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Shikyo
Finland33997 Posts
Karma so good at mindgames. Oh, and after I got a lot of AP items their entire team disappeared when I W'd my malphite and then did a R-E + Q combo into the clump of enemies o_O Not to mention the fact that she has a freaking AoE heal that was healing 400+ health for most of my teammates every 13 seconds with bluebuff... She's so underrated in my opinion. | ||
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Cloud9157
United States2968 Posts
On January 11 2012 15:36 tobi9999 wrote: Malzahar isn't that dependent on blue XD, but that's probably because I don't spam for tons of passive critters. Swain, Kassadin, and Anivia are hopeless though lol. They're just like, clear wave go gank np solid strat. Then they're like shit too much mana used gg I meant to say Malz and Swain don't need it because they can gain mana back. If mana is an issue with Swain, you're doing it wrong. Passive too good. | ||
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Shikyo
Finland33997 Posts
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tobi9999
United States1966 Posts
On January 11 2012 16:16 Cloud9157 wrote: I meant to say Malz and Swain don't need it because they can gain mana back. If mana is an issue with Swain, you're doing it wrong. Passive too good. you can sustain your ult in a fight 5x as long with blue..... It's pretty important on Swain lol | ||
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Cloud9157
United States2968 Posts
On January 11 2012 16:21 tobi9999 wrote: you can sustain your ult in a fight 5x as long with blue..... It's pretty important on Swain lol Thats true, but he isn't one of those champs that will need the second blue. After that he should definitely get it for his ult, as you mentioned. | ||
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Ryuu314
United States12679 Posts
On January 11 2012 16:16 Cloud9157 wrote: I meant to say Malz and Swain don't need it because they can gain mana back. If mana is an issue with Swain, you're doing it wrong. Passive too good. you definitely don't need blue to survive or do well in lane, but once laning breaks down or if your team is looking to teamfight/control objectives you most definitely need blue on swain. | ||
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Shikyo
Finland33997 Posts
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dignity
Canada908 Posts
On January 11 2012 17:00 Shikyo wrote: so this game im playhing support rumble with vayne vs janna kogmaw and we're completely wrecking them, 8-3 and 120 ck vs 32 Then you realize you would never want that janna/kogmaw on your team ever. | ||
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Promises
Netherlands1821 Posts
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sylverfyre
United States8298 Posts
On January 11 2012 16:35 Ryuu314 wrote: you definitely don't need blue to survive or do well in lane, but once laning breaks down or if your team is looking to teamfight/control objectives you most definitely need blue on swain. Not only that but it lets swain be more bossy in lane and birdform off any traded damage. | ||
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Two_DoWn
United States13684 Posts
On January 11 2012 17:15 Promises wrote: Holy shit, just tried http://www.solomid.net/blog.php?v=17054 on Ezreal (200 cs in 20min custom game) and only got 166 on my first try. I didn't even feel like I was doing that badly but at some point you get a big'ish wave and misses start to happen. I'll have another go in a bit. That jungle test for improvement is pointless. Its impossible to tell where people are in new jungle without wards or picking them up as they gank, especially if buff camps are down. | ||
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daemir
Finland8662 Posts
CS numbers naturally differ per match depending how much action there is overall. If midlanes play agro and junglers hit that lane often, both are naturally going to cs less. But 10 cs a minute at 20 and 30 mins always looks strong. | ||
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Shikyo
Finland33997 Posts
On January 11 2012 17:14 dignity wrote: Then you realize you would never want that janna/kogmaw on your team ever. yeah they're pretty bad, but Rumble does quite a lot of damage I guess, but poor CC... I guess this isn't viable after all. I'm starting to really like playing support though, it's just so much fun when you see that the AD carry you're protecting does well and it's also nice to suicide for them and then they clean up and so on.. However what kind of ruins my mood to play support is when I get one of those braindead morons who can't lasthit for the life of him and fails completely no matter what I do, doesn't notice enemies despite wards, etc. But if the player is deserving, I think that supporting is one of the most fun roles in the entire game. | ||
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dignity
Canada908 Posts
On January 11 2012 17:20 Two_DoWn wrote: That jungle test for improvement is pointless. Its impossible to tell where people are in new jungle without wards or picking them up as they gank, especially if buff camps are down. I agree to some extent. You should instead look at all your lanes, and try and guess if its worth his time to gank, and if so get ready for countergank, or to see if you have an opportunity to gank. Jungling is pretty much completely down to decision making right now. @Shikyo I love playing support, partly because I tend to be the one that calls all the plays in my games and me being the one to babysit and ward allows me to call those plays accurately. I don't have to rely on other people to ward, since for some reason a lot of supports at my elo tend to just forget to buy wards/oracles after a certain point in the game. I agree that playing support sucks when your ad is terrible though. Your ad failing pretty much means you fail along with him, which really isn't fun at all. | ||
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JackDino
Gabon6219 Posts
It's also a nerf against mages lol. | ||
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Promises
Netherlands1821 Posts
On January 11 2012 17:25 daemir wrote: Yea I don't see how you could predict jungler location with 95% success rate in the new jungle without really aggressive warding. You can literally start anywhere with pretty much anyone and any time spent camping a lane brush is gonna throw you off. CS numbers naturally differ per match depending how much action there is overall. If midlanes play agro and junglers hit that lane often, both are naturally going to cs less. But 10 cs a minute at 20 and 30 mins always looks strong. Ah didn't really look at the jungle stuff, but was just surprised at how well below 200 cs I was, when it felt I hadn't really missed that much (when in reality I missed about 60-70 apparantly). | ||
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Shikyo
Finland33997 Posts
On January 11 2012 17:28 JackDino wrote: With jax being one of my favourite champs, depending on the cd the counterstrike change might be really shitty, and the old animation was way cooler than the new shitty one :/ It's also a nerf against mages lol. The new animation is so lame xD wtf spin, what is he, a manly scrappy fighter who uses whatever he can find as a weapon, or a freaking ballerina? If the cooldown of the counter attack is something like 4-6 seconds then I think that it might be really nice and strong, however if it's more like in the 10 second region then I think that they just killed the hero, kind of. However, he's going to have a reliable harrass in lane now with counterattack -> wait -> jumpstrike -> stun -> hit, hit W cancel into R proc, and if he can do that consistently then I believe that he might actually still be really strong even with something like a 10 second cooldown on counterattack just because it would mean that his laning would be insanely powerful. | ||
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JackDino
Gabon6219 Posts
On January 11 2012 17:33 Shikyo wrote: The new animation is so lame xD wtf spin, what is he, a manly scrappy fighter who uses whatever he can find as a weapon, or a freaking ballerina? If the cooldown of the counter attack is something like 4-6 seconds then I think that it might be really nice and strong, however if it's more like in the 10 second region then I think that they just killed the hero, kind of. However, he's going to have a reliable harrass in lane now with counterattack -> wait -> jumpstrike -> stun -> hit, hit W cancel into R proc, and if he can do that consistently then I believe that he might actually still be really strong even with something like a 10 second cooldown on counterattack just because it would mean that his laning would be insanely powerful. Depending on what I laned against I didn't even rely on counterattack for harass, just auto W them when they go to cs lol. The new counterstrike makes is so that you have to wait out the duration before you can even get close to certain mages, whereas previously all you needed to do was tank like 3 creeps for a second. It's actually a nerf vs top laners that autoattack a lot like trynd. | ||
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ihasaKAROT
Netherlands4730 Posts
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RogerX
New Zealand3180 Posts
Its an original approach, I and a few others, thought that it was just going to be counter-strike without the dodges. I mean comon, what else could you have changed for his W without an RNG factor? | ||
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