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On January 11 2012 13:51 Alzadar wrote:
I also want to contest Malphite being weak, he has very fast jungling speed (slower than Skarner/Udyr but can keep up or beat anybody else), powerful ganks post-6 (although pretty weak before 6), some of the best initiation in the game (Reverie your team, ult in, Randuins their team), and he basically takes the enemy team's ranged AD out of the game by sitting on their face and reducing their attack speed by a massive amount perpetually.
The AD just needs to sit back until you ult, which forces you to either use it on someone else to initiate or wait and use it only on the AD in a mediocre position (that your team can only partially follow up on). Sure, the slow is nice and the aspd debuff is also nice, but he does essentially no damage unless he's ahead (rarely happens as a jungle) / landing an entire combo on a very soft target. If you can't gib something off his ult, he becomes pretty useless. Lane Malphite is generally only picked in favorable matchups, so he's ahead enough to have okayish damage while being super tanky. Jungle MAalphite is picking one of the two.
Shurelya's/Randuins argument is pretty irrelevant, as any tank can do that and many can do it as well or better than Malphite out of the jungle.
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Malphite is a stronk counterpick to bruiser top + bruister jangle, as that means his FH + Ground Slam with be buttfucking 60% of the other team's damage output perpetually and he'll be impossible to kill. he would be a strong jungler if farming the jungle fast counted for anything, but it's becoming more and more apparent with every day that that just isn't the case.
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On January 11 2012 13:58 Two_DoWn wrote:
Lets have a little thought experiment with ezreal:
1- Corki or Ezreal, equal farm, who do you want (either build, triforce or standard ad carry items)
2- Vayne or Ezreal (standard items)
3- Graves or Ezreal
4- Kog or Ezreal
5- Cait or Ezreal. ect...
Time for some answers:
1- Corki. He does everything Ez does, only better. Even if you go for the mid game power build, corki does it better.
2- Vayne. Do I even need to explain this?
3- Graves. Post level 2 he has more lane power, can control the lane much better, and come teamfights he can melt an entire team in 2 abilities. His steroid is better, and his w is incredibly useful for controlling space.
4- Kog. See answer #2.
5- Cait. Her early game is better because she can control the wave and poke better than ez can, and her late game is better because her range is obscene. But of all the hypotheticals I listed, this is the closest, and even then ONLY if you go IE PD instead of the shitty midgame power build
What does Corki do better than Ezreal, except maybe shred armor? Ezreal's poke is much better and their escape ability is about equal (although the animation for Ezreal is much faster).
On January 11 2012 14:01 Craton wrote:Show nested quote +On January 11 2012 13:51 Alzadar wrote:
I also want to contest Malphite being weak, he has very fast jungling speed (slower than Skarner/Udyr but can keep up or beat anybody else), powerful ganks post-6 (although pretty weak before 6), some of the best initiation in the game (Reverie your team, ult in, Randuins their team), and he basically takes the enemy team's ranged AD out of the game by sitting on their face and reducing their attack speed by a massive amount perpetually. The AD just needs to sit back until you ult, which forces you to either use it on someone else to initiate or wait and use it only on the AD in a mediocre position (that your team can only partially follow up on). Sure, the slow is nice and the aspd debuff is also nice, but he does essentially no damage unless he's ahead (rarely happens as a jungle) / landing an entire combo on a very soft target. If you can't gib something off his ult, he becomes pretty useless. Lane Malphite is generally only picked in favorable matchups, so he's ahead enough to have okayish damage while being super tanky. Jungle MAalphite is picking one of the two. Shurelya's/Randuins argument is pretty irrelevant, as any tank can do that and many can do it as well or better than Malphite out of the jungle.
It's true that he does little damage, but that's not his job. He isn't trying to kill people at all, he makes the enemy ranged AD (and any other auto-attacker they may have) very ineffective, allowing you to win fights because you have one more damage dealer than the other team.
Any tank has a 1000 range dash/knockup?
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On January 11 2012 13:58 Two_DoWn wrote:
Lets have a little thought experiment with ezreal:
1- Corki or Ezreal, equal farm, who do you want (either build, triforce or standard ad carry items)
2- Vayne or Ezreal (standard items)
3- Graves or Ezreal
4- Kog or Ezreal
5- Cait or Ezreal. ect...
Time for some answers:
1- Corki. He does everything Ez does, only better. Even if you go for the mid game power build, corki does it better.
2- Vayne. Do I even need to explain this?
3- Graves. Post level 2 he has more lane power, can control the lane much better, and come teamfights he can melt an entire team in 2 abilities. His steroid is better, and his w is incredibly useful for controlling space.
4- Kog. See answer #2.
5- Cait. Her early game is better because she can control the wave and poke better than ez can, and her late game is better because her range is obscene. But of all the hypotheticals I listed, this is the closest, and even then ONLY if you go IE PD instead of the shitty midgame power build
it's situational, Ezreal is the only AD carry that does not require your team to peel for him. He kites people anywhere SOOOO FUCKING HARD with triforce. He also has a short CD instant blink. You can be hit during valkyrie or rocket jump, not Ezreals e though.
The problem? Might as well not be in the game if he's not fed and enemy team is tanky.
And also, Corki does many times more damage than ezreal, his E hurts hard. Actually, Corki is my favorite AD carry just because of how much damage you can do. Plus he shits on Vayne and Ez so hard in lane, moreso than anyone else IMO.
EDIT: Also, I don't know how much you guys have played Corki, but even little items, it's entirely possible to just make someones health bar disappear from full to 0 in 2 seconds. Ezreal at best unless fed can take them to 75%. Their damage cannot be compared at all.
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On January 11 2012 14:05 Alzadar wrote:Show nested quote +On January 11 2012 13:58 Two_DoWn wrote:
Lets have a little thought experiment with ezreal:
1- Corki or Ezreal, equal farm, who do you want (either build, triforce or standard ad carry items)
2- Vayne or Ezreal (standard items)
3- Graves or Ezreal
4- Kog or Ezreal
5- Cait or Ezreal. ect...
Time for some answers:
1- Corki. He does everything Ez does, only better. Even if you go for the mid game power build, corki does it better.
2- Vayne. Do I even need to explain this?
3- Graves. Post level 2 he has more lane power, can control the lane much better, and come teamfights he can melt an entire team in 2 abilities. His steroid is better, and his w is incredibly useful for controlling space.
4- Kog. See answer #2.
5- Cait. Her early game is better because she can control the wave and poke better than ez can, and her late game is better because her range is obscene. But of all the hypotheticals I listed, this is the closest, and even then ONLY if you go IE PD instead of the shitty midgame power build
What does Corki do better than Ezreal, except maybe shred armor? Ezreal's poke is much better and their escape ability is about equal (although the animation for Ezreal is much faster).
Corki's passive is basically broken op, but no one complains about it because they dont do the math on it and realize just how effective it is. The armor shred is HUGE, especially since it benefits the entire team, and his wave clear is heads above ezreal.
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On January 11 2012 14:05 Alzadar wrote:Show nested quote +On January 11 2012 13:58 Two_DoWn wrote:
Lets have a little thought experiment with ezreal:
1- Corki or Ezreal, equal farm, who do you want (either build, triforce or standard ad carry items)
2- Vayne or Ezreal (standard items)
3- Graves or Ezreal
4- Kog or Ezreal
5- Cait or Ezreal. ect...
Time for some answers:
1- Corki. He does everything Ez does, only better. Even if you go for the mid game power build, corki does it better.
2- Vayne. Do I even need to explain this?
3- Graves. Post level 2 he has more lane power, can control the lane much better, and come teamfights he can melt an entire team in 2 abilities. His steroid is better, and his w is incredibly useful for controlling space.
4- Kog. See answer #2.
5- Cait. Her early game is better because she can control the wave and poke better than ez can, and her late game is better because her range is obscene. But of all the hypotheticals I listed, this is the closest, and even then ONLY if you go IE PD instead of the shitty midgame power build
What does Corki do better than Ezreal, except maybe shred armor? Ezreal's poke is much better and their escape ability is about equal (although the animation for Ezreal is much faster).
what doesn't Corki do better?
In lane, Corki can completely deny people CS because the threat of just Q + Auto attack is too high if he's playing with an aggressive support.
Corki can clear waves about 20 times faster
Corki has muchmuch better poke contrary to what you believe
Corki has way more damage assuming same farm.
Corki can actually build IE + PD ..... It honestly just isn't that good on Ezreal.
Also, Ezreal's ult is useless in 1v1, and his steroid is way harder to charge up.
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On January 11 2012 14:11 Two_DoWn wrote:Show nested quote +On January 11 2012 14:05 Alzadar wrote:On January 11 2012 13:58 Two_DoWn wrote:
Lets have a little thought experiment with ezreal:
1- Corki or Ezreal, equal farm, who do you want (either build, triforce or standard ad carry items)
2- Vayne or Ezreal (standard items)
3- Graves or Ezreal
4- Kog or Ezreal
5- Cait or Ezreal. ect...
Time for some answers:
1- Corki. He does everything Ez does, only better. Even if you go for the mid game power build, corki does it better.
2- Vayne. Do I even need to explain this?
3- Graves. Post level 2 he has more lane power, can control the lane much better, and come teamfights he can melt an entire team in 2 abilities. His steroid is better, and his w is incredibly useful for controlling space.
4- Kog. See answer #2.
5- Cait. Her early game is better because she can control the wave and poke better than ez can, and her late game is better because her range is obscene. But of all the hypotheticals I listed, this is the closest, and even then ONLY if you go IE PD instead of the shitty midgame power build
What does Corki do better than Ezreal, except maybe shred armor? Ezreal's poke is much better and their escape ability is about equal (although the animation for Ezreal is much faