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Shikyo
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
Finland33997 Posts
January 11 2012 07:06 GMT
#3221
Huehue played the funniest karma game ever! xD Carried so hard as solo mid, funnies thing was at mid when I was just about to die -> Sion flash-ignited me and at like 20 hp I did E! and lived with the shield.. then as I was running away enemy Vayne came from our jungle(in between the 2 mid turrets at blue side) and did a tumble and hit me and then turned away as she was certain I'd die -> ulti'd Q =D

Karma so good at mindgames.


Oh, and after I got a lot of AP items their entire team disappeared when I W'd my malphite and then did a R-E + Q combo into the clump of enemies o_O Not to mention the fact that she has a freaking AoE heal that was healing 400+ health for most of my teammates every 13 seconds with bluebuff...

She's so underrated in my opinion.
League of Legends EU West, Platinum III | Yousei Teikoku is the best thing that has ever happened to music.
Cloud9157
Profile Joined December 2010
United States2968 Posts
January 11 2012 07:16 GMT
#3222
On January 11 2012 15:36 tobi9999 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 11 2012 15:31 Cloud9157 wrote:
On January 11 2012 15:22 Shikyo wrote:
Hmm i played a game as ryze vs anivia mid, my jungler gave me every blue and opposing warwick jungler gave the anivia 0 blue buffs throughout the game. I went 3-0 vs the anivia as she couldn't do much after spending all her mana twice on clearing the creepwave, and then I farmed 300 minions at 33min as I had freefarm(pretty proud of that!).

Then at the end of the game the warwick goes "gg mid feed reported" >_>

It's amazing how clueless some people are about jungling.


People that don't know which champions NEED blue make me rage. Its not that hard to think about it: Is anyone constantly spamming spells/have no way of regenerating mana (Malzahar and Swain)? They probably need blue then.



Malzahar isn't that dependent on blue XD, but that's probably because I don't spam for tons of passive critters.
Swain, Kassadin, and Anivia are hopeless though lol.

They're just like, clear wave go gank np solid strat.
Then they're like shit too much mana used gg


I meant to say Malz and Swain don't need it because they can gain mana back.

If mana is an issue with Swain, you're doing it wrong. Passive too good.
"Are you absolutely sure that armor only affects the health portion of a protoss army??? That doesn't sound right to me. source?" -Some idiot
Shikyo
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
Finland33997 Posts
January 11 2012 07:20 GMT
#3223
Blue is still amazing on swain, it means you don't need to conserve mana, even if you might be able to get by without the blue. The same with malzahar, in my opinion. He should definitely be getting the blues unless there's someone else that's dependant on blue. Still I prefer champions like Ryze, Rumble, Vladimir for the second AP. Ryze's the only mana champion who I feel doesn't really need blue as after his core with glacial shroud he's basically going to have almost maxed cdr and infinite mana so he's a really nice champion to have to accompany someone like anivia if you want to run a strategy based around two mages.
League of Legends EU West, Platinum III | Yousei Teikoku is the best thing that has ever happened to music.
tobi9999
Profile Joined April 2009
United States1966 Posts
January 11 2012 07:21 GMT
#3224
On January 11 2012 16:16 Cloud9157 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 11 2012 15:36 tobi9999 wrote:
On January 11 2012 15:31 Cloud9157 wrote:
On January 11 2012 15:22 Shikyo wrote:
Hmm i played a game as ryze vs anivia mid, my jungler gave me every blue and opposing warwick jungler gave the anivia 0 blue buffs throughout the game. I went 3-0 vs the anivia as she couldn't do much after spending all her mana twice on clearing the creepwave, and then I farmed 300 minions at 33min as I had freefarm(pretty proud of that!).

Then at the end of the game the warwick goes "gg mid feed reported" >_>

It's amazing how clueless some people are about jungling.


People that don't know which champions NEED blue make me rage. Its not that hard to think about it: Is anyone constantly spamming spells/have no way of regenerating mana (Malzahar and Swain)? They probably need blue then.



Malzahar isn't that dependent on blue XD, but that's probably because I don't spam for tons of passive critters.
Swain, Kassadin, and Anivia are hopeless though lol.

They're just like, clear wave go gank np solid strat.
Then they're like shit too much mana used gg


I meant to say Malz and Swain don't need it because they can gain mana back.

If mana is an issue with Swain, you're doing it wrong. Passive too good.


you can sustain your ult in a fight 5x as long with blue..... It's pretty important on Swain lol
"tobi is ur iq 9999? cuz i think it might be u so smart wowowow." -Artosis
Cloud9157
Profile Joined December 2010
United States2968 Posts
January 11 2012 07:31 GMT
#3225
On January 11 2012 16:21 tobi9999 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 11 2012 16:16 Cloud9157 wrote:
On January 11 2012 15:36 tobi9999 wrote:
On January 11 2012 15:31 Cloud9157 wrote:
On January 11 2012 15:22 Shikyo wrote:
Hmm i played a game as ryze vs anivia mid, my jungler gave me every blue and opposing warwick jungler gave the anivia 0 blue buffs throughout the game. I went 3-0 vs the anivia as she couldn't do much after spending all her mana twice on clearing the creepwave, and then I farmed 300 minions at 33min as I had freefarm(pretty proud of that!).

Then at the end of the game the warwick goes "gg mid feed reported" >_>

It's amazing how clueless some people are about jungling.


People that don't know which champions NEED blue make me rage. Its not that hard to think about it: Is anyone constantly spamming spells/have no way of regenerating mana (Malzahar and Swain)? They probably need blue then.



Malzahar isn't that dependent on blue XD, but that's probably because I don't spam for tons of passive critters.
Swain, Kassadin, and Anivia are hopeless though lol.

They're just like, clear wave go gank np solid strat.
Then they're like shit too much mana used gg


I meant to say Malz and Swain don't need it because they can gain mana back.

If mana is an issue with Swain, you're doing it wrong. Passive too good.


you can sustain your ult in a fight 5x as long with blue..... It's pretty important on Swain lol


Thats true, but he isn't one of those champs that will need the second blue. After that he should definitely get it for his ult, as you mentioned.
"Are you absolutely sure that armor only affects the health portion of a protoss army??? That doesn't sound right to me. source?" -Some idiot
Ryuu314
Profile Joined October 2009
United States12679 Posts
January 11 2012 07:35 GMT
#3226
On January 11 2012 16:16 Cloud9157 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 11 2012 15:36 tobi9999 wrote:
On January 11 2012 15:31 Cloud9157 wrote:
On January 11 2012 15:22 Shikyo wrote:
Hmm i played a game as ryze vs anivia mid, my jungler gave me every blue and opposing warwick jungler gave the anivia 0 blue buffs throughout the game. I went 3-0 vs the anivia as she couldn't do much after spending all her mana twice on clearing the creepwave, and then I farmed 300 minions at 33min as I had freefarm(pretty proud of that!).

Then at the end of the game the warwick goes "gg mid feed reported" >_>

It's amazing how clueless some people are about jungling.


People that don't know which champions NEED blue make me rage. Its not that hard to think about it: Is anyone constantly spamming spells/have no way of regenerating mana (Malzahar and Swain)? They probably need blue then.



Malzahar isn't that dependent on blue XD, but that's probably because I don't spam for tons of passive critters.
Swain, Kassadin, and Anivia are hopeless though lol.

They're just like, clear wave go gank np solid strat.
Then they're like shit too much mana used gg


I meant to say Malz and Swain don't need it because they can gain mana back.

If mana is an issue with Swain, you're doing it wrong. Passive too good.

you definitely don't need blue to survive or do well in lane, but once laning breaks down or if your team is looking to teamfight/control objectives you most definitely need blue on swain.
Shikyo
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
Finland33997 Posts
January 11 2012 08:00 GMT
#3227
so this game im playhing support rumble with vayne vs janna kogmaw and we're completely wrecking them, 8-3 and 120 ck vs 32
League of Legends EU West, Platinum III | Yousei Teikoku is the best thing that has ever happened to music.
dignity
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Canada908 Posts
January 11 2012 08:14 GMT
#3228
On January 11 2012 17:00 Shikyo wrote:
so this game im playhing support rumble with vayne vs janna kogmaw and we're completely wrecking them, 8-3 and 120 ck vs 32


Then you realize you would never want that janna/kogmaw on your team ever.
Promises
Profile Joined February 2004
Netherlands1821 Posts
January 11 2012 08:15 GMT
#3229
Holy shit, just tried http://www.solomid.net/blog.php?v=17054 on Ezreal (200 cs in 20min custom game) and only got 166 on my first try. I didn't even feel like I was doing that badly but at some point you get a big'ish wave and misses start to happen. I'll have another go in a bit.
I'm a man of my word, and that word is "unreliable".
sylverfyre
Profile Joined May 2010
United States8298 Posts
January 11 2012 08:16 GMT
#3230
On January 11 2012 16:35 Ryuu314 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 11 2012 16:16 Cloud9157 wrote:
On January 11 2012 15:36 tobi9999 wrote:
On January 11 2012 15:31 Cloud9157 wrote:
On January 11 2012 15:22 Shikyo wrote:
Hmm i played a game as ryze vs anivia mid, my jungler gave me every blue and opposing warwick jungler gave the anivia 0 blue buffs throughout the game. I went 3-0 vs the anivia as she couldn't do much after spending all her mana twice on clearing the creepwave, and then I farmed 300 minions at 33min as I had freefarm(pretty proud of that!).

