just retarded, its basically pre nerf skarner with only a buffed Q and nothing else. Once she gets close to you you might as well just take your hands off the keyboard and mouse and go read a book.

Anti fun is such a strange term. I still want to have a serious discussion with the guy who introduced it. Meh.
Anyway, yeah, from what I've seen so far, she's insanely annoying but doesn't really hurt.
currently rooting for myself.
Alaric
Profile Joined November 2009
France45622 Posts
January 17 2012 16:52 GMT
#244
Well we've got like 75% of the Karma players on this subforum (and by 75%, I literally mean 3 out of 4).
Cant take LMS hipsters serious.
Two_DoWn
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States13684 Posts
January 17 2012 16:53 GMT
#245
The thing is that as long as she can jungle, she will be op. It wouldnt matter if all of her abilities had a "deals no damage to champions" clause- that much slow and cc on a jungle is broken.
"What is the air speed velocity of an unladen courier?" "Dire or Radiant?"
Slaughter
Profile Blog Joined November 2003
United States20255 Posts
January 17 2012 16:54 GMT
#246
How are people building her? I built her with a shit ton of HP with some resists kind a supporting tank role. Was fun NO ONE ESCAPES. I also love throwing dat axe.
Never Knows Best.
zer0das
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
United States8519 Posts
January 17 2012 16:55 GMT
#247
Riot sure loves their inherently broken kits.
NeoIllusions
Profile Blog Joined December 2002
United States37500 Posts
January 17 2012 16:58 GMT
#248
On January 18 2012 01:51 Shiv. wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 18 2012 01:47 sob3k wrote:
Is it just me or is Sejuani pretty much the most anti fun champ possible.

The entire character is just a giant inescapable slow that does basically no damage. I've gotten caught by her a few times now and its just retarded, its basically pre nerf skarner with only a buffed Q and nothing else. Once she gets close to you you might as well just take your hands off the keyboard and mouse and go read a book.

Anti fun is such a strange term. I still want to have a serious discussion with the guy who introduced it. Meh.
Anyway, yeah, from what I've seen so far, she's insanely annoying but doesn't really hurt.


You'd want to talk to my friend at Riot then.
ModeratorFor the Glory that is TeamLiquid (-9 | 155) | Discord: NeoIllusions#1984
Slayer91
Profile Joined February 2006
Ireland23386 Posts
January 17 2012 16:59 GMT
#249
Mundo has the highest non ultimate base damage nuke in the game potentially and it's on a 4 sec cd with 1k range and 50% slow.

He's not THAT bad heh.
RogerX
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
New Zealand3180 Posts
January 17 2012 17:00 GMT
#250
Who thought and designed her kit anyway?

Seriously it feels like their deliberately trying to piss people off even more. Nerf anti-fun champs like Shaco or Trynd? No problem we'll release perma frost!
Stick it up. take it up. step aside and see the world
BlackPaladin
Profile Joined May 2010
United States9316 Posts
January 17 2012 17:04 GMT
#251
Did Phreak decide for his item build "Well I have about 30 slows and a stun in my kit already, might as well get another slow on top of it" when he decided frozen mallet would be good?

Seriously, it's like he's getting worse as time goes by. I'd say he's just trying to troll the community but if you watch him play on stream he really is that bad when it comes to decision making lol.
"Your full potential does not matter if you do not use all 100% of it."
wei2coolman
Profile Joined November 2010
United States60033 Posts
January 17 2012 17:04 GMT
#252
On January 18 2012 02:00 RogerX wrote:
Who thought and designed her kit anyway?

Seriously it feels like their deliberately trying to piss people off even more. Nerf anti-fun champs like Shaco or Trynd? No problem we'll release perma frost!

I thought Nasus's wither was fucking depressing as hell, then Riot makes this fucking champion.
liftlift > tsm
Requizen
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States33802 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-01-17 17:06:05
January 17 2012 17:04 GMT
#253
From the look of her, you kind of just want to treat her as you do Amumu: spread the hell out and don't stay close to her, or a TPK is on the horizon. Except her kit basically keeps you from running from her, so... dunno. I wonder how she feels in late game.


On January 18 2012 02:04 BlackPaladin wrote:
Did Phreak decide for his item build "Well I have about 30 slows and a stun in my kit already, might as well get another slow on top of it" when he decided frozen mallet would be good?

Seriously, it's like he's getting worse as time goes by. I'd say he's just trying to troll the community but if you watch him play on stream he really is that bad when it comes to decision making lol.


Well, if the slows stack, it mite b cool, and she scales from health as well, so it's not inherently a bad idea, just not the smartest.
It's your boy Guzma!
Two_DoWn
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States13684 Posts
January 17 2012 17:06 GMT
#254
Slows have a diminishing return now. Frozen mallet probably ads <1% slow.
"What is the air speed velocity of an unladen courier?" "Dire or Radiant?"
Shiv.
Profile Joined January 2011
3534 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-01-17 17:08:26
January 17 2012 17:07 GMT
#255
On January 18 2012 01:58 NeoIllusions wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 18 2012 01:51 Shiv. wrote:
On January 18 2012 01:47 sob3k wrote:
Is it just me or is Sejuani pretty much the most anti fun champ possible.

The entire character is just a giant inescapable slow that does basically no damage. I've gotten caught by her a few times now and its just retarded, its basically pre nerf skarner with only a buffed Q and nothing else. Once she gets close to you you might as well just take your hands off the keyboard and mouse and go read a book.

Anti fun is such a strange term. I still want to have a serious discussion with the guy who introduced it. Meh.
Anyway, yeah, from what I've seen so far, she's insanely annoying but doesn't really hurt.


You'd want to talk to my friend at Riot then.

Thanks for the link!

While I get the idea of anti-fun, I am not sure how to measure the amount of fun anyone has while doing something. Like, how do they decide on mechanic is more anti-fun to play against than fun to play? Sure, Manaburn is annoying to play against, but so is a perma-Q-ing Skarner. Yet, I'd love to burn mana bars left and right and I surely do love perma-Q-ing as Skarner, and I'd say I enjoy it about equally as much as I hate it when I have to face it. My problem is: it's been like that with every mechanic in any game I've ever played. Manta Style Morphling, AM-PoM-Pyro mages back when trinkets used to stack, 2 Rax rushes. I have always loved and hated those mechanics equally. I can see if something is overpowered and they need to nerf it because of balance, I can't wrap my head around the statement that something creates more misery on the one side than fun on the other.
currently rooting for myself.
Phrost
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States4008 Posts
January 17 2012 17:07 GMT
#256
malzahar's art got changed to the chinese one and he got a new icon for his face.

WORST CHANGE OF THE PATCH >=[
iamphrost.tumblr.com // http://howtobebettermagicplayer.tumblr.com // twitter @phrost_
BlackPaladin
Profile Joined May 2010
United States9316 Posts
January 17 2012 17:08 GMT
#257
On January 18 2012 02:04 Requizen wrote:
From the look of her, you kind of just want to treat her as you do Amumu: spread the hell out and don't stay close to her, or a TPK is on the horizon. Except her kit basically keeps you from running from her, so... dunno. I wonder how she feels in late game.


Show nested quote +
On January 18 2012 02:04 BlackPaladin wrote:
Did Phreak decide for his item build "Well I have about 30 slows and a stun in my kit already, might as well get another slow on top of it" when he decided frozen mallet would be good?

Seriously, it's like he's getting worse as time goes by. I'd say he's just trying to troll the community but if you watch him play on stream he really is that bad when it comes to decision making lol.


Well, if the slows stack, it mite b cool, and she scales from health as well, so it's not inherently a bad idea, just not the smartest.


"If a champion is affected by multiple slows, the strongest one will be fully applied, while the others are applied sequentially with 35% reduced effectiveness down to 65% of its original strength."

Basically what he's doing is similar to the people who build frozen mallet on ashe. Or rylais on anivia.
"Your full potential does not matter if you do not use all 100% of it."
JackDino
Profile Joined July 2010
Gabon6219 Posts
January 17 2012 17:08 GMT
#258
On January 18 2012 02:04 BlackPaladin wrote:
Did Phreak decide for his item build "Well I have about 30 slows and a stun in my kit already, might as well get another slow on top of it" when he decided frozen mallet would be good?

Seriously, it's like he's getting worse as time goes by. I'd say he's just trying to troll the community but if you watch him play on stream he really is that bad when it comes to decision making lol.

I'm pretty sure that with all the shit phreak has gotten for the spotlight(he needs to sell the friggin champ not make them look bad) he's just trolling everyone now and then.
Like the 4% crit GP and now the frozen mallet.
This isnt Broodwar so I dont owe anyone respect for beating me. -arb
wei2coolman
Profile Joined November 2010
United States60033 Posts
January 17 2012 17:10 GMT
#259
This weeks free week is, Kassidan, Morgana, Rammus, Vayne. Oh gawd, never doing a ranked this week.
liftlift > tsm
turdburgler
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
England6749 Posts
January 17 2012 17:10 GMT
#260
On January 18 2012 01:58 NeoIllusions wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 18 2012 01:51 Shiv. wrote:
On January 18 2012 01:47 sob3k wrote:
Is it just me or is Sejuani pretty much the most anti fun champ possible.

The entire character is just a giant inescapable slow that does basically no damage. I've gotten caught by her a few times now and its just retarded, its basically pre nerf skarner with only a buffed Q and nothing else. Once she gets close to you you might as well just take your hands off the keyboard and mouse and go read a book.

Anti fun is such a strange term. I still want to have a serious discussion with the guy who introduced it. Meh.
Anyway, yeah, from what I've seen so far, she's insanely annoying but doesn't really hurt.


You'd want to talk to my friend at Riot then.


he brings up melee abilities on ranged feel stupid, then why does buckshot encourage you to use your only escape to run into their face to use it?

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