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Cloud9157
United States2968 Posts
On January 11 2012 14:45 anmolsinghmzn2009 wrote: Is it possible to jungle cow? His ganks would be pretty sick right? At WCG, I believe it was team Poland that jungled him game 1 vs Canada. I've also seen Shushei do it before. Maybe I didn't pay enough attention, but his clear time seems pretty high. | ||
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NotSorry
United States6722 Posts
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tobi9999
United States1966 Posts
On January 11 2012 14:47 barbsq wrote: um... what? ppl tend to balance armor and mres pretty well (@ 1500ish elo, which isn't even very high), except for squishy targets, and ranged AD tend to buy qss.... which means they're going to have more mres than armor. edit: also, vayne's base dmg on silver bolts start at 20 true dmg without the 8% modifier, so i think you're wrong when you say that 10 true dmg is more than 20 I'm sorry, but are you trolling me? 10 true damage per hit vs 20 true damage per 3 hits? Like, I'm fine with having arguments with stubborn people, but I absolutely despise having my time wasted by trolls -_- EDIT: Also, like I said, vs people who actually care about getting poked, AKA squishies, they don't balance their armor out. and if you're poking at 25 minutes + when people have QSS, then you're not playing AD carry right because you're going to get raped if they decide to initiate on you. By poke I meant like pushing down the first or second tower in a lane, or poking people at dragon. | ||
anmolsinghmzn2009
India1783 Posts
On January 11 2012 14:49 NotSorry wrote: If by cow you mean Alistar then yea it possible in the old jungle and much easier now, however his clear times aren't very good Well I just got thinking since smash said in current jungle camping lanes is way better. A tanky alistar would also disrupt teamfights so well. | ||
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Alzadar
Canada5009 Posts
On January 11 2012 14:48 overt wrote: You can jungle Alistar. Corki is better than Ezreal because who cares if Ezreal may or may not have better poke. You won't be poking forever and in a straight 1v1 Corki will always win. Even in a teamfight Corki is going to be putting out more damage than Ez. edit: Has anyone tried skipping Trinity and going straight for IE/PD on Corki? You'd basically be trading a stronger early/midgame for a monster of a late game. Corki vs Ezreal 1v1 is very situational I'd say, but it can go either way and is definetely not a stomp for Corki. If Ezreal can start the fight with his passive stacked and not stand in gatling gun, he should win easily. If Corki can prevent Ezreal from getting stacks, land a good gatling gun and dodge Essence Flux, he'll win handily. Missile ammo at the start of the fight is pretty relevant too. Not sure where you get the teamfight thing from, Gatling Gun is Corki's main strength there and the problem is he either can't kite while it's on or he loses out on some of the damage. Ezreal can kite six ways from Sunday while still using all his abilities and autoattacking. Again, each have their own strengths and weaknesses. On January 11 2012 14:55 tobi9999 wrote: I'm sorry, but are you trolling me? 10 true damage per hit vs 20 true damage per 3 hits? Like, I'm fine with having arguments with stubborn people, but I absolutely despise having my time wasted by trolls -_- EDIT: Also, like I said, vs people who actually care about getting poked, AKA squishies, they don't balance their armor out. and if you're poking at 25 minutes + when people have QSS, then you're not playing AD carry right because you're going to get raped if they decide to initiate on you. By poke I meant like pushing down the first or second tower in a lane, or poking people at dragon. How do you initiate on someone 1100-1200 distance away with a 600 range quick jump or a 475 range instant blink? Even Malphite's super strong initiating skills can't catch Corki or Ezreal.  Corki's true damage is obviously higher than Vayne's at the start of the game (since hers has to be leveled up and scales with target health), but in the endgame (when true damage is actually relevant because people have high armor), Vayne's is stronger, although not by a huge amount and it has the disadvantage of requiring 3 hits to proc. | ||
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barbsq
United States5348 Posts
