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ZeromuS
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Canada13422 Posts
January 17 2012 12:45 GMT
#181
Hi everyone, im new still but I bought my first Champion with IP :D I heard from someone I work with Ashe is quite good for really new players and he said since I like starcraft I might enjoy using her skill shots and she is good at kiting which should come more naturally to me.

I was wondering if there is a particular guide I should be looking at, im browsing solomid is that a good site?

Also is there an equivalent of TL for LoL (I doubt there's an equivalent to tl for most any game out there)
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hacpee
Profile Joined November 2007
United States752 Posts
January 17 2012 12:47 GMT
#182
I would suggest Tristana as your first ranged AD. She's better than Ashe. You can get her for free,

http://na.leagueoflegends.com/board/showthread.php?t=80451
ihasaKAROT
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Netherlands4730 Posts
January 17 2012 12:54 GMT
#183
Wait a sec, wheres the nerf to WotA stacking?
KCCO!
Leporello
Profile Joined January 2011
United States2845 Posts
January 17 2012 12:57 GMT
#184
Going Vlad mid every game.

Before this patch he was a ridiculously strong mid. Now... lol. Can't wait.
Big water
RogerX
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
New Zealand3180 Posts
January 17 2012 13:01 GMT
#185
On January 17 2012 21:23 ihasaKAROT wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 17 2012 21:08 clickrush wrote:
sejuani's passive slows enemies on attack.

phreak: "I buy frozen mallet to slow enemies on attack."


You mean all the other spotlights made sence to you?

Phreak is allways off on style, skillorder and items. Not to mention his love for the jungle without being able to gank properly, and allways rushing triforce.

Spotlights are more to check out the animations and castranges for stuff, all the rest is pure blablabla to me.

-Cough-

GP spotlight

-Cough-

+ Show Spoiler +
I think he said max oranges first, LOL
Stick it up. take it up. step aside and see the world
epoc
Profile Joined December 2010
Finland1190 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-01-17 13:10:09
January 17 2012 13:05 GMT
#186
Fuck yeah trynda finally nerfed! Leap strike was buffed like hell. Imo they nerfed skarner too harshly. Ult duration should be 2sec and cd a bit longer. Dunno why they are changing crystal slash mana cost all the time
jaybrundage
Profile Joined December 2009
United States3921 Posts
January 17 2012 13:15 GMT
#187
Im glad ww got a small buff he was in need of it. I really think his Attack speed buff is underrated. 40 plus attack speed for the entire team gotta love it. WWs laning is fine but i miss my jungle ww : (
The more you sweat in training, the less you bleed in battle.
JackDino
Profile Joined July 2010
Gabon6219 Posts
January 17 2012 13:18 GMT
#188
On January 17 2012 22:01 RogerX wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 17 2012 21:23 ihasaKAROT wrote:
On January 17 2012 21:08 clickrush wrote:
sejuani's passive slows enemies on attack.

phreak: "I buy frozen mallet to slow enemies on attack."


You mean all the other spotlights made sence to you?

Phreak is allways off on style, skillorder and items. Not to mention his love for the jungle without being able to gank properly, and allways rushing triforce.

Spotlights are more to check out the animations and castranges for stuff, all the rest is pure blablabla to me.

-Cough-

GP spotlight

-Cough-

+ Show Spoiler +
I think he said max oranges first, LOL

Oranges first very good depending on matchup actually.
This isnt Broodwar so I dont owe anyone respect for beating me. -arb
hacpee
Profile Joined November 2007
United States752 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-01-17 13:23:13
January 17 2012 13:22 GMT
#189
On January 17 2012 22:15 jaybrundage wrote:
Im glad ww got a small buff he was in need of it. I really think his Attack speed buff is underrated. 40 plus attack speed for the entire team gotta love it. WWs laning is fine but i miss my jungle ww : (


Jungle WW is still fine but you need strong lanes. If your lanes are weak, you need to play a jungler with pre-6 presence.
iCanada
Profile Joined August 2010
Canada10660 Posts
January 17 2012 13:23 GMT
#190
On January 17 2012 17:16 Treadmill wrote:
I kinda wonder if the "power creep" that people talk about isn't from more recent releases being straight-up stronger than older characters, but from more recent releases being more adapted to the metagame that has developed than older more general characters (Ashe vs modern AD's, where the purpose of the current ad is to farm up and deal as much damage as possible, while most of ashe's skills are wasted on utility).

Regarding the 'fixed metagame' - I think that riot tries to make sure that newer releases can fit into the current metagame so people will actually play them, and I think thats fine. I don't think its some conspiracy to enforce the metagame but rather riot reacting to what players are doing. Look at, say, Fizz or Talon - they do work inside the metagame but not cleanly. Fizz especially, they even classify him as a fighter/assassin rather than as a mage.

Also I think that the metagame doesn't evolve so much because the focus is solo queue, rather than team games - and that's a result of the player base more than anything riot is doing. In solo queue a 'standard' metagame works because then everyone knows what to expect and what is expected of them, which is required since its 5 strangers (usually).

This has gotten kinda long but I'm sick and tired of people harping about the 'static metagame' and of people getting pissy at riot for everything they do. The metagame exists for a reason - and if you look at tournaments its not nearly as fixed as people make it out to be.

As for criticisms of riot, yeah sometimes they're valid, but sometimes it feels to me like people are upset riot isn't staffed by weird amalgams of Socrates, da Vinci and Jesus. Perfect game design is hard, yo.


Having just played Poppy last night (you know, that super old champ who has literally never been changed) that this is the case.

Holy hell late game Poppy is strong... Like... ridiculously stupidly strong. I actually think thats why DoubleLift is so bad at like map awareness. "Four opponents? Only me? Trololololol ultikgburst->two dead and poppy gets away with her life."
Shiv.
Profile Joined January 2011
3534 Posts
January 17 2012 13:31 GMT
#191
On January 17 2012 22:18 JackDino wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 17 2012 22:01 RogerX wrote:
On January 17 2012 21:23 ihasaKAROT wrote:
On January 17 2012 21:08 clickrush wrote:
sejuani's passive slows enemies on attack.

phreak: "I buy frozen mallet to slow enemies on attack."


You mean all the other spotlights made sence to you?

Phreak is allways off on style, skillorder and items. Not to mention his love for the jungle without being able to gank properly, and allways rushing triforce.

Spotlights are more to check out the animations and castranges for stuff, all the rest is pure blablabla to me.

-Cough-

GP spotlight

-Cough-

+ Show Spoiler +
I think he said max oranges first, LOL

Oranges first very good depending on matchup actually.

He was against Lollibear, though.
currently rooting for myself.
h3r1n6
Profile Blog Joined September 2007
Iceland2039 Posts
January 17 2012 13:40 GMT
#192
The problem is, that the spotlights only show 1 skill order. I can't think of a single champion, which I skill in the same order every single game. It depends so many factors like the position/lane opponent/progression of the game/wether a lvl 1 teamfight is happening/enemy team composition.
G3CKO
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
Canada1430 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-01-17 13:44:27
January 17 2012 13:41 GMT
#193
New champ Shaniqua is a Shyvana with a permaslow and mass stun?
┌⋉⊳∀⊲) ☆ If your soul has not truly given up, then you can hear the sound that races through the end of the world.
Haemonculus
Profile Blog Joined November 2004
United States6980 Posts
January 17 2012 13:47 GMT
#194
Wowowowowow. Time to buy vlad, for starters.

Silly riven nerf imo. Such tiny tiny tiny changes to her passive sustain will be barely noticeable. Her damage is unchanged and she'll still be able to wololo most people out of lane super early. Once she gets wriggles and/or a few dorans no one will miss the hp5 "nerf".

RIP ap mid shaco T_T;;; sad day for pandas everywhere.
I admire your commitment to being *very* oily
RogerX
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
New Zealand3180 Posts
January 17 2012 13:51 GMT
#195
On January 17 2012 22:18 JackDino wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 17 2012 22:01 RogerX wrote:
On January 17 2012 21:23 ihasaKAROT wrote:
On January 17 2012 21:08 clickrush wrote:
sejuani's passive slows enemies on attack.

phreak: "I buy frozen mallet to slow enemies on attack."


You mean all the other spotlights made sence to you?

Phreak is allways off on style, skillorder and items. Not to mention his love for the jungle without being able to gank properly, and allways rushing triforce.

Spotlights are more to check out the animations and castranges for stuff, all the rest is pure blablabla to me.

-Cough-

GP spotlight

-Cough-

+ Show Spoiler +
I think he said max oranges first, LOL

Oranges first very good depending on matchup actually.

When would you want to max out oranges before your burst dmg and passive(active) boost? o.O
Stick it up. take it up. step aside and see the world
Chiharu Harukaze
Profile Joined September 2011
12112 Posts
January 17 2012 13:52 GMT
#196
On January 17 2012 22:23 iCanada wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 17 2012 17:16 Treadmill wrote:
I kinda wonder if the "power creep" that people talk about isn't from more recent releases being straight-up stronger than older characters, but from more recent releases being more adapted to the metagame that has developed than older more general characters (Ashe vs modern AD's, where the purpose of the current ad is to farm up and deal as much damage as possible, while most of ashe's skills are wasted on utility).

Regarding the 'fixed metagame' - I think that riot tries to make sure that newer releases can fit into the current metagame so people will actually play them, and I think thats fine. I don't think its some conspiracy to enforce the metagame but rather riot reacting to what players are doing. Look at, say, Fizz or Talon - they do work inside the metagame but not cleanly. Fizz especially, they even classify him as a fighter/assassin rather than as a mage.

Also I think that the metagame doesn't evolve so much because the focus is solo queue, rather than team games - and that's a result of the player base more than anything riot is doing. In solo queue a 'standard' metagame works because then everyone knows what to expect and what is expected of them, which is required since its 5 strangers (usually).

This has gotten kinda long but I'm sick and tired of people harping about the 'static metagame' and of people getting pissy at riot for everything they do. The metagame exists for a reason - and if you look at tournaments its not nearly as fixed as people make it out to be.

As for criticisms of riot, yeah sometimes they're valid, but sometimes it feels to me like people are upset riot isn't staffed by weird amalgams of Socrates, da Vinci and Jesus. Perfect game design is hard, yo.


Having just played Poppy last night (you know, that super old champ who has literally never been changed) that this is the case.

Holy hell late game Poppy is strong... Like... ridiculously stupidly strong. I actually think thats why DoubleLift is so bad at like map awareness. "Four opponents? Only me? Trololololol ultikgburst->two dead and poppy gets away with her life."

When you watch Doublelift play, you can see Poppy/Blitz influencing a lot of what he does. It's not quite as noticeable now since he has CLG teaching him. But during his time on Curse, it was incredibly striking how bad a lot of his plays were (especially his Cait positioning) and you could really see his Blitzcrank mentality behind a lot of those plays. Their Rampage King of the Hill game against Dignitas is a great example during one of their jungle fights where his Blitz style play led to his team getting aced.
It's like, "Is the Federation's Mobile Suit some kind of monster?"
turdburgler
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
England6749 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-01-17 14:02:58
January 17 2012 13:58 GMT
#197
On January 17 2012 22:41 G3CKO wrote:
New champ Shaniqua is a Shyvana with a permaslow and mass stun?


might aswell just call the new champ "i build ashe as a bruiser and do tons of damage"

on the topic of vayne, i felt that reddit post made about tumble compared to her silver arrows really misguided. it talked about tumble critting a support for 1k damage as if thats what vayne EVER does outside of against retards in the laning phase.

if you tumble into a team fight to shoot the squishy your gonna be dead, instantly. vayne has always been about her insane ability to 1v1 and combined with passive+ult her ability to clear up after a team fight, all this leads me to conclude that tumble should never be used aggressively unless you are 100% sure of it being safe. vayne is the purest form of "keep myself alive at all costs because i can clear up low hp people" and her ability to deal decent damage to tanks through true damage really adds to this, she can be a legit dps even when sitting at the back poking the tanks.

why exactly has everyone got such a hard on for tumble?
Shiv.
Profile Joined January 2011
3534 Posts
January 17 2012 14:00 GMT
#198
On January 17 2012 22:51 RogerX wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 17 2012 22:18 JackDino wrote:
On January 17 2012 22:01 RogerX wrote:
On January 17 2012 21:23 ihasaKAROT wrote:
On January 17 2012 21:08 clickrush wrote:
sejuani's passive slows enemies on attack.

phreak: "I buy frozen mallet to slow enemies on attack."


You mean all the other spotlights made sence to you?

Phreak is allways off on style, skillorder and items. Not to mention his love for the jungle without being able to gank properly, and allways rushing triforce.

Spotlights are more to check out the animations and castranges for stuff, all the rest is pure blablabla to me.

-Cough-

GP spotlight

-Cough-

+ Show Spoiler +
I think he said max oranges first, LOL

Oranges first very good depending on matchup actually.

When would you want to max out oranges before your burst dmg and passive(active) boost? o.O

Pantheon comes to mind.
currently rooting for myself.
zer0das
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
United States8519 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-01-17 14:21:24
January 17 2012 14:19 GMT
#199
Jax feels okay to me now. Definitely weaker, but I can see his jungle being really strong. The real problem with Counter Strike is people just CC you, and then run away. Really stupid and makes the skill worthless in any 5v5 teamfight. The AOE is still really small too, so I don't even know if cleanse helps that at all. How is that more reliable!?!?
JackDino
Profile Joined July 2010
Gabon6219 Posts
January 17 2012 14:20 GMT
#200
On January 17 2012 22:51 RogerX wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 17 2012 22:18 JackDino wrote:
On January 17 2012 22:01 RogerX wrote:
On January 17 2012 21:23 ihasaKAROT wrote:
On January 17 2012 21:08 clickrush wrote:
sejuani's passive slows enemies on attack.

phreak: "I buy frozen mallet to slow enemies on attack."


You mean all the other spotlights made sence to you?

Phreak is allways off on style, skillorder and items. Not to mention his love for the jungle without being able to gank properly, and allways rushing triforce.

Spotlights are more to check out the animations and castranges for stuff, all the rest is pure blablabla to me.

-Cough-

GP spotlight

-Cough-

+ Show Spoiler +
I think he said max oranges first, LOL

Oranges first very good depending on matchup actually.

When would you want to max out oranges before your burst dmg and passive(active) boost? o.O

When you have a hard lane, you max oranges and just farm, they heal for like 300 @ max rank for 65 mana or so, shits crazy.
This isnt Broodwar so I dont owe anyone respect for beating me. -arb
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