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JackDino
Profile Joined July 2010
Gabon6219 Posts
January 17 2012 15:34 GMT
#221
I hope he still tells you you belong in a museum, best line in this game.
This isnt Broodwar so I dont owe anyone respect for beating me. -arb
mr_tolkien
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
France8631 Posts
January 17 2012 15:45 GMT
#222
On January 18 2012 00:23 Slaughter wrote:
New champ is like Shy on Steroids with a sweet slow lololol she farms so well!

Im really looking forward to how this new champ plays out as I like her style. Now just got to figure out what might be the best runes for her....hmm I prefer to lane and it seems people want her to be a jungler

I don't really see the link with Shyv >.> Shyv is a no CC no mana high damage tanky/dps, whereas this char has utility on all its spells but very low damage and clears in jungle.

It must be the helmet...
The legend of Darien lives on
Alaric
Profile Joined November 2009
France45622 Posts
January 17 2012 15:48 GMT
#223
Holy balls that AoE radius on Sejuani's ult... forget Ashe's as best initiate in the game, you can still be snipin' but her radius is something like only half of Sejuani so... and it's a champs only skillshot.
It was already broken on paper, but after seeing it live, if your team can follow htrough...
Cant take LMS hipsters serious.
ihasaKAROT
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Netherlands4730 Posts
January 17 2012 15:48 GMT
#224
Its the spinny aoe bladything
KCCO!
starfries
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
Canada3508 Posts
January 17 2012 15:51 GMT
#225
I really want to see her but there's no streamers playing her

well there's Kyuubicake but they're kind of getting crushed
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57 Corvette
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Canada5941 Posts
January 17 2012 16:03 GMT
#226
So, new Jax, banworthy in ranked or not?
Survival is winning, everything else is bullshit.
Slaughter
Profile Blog Joined November 2003
United States20255 Posts
January 17 2012 16:04 GMT
#227
The one game I played vs 1 today he sucked but he jungled and didnt really do much in general.
Never Knows Best.
JackDino
Profile Joined July 2010
Gabon6219 Posts
January 17 2012 16:07 GMT
#228
Jax isn't banworthy, maybe as a jungler but his laning has been nerfed. Early survivability and damage nerfed, mid-late dmg buffed(he loses out on 80% attackspeed tho) but he already was strong mid-late.
This isnt Broodwar so I dont owe anyone respect for beating me. -arb
sob3k
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
United States7572 Posts
January 17 2012 16:07 GMT
#229
played with so many terrible Sej's going bot and feeding 2-12 to the enemy vayne taric etc.

Definitely not a champ to solo shit with, basically all utility team reliant
In Hungry Hungry Hippos there are no such constraints—one can constantly attempt to collect marbles with one’s hippo, limited only by one’s hippo-levering capabilities.
Slayer91
Profile Joined February 2006
Ireland23385 Posts
January 17 2012 16:07 GMT
#230
jax is like udyr on crack for like 6 seconds but if you can kite through that he's not all that great. His WQ is still a massive nuke for the CD though.
Requizen
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States33802 Posts
January 17 2012 16:09 GMT
#231
She seems like a lot of other "tanks" (without getting into the argument as to what that exactly means), where with a team you're God, and without one you just take a bit longer to kill. I think she's kind of along the lines of what Amumu is or Leona was supposed to be: you're not a taunt tank like Galio/Rammus/Shen, you're a "get in and mess with the enemy so your team can win" tank.
It's your boy Guzma!
Noocta
Profile Joined June 2010
France12578 Posts
January 17 2012 16:13 GMT
#232
I was worry about Riven nerf.
And then the only unannonced Riven change is the worst of all.
" I'm not gonna fight you. I'm gonna kick your ass ! "
NeoIllusions
Profile Blog Joined December 2002
United States37500 Posts
January 17 2012 16:13 GMT
#233
On January 17 2012 21:29 Slayer91 wrote:
I feel like mundos main problem is he can't beat sustain laners top. I've never felt weak in midgame, you don't need your ultimate that much when you build full tank anyway if you're getting killed because of ignite you're doing it wrong when you're the tankiest guy in the team by a mile. That said mundo is one of the best champions to lose your lane. Your farming ability with E, max range Q and ulti to sustain with your passive to make up for ability health losses gives you great potential to farm at tower and while zoned in lane.

Pretty good nerf on skarner, felt like the q facerolling had to stop. I liked having to build mana and wriggles and stuff to get him to work instead of just rushing shurelyas and going herp de derp never run never die always kill.

Like the mundo and vlad changes. Somehow dealing true damage to yourself felt a little bit weak once you start wanting some resists..


Slayerrrrr
You think Mundo is good midgame but weak in lane? How is that?
I understand he doesn't have the sustain of most other top laners but as another champion without mana, he can just lane and last hit with Q. I can't see how relevant he is in a team fight though. Your options are Q and run in with E on and headbutt some kids but in a 5v5, Q is almost never hit your intended target and you just become a glorified melee attacker.
Mundo is fun but I've never managed to pull my weight after 20 min into the game. Wat dew?
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JackDino
Profile Joined July 2010
Gabon6219 Posts
January 17 2012 16:18 GMT
#234
You could build him as a bruiser and peel/kill anyone on your carry, you do tons of dmg and kinda have a permaslow.
This isnt Broodwar so I dont owe anyone respect for beating me. -arb
Requizen
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States33802 Posts
January 17 2012 16:21 GMT
#235
Better look at Pulsefire animations:



Doesn't look like any new particle effects in this on Q, W, or R, but that could very well change with the official release.
It's your boy Guzma!
SnK-Arcbound
Profile Joined March 2005
United States4423 Posts
January 17 2012 16:29 GMT
#236
So how large do people think the shaco jitb nerf was. 60 seconds from 90. That makes his initial jungle pulls much more difficult, he can't do multiple camps at once now.

Rammus nerf won't matter. Skarner nerf is pretty huge, more on his ultimate than anything, because his passive let him get rid of almost 1/3rd of the cd just by farming the jungle.

Also with the reduction on mundo w health cost he's even better in the jungle now.

Riven nerf doesn't matter much, I'd still buy her. Vayne nerf hurts (good). Nunu had one of the lowest attack speeds in the game (with his max level w he'd get up to the base attack speed of other champions).

Also did they reduce the time it takes to change pages in the shop?
wei2coolman
Profile Joined November 2010
United States60033 Posts
January 17 2012 16:30 GMT
#237
On January 17 2012 17:34 ihasaKAROT wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 17 2012 17:18 wei2coolman wrote:
On January 17 2012 17:15 ihasaKAROT wrote:
On January 17 2012 17:13 Leeoku wrote:
Personal opinions about patch

Ahri cd ult was needed
Riven was needed, too strong
Shaco box nerf, was kinda unnecessary. bye bye ap shaco
Skarn was abit overnerfed imo. the mana increase is kinda huge. ult cd is meh...
Vayne, imo that was a huge nerf to her, tackling everything almost in her kit. shes prob still gona be a top tier pick


I belief the Shaco boxnerf is aimed at not getting 2 buffs at the 2minutemark anymore. Wich is a good thing.

But it make trollface roaming AP shaco a lot harder to play.... and that wasn't even waht made him broken >.>


AP shaco is sortof like AP Yi tho. Its fun to play but in the end, the AD variant is just better. The doublebuff was broken, since no other champ ingame could do that.

AD shaco is counterable, people are just too afraid it seems. AAAA a shaco gtfooo

Or just kill him?

I didn't htink double buff was a big deal tbh. since blue doesn't add any actual combat bonus, unlike Red.
liftlift > tsm
NeoIllusions
Profile Blog Joined December 2002
United States37500 Posts
January 17 2012 16:33 GMT
#238
On January 18 2012 01:18 JackDino wrote:
You could build him as a bruiser and peel/kill anyone on your carry, you do tons of dmg and kinda have a permaslow.


I was initially going to say "Why not Alistar and save your top lane pick?" But you do have to take into consideration that Mundo's Q does %Health Magic Dmg, so that would maximize your team fight DPS, strictly in terms of numbers. That kind of team play style is incredibly defensive and you'd have to team comp around that.
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Alaric
Profile Joined November 2009
France45622 Posts
January 17 2012 16:35 GMT
#239
On January 17 2012 17:09 Carnivorous Sheep wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 17 2012 17:03 ihasaKAROT wrote:
So no Viktorbuff... what?

And the Vaynenerfs seem kinda odd to me. Its not the movementspeed that gets you killed, its her max W. Still thats untouched...


I think Viktor could potentially use some buffs, but there really shouldn't be a rush. He can hold his own in lane and isn't exactly bad at anything. He just doesn't excel at much...

I think Viktor is a really nice addition to AoE teams. That ult is massive damage, and he provides OK utility to the team in the form of a pretty good stun in addition to the instant silence. Following up another AoE initiator with his ult will silence the enemy and prevent escape, while doing huge AoE damage.

I really think Viktor is comparable to Brand right now, if not even a bit better :3 Neither are good, could use some "QoL" adjustments somewhere down the line, but no rush.

Also lasers are fun.


Rylai'd ult screams "go in, Fiddle!" like no other. Especially once you've got your own WotA to entice him.
Cant take LMS hipsters serious.
JackDino
Profile Joined July 2010
Gabon6219 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-01-17 16:44:36
January 17 2012 16:42 GMT
#240
On January 18 2012 01:33 NeoIllusions wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 18 2012 01:18 JackDino wrote:
You could build him as a bruiser and peel/kill anyone on your carry, you do tons of dmg and kinda have a permaslow.


I was initially going to say "Why not Alistar and save your top lane pick?" But you do have to take into consideration that Mundo's Q does %Health Magic Dmg, so that would maximize your team fight DPS, strictly in terms of numbers. That kind of team play style is incredibly defensive and you'd have to team comp around that.

Mundo does a lot more damage than supportstar and he can be really good in some matchups top. You'd need a tanky jungler though.
He's not useless but there are a better picks.
This isnt Broodwar so I dont owe anyone respect for beating me. -arb
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