On January 11 2012 14:55 tobi9999 wrote: I'm sorry, but are you trolling me? 10 true damage per hit vs 20 true damage per 3 hits? Like, I'm fine with having arguments with stubborn people, but I absolutely despise having my time wasted by trolls -_- EDIT: Also, like I said, vs people who actually care about getting poked, AKA squishies, they don't balance their armor out. and if you're poking at 25 minutes + when people have QSS, then you're not playing AD carry right because you're going to get raped if they decide to initiate on you. By poke I meant like pushing down the first or second tower in a lane, or poking people at dragon. forgot about the 3 hit condition, my mistake | ||
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seRapH
United States9806 Posts
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tobi9999
United States1966 Posts
On January 11 2012 14:59 Alzadar wrote: Corki vs Ezreal 1v1 is very situational I'd say, but it can go either way and is definetely not a stomp for Corki. If Ezreal can start the fight with his passive stacked and not stand in gatling gun, he should win easily. If Corki can prevent Ezreal from getting stacks, land a good gatling gun and dodge Essence Flux, he'll win handily. Missile ammo at the start of the fight is pretty relevant too. Not sure where you get the teamfight thing from, Gatling Gun is Corki's main strength there and the problem is he either can't kite while it's on or he loses out on some of the damage. Ezreal can kite six ways from Sunday while still using all his abilities and autoattacking. Again, each have their own strengths and weaknesses. I always go for IE first on Corki, it's slowly becoming more prevalent in pro AD carries as well. I know v8 aphromoo only goes IE first on corki, and never triforce. Chaox does sometimes one and sometimes the other :/ I feel that Tri Force is just the most retarded OP item you can get on Corki if you're facing squishies, because you can seriously just valkyrie in and one shot them sometimes. But if the enemy is tanky, Tri Force feels almost useless outside of kiting. And yes I agree, Ezreal is the best kiter by far. He is also the most independent, since if he gets stunned he'll still blink unlike trist and corki. He doesn't need peel which is by far his greatest strength. Hence why Dignitas picks him when they run double assassin comps without peel. EDIT: Also, to comment on Ezreal vs Corki in a 1v1 situation. Corki does win most of the time, but ezreal can actually kite him around. If Ezreal does not expect Corki, and he just comes out of nowhere and starts attacking him, then Ezreal has no chance. However, if you're Ezreal and you see Corki chasing you, then you can use your abilities to your advantage and maybe pull out a draw or even a win if you're lucky. | ||
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Shikyo
Finland33997 Posts
Then at the end of the game the warwick goes "gg mid feed reported" >_> It's amazing how clueless some people are about jungling. | ||
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barbsq
United States5348 Posts
altho, i have to say i'm pretty biased, my experiences with corki in my games is pretty low (tho not zero) whereas i have 2 very good ezreal players that i play with. | ||
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wussleeQ
United States3130 Posts
On January 11 2012 14:45 anmolsinghmzn2009 wrote: Is it possible to jungle cow? His ganks would be pretty sick right? yes you can. really strong early game. falls off a bit though. i like to build him mainly as a tank since all my attempts at tanky dps cow start off 6-0 and end 8-10. Just gotta learn how to hit the WQ combo everytime for it to work very well. level 6 dive is also supa strongggg | ||
infinitestory
United States4053 Posts
something about WGT (the chinese event) | ||
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tobi9999
United States1966 Posts
On January 11 2012 15:23 barbsq wrote: i dont think it's terribly relevant to compare corki and ezreal in a 1v1 situation, but tbh i'd actually put my money on ezreal. Assuming both hit everything, ezreal's 5 second, 40% attackspeed debuff is going to be pretty significant, unless you think that corki will 100-0 ezreal in 1 burst round. altho, i have to say i'm pretty biased, my experiences with corki in my games is pretty low (tho not zero) whereas i have 2 very good ezreal players that i play with. Eh, Corki is a really really weird hero. His damage is deceiving. You just see him last hitting and then poking you for a bit, and you're like k this hero isn't that much damage I can take him! Then he activates gatling gun and valks into you then q+r's you and all of a sudden you're dead in less than 3 auto attacks. one thing you have to take into consideration, is that Corki Q+R combo which takes .5 seconds to cast, hits higher than Ezreals ult, which misses most of the time xD | ||
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Cloud9157
United States2968 Posts
On January 11 2012 15:22 Shikyo wrote: Hmm i played a game as ryze vs anivia mid, my jungler gave me every blue and opposing warwick jungler gave the anivia 0 blue buffs throughout the game. I went 3-0 vs the anivia as she couldn't do much after spending all her mana twice on clearing the creepwave, and then I farmed 300 minions at 33min as I had freefarm(pretty proud of that!). Then at the end of the game the warwick goes "gg mid feed reported" >_> It's amazing how clueless some people are about jungling. People that don't know which champions NEED blue make me rage. Its not that hard to think about it: Is anyone constantly spamming spells/have no way of regenerating mana (Malzahar and Swain)? They probably need blue then. | ||
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anmolsinghmzn2009
India1783 Posts
On January 11 2012 15:25 wussleeQ wrote: yes you can. really strong early game. falls off a bit though. i like to build him mainly as a tank since all my attempts at tanky dps cow start off 6-0 and end 8-10. Just gotta learn how to hit the WQ combo everytime for it to work very well. level 6 dive is also supa strongggg Tanky AP cow like singed? Does decent damage and his ult gives him cool survivabilty just like singed. Also he's awesome at disrupting enemy team's positioning and stuff. Edit: also graves+lebonk support so stronk lol. Lvl6 double kill npnp. | ||
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Parnage
United States7414 Posts
Seriously though, he's best at games ending before 25-30 minutes. Then his midgame/early game falls off and until he gets his late late late game items other ad's pull ahead. In short, he requires tons of farm or kills to be good by late game, other ad carries this is not that case. However if you can win his early game that solves most of the problems. -_o Also, I am becoming more and more only support player, I can feel my top and jungler skills fading away.. HALP | ||
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tobi9999
United States1966 Posts
On January 11 2012 15:31 Cloud9157 wrote: People that don't know which champions NEED blue make me rage. Its not that hard to think about it: Is anyone constantly spamming spells/have no way of regenerating mana (Malzahar and Swain)? They probably need blue then. Malzahar isn't that dependent on blue XD, but that's probably because I don't spam for tons of passive critters. Swain, Kassadin, and Anivia are hopeless though lol. They're just like, clear wave go gank np solid strat. Then they're like shit too much mana used gg | ||
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Requizen
United States33802 Posts
I think whoever has the first shot wins. If Corki can initiate, you jump, GG on his face, peg with R, and win. If Ez initiates, you R from outside vision (pretty darn good damage later on), then run in and spam. His W's debuff is painful. That said, how they 1v1 isn't important. Teamplay is. Ezreal's poke is stronger, and if you're running an AoE comp (Galio/Sona/Cass ult to initiate), his R hitting all 5 targets can be devestating, and gives you a big buff. W's passive is very nice in teamfights, especially if your team has, like, a Trynd or Irelia or something. Conversely, Corki's armor shred is amazing, unless you're running some sort of double AP WotA style, where it will only really be useful for you. His ult's splash damage is good too, but loses out in sustained fights with it's ammo and being used as pre-fight pokes. | ||
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tobi9999
United States1966 Posts
On January 11 2012 15:35 Parnage wrote: Give ezreal's q an armor reduction bonus. Bam, just solved the ezreal problem. Seriously though, he's best at games ending before 25-30 minutes. Then his midgame/early game falls off and until he gets his late late late game items other ad's pull ahead. In short, he requires tons of farm or kills to be good by late game, other ad carries this is not that case. However if you can win his early game that solves most of the problems. -_o Also, I am becoming more and more only support player, I can feel my top and jungler skills fading away.. HALP More like, make it so his w gives himself a steroid, and not just his teammates | ||
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dignity
Canada908 Posts
On January 11 2012 15:46 tobi9999 wrote: More like, make it so his w gives himself a steroid, and not just his teammates That would single handedly make ez better than trist in every way. | ||
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