Then at the end of the game the warwick goes "gg mid feed reported" >_>

It's amazing how clueless some people are about jungling.


People that don't know which champions NEED blue make me rage. Its not that hard to think about it: Is anyone constantly spamming spells/have no way of regenerating mana (Malzahar and Swain)? They probably need blue then.



Malzahar isn't that dependent on blue XD, but that's probably because I don't spam for tons of passive critters.
Swain, Kassadin, and Anivia are hopeless though lol.

They're just like, clear wave go gank np solid strat.
Then they're like shit too much mana used gg


I meant to say Malz and Swain don't need it because they can gain mana back.

If mana is an issue with Swain, you're doing it wrong. Passive too good.

you definitely don't need blue to survive or do well in lane, but once laning breaks down or if your team is looking to teamfight/control objectives you most definitely need blue on swain.

Not only that but it lets swain be more bossy in lane and birdform off any traded damage.
Two_DoWn
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States13684 Posts
January 11 2012 08:20 GMT
#3231
On January 11 2012 17:15 Promises wrote:
Holy shit, just tried http://www.solomid.net/blog.php?v=17054 on Ezreal (200 cs in 20min custom game) and only got 166 on my first try. I didn't even feel like I was doing that badly but at some point you get a big'ish wave and misses start to happen. I'll have another go in a bit.

That jungle test for improvement is pointless. Its impossible to tell where people are in new jungle without wards or picking them up as they gank, especially if buff camps are down.
"What is the air speed velocity of an unladen courier?" "Dire or Radiant?"
daemir
Profile Joined September 2010
Finland8662 Posts
January 11 2012 08:25 GMT
#3232
Yea I don't see how you could predict jungler location with 95% success rate in the new jungle without really aggressive warding. You can literally start anywhere with pretty much anyone and any time spent camping a lane brush is gonna throw you off.

CS numbers naturally differ per match depending how much action there is overall. If midlanes play agro and junglers hit that lane often, both are naturally going to cs less. But 10 cs a minute at 20 and 30 mins always looks strong.
Shikyo
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
Finland33997 Posts
January 11 2012 08:25 GMT
#3233
On January 11 2012 17:14 dignity wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 11 2012 17:00 Shikyo wrote:
so this game im playhing support rumble with vayne vs janna kogmaw and we're completely wrecking them, 8-3 and 120 ck vs 32


Then you realize you would never want that janna/kogmaw on your team ever.

yeah they're pretty bad, but Rumble does quite a lot of damage I guess, but poor CC... I guess this isn't viable after all.

I'm starting to really like playing support though, it's just so much fun when you see that the AD carry you're protecting does well and it's also nice to suicide for them and then they clean up and so on..

However what kind of ruins my mood to play support is when I get one of those braindead morons who can't lasthit for the life of him and fails completely no matter what I do, doesn't notice enemies despite wards, etc. But if the player is deserving, I think that supporting is one of the most fun roles in the entire game.
League of Legends EU West, Platinum III | Yousei Teikoku is the best thing that has ever happened to music.
dignity
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Canada908 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-01-11 08:28:39
January 11 2012 08:26 GMT
#3234
On January 11 2012 17:20 Two_DoWn wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 11 2012 17:15 Promises wrote:
Holy shit, just tried http://www.solomid.net/blog.php?v=17054 on Ezreal (200 cs in 20min custom game) and only got 166 on my first try. I didn't even feel like I was doing that badly but at some point you get a big'ish wave and misses start to happen. I'll have another go in a bit.

That jungle test for improvement is pointless. Its impossible to tell where people are in new jungle without wards or picking them up as they gank, especially if buff camps are down.


I agree to some extent. You should instead look at all your lanes, and try and guess if its worth his time to gank, and if so get ready for countergank, or to see if you have an opportunity to gank. Jungling is pretty much completely down to decision making right now.

@Shikyo

I love playing support, partly because I tend to be the one that calls all the plays in my games and me being the one to babysit and ward allows me to call those plays accurately. I don't have to rely on other people to ward, since for some reason a lot of supports at my elo tend to just forget to buy wards/oracles after a certain point in the game. I agree that playing support sucks when your ad is terrible though. Your ad failing pretty much means you fail along with him, which really isn't fun at all.
JackDino
Profile Joined July 2010
Gabon6219 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-01-11 08:31:03
January 11 2012 08:28 GMT
#3235
With jax being one of my favourite champs, depending on the cd the counterstrike change might be really shitty, and the old animation was way cooler than the new shitty one :/
It's also a nerf against mages lol.
This isnt Broodwar so I dont owe anyone respect for beating me. -arb
Promises
Profile Joined February 2004
Netherlands1821 Posts
January 11 2012 08:30 GMT
#3236
On January 11 2012 17:25 daemir wrote:
Yea I don't see how you could predict jungler location with 95% success rate in the new jungle without really aggressive warding. You can literally start anywhere with pretty much anyone and any time spent camping a lane brush is gonna throw you off.

CS numbers naturally differ per match depending how much action there is overall. If midlanes play agro and junglers hit that lane often, both are naturally going to cs less. But 10 cs a minute at 20 and 30 mins always looks strong.


Ah didn't really look at the jungle stuff, but was just surprised at how well below 200 cs I was, when it felt I hadn't really missed that much (when in reality I missed about 60-70 apparantly).
I'm a man of my word, and that word is "unreliable".
Shikyo
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
Finland33997 Posts
January 11 2012 08:33 GMT
#3237
On January 11 2012 17:28 JackDino wrote:
With jax being one of my favourite champs, depending on the cd the counterstrike change might be really shitty, and the old animation was way cooler than the new shitty one :/
It's also a nerf against mages lol.

The new animation is so lame xD wtf spin, what is he, a manly scrappy fighter who uses whatever he can find as a weapon, or a freaking ballerina?

If the cooldown of the counter attack is something like 4-6 seconds then I think that it might be really nice and strong, however if it's more like in the 10 second region then I think that they just killed the hero, kind of. However, he's going to have a reliable harrass in lane now with counterattack -> wait -> jumpstrike -> stun -> hit, hit W cancel into R proc, and if he can do that consistently then I believe that he might actually still be really strong even with something like a 10 second cooldown on counterattack just because it would mean that his laning would be insanely powerful.
League of Legends EU West, Platinum III | Yousei Teikoku is the best thing that has ever happened to music.
JackDino
Profile Joined July 2010
Gabon6219 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-01-11 09:05:35
January 11 2012 08:35 GMT
#3238
On January 11 2012 17:33 Shikyo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 11 2012 17:28 JackDino wrote:
With jax being one of my favourite champs, depending on the cd the counterstrike change might be really shitty, and the old animation was way cooler than the new shitty one :/
It's also a nerf against mages lol.

The new animation is so lame xD wtf spin, what is he, a manly scrappy fighter who uses whatever he can find as a weapon, or a freaking ballerina?

If the cooldown of the counter attack is something like 4-6 seconds then I think that it might be really nice and strong, however if it's more like in the 10 second region then I think that they just killed the hero, kind of. However, he's going to have a reliable harrass in lane now with counterattack -> wait -> jumpstrike -> stun -> hit, hit W cancel into R proc, and if he can do that consistently then I believe that he might actually still be really strong even with something like a 10 second cooldown on counterattack just because it would mean that his laning would be insanely powerful.

Depending on what I laned against I didn't even rely on counterattack for harass, just auto W them when they go to cs lol.
The new counterstrike makes is so that you have to wait out the duration before you can even get close to certain mages, whereas previously all you needed to do was tank like 3 creeps for a second.
It's actually a nerf vs top laners that autoattack a lot like trynd.
This isnt Broodwar so I dont owe anyone respect for beating me. -arb
ihasaKAROT
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Netherlands4730 Posts
January 11 2012 08:53 GMT
#3239
Ima try that CS test with my group of casual players. Seems like a fun and handy thing to try
KCCO!
RogerX
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
New Zealand3180 Posts
January 11 2012 10:47 GMT
#3240
I actually like this new approach to Jax. The animation looks pretty cool, although its a picture so we have yet to see how the real animation looks like.

Its an original approach, I and a few others, thought that it was just going to be counter-strike without the dodges.

I mean comon, what else could you have changed for his W without an RNG factor?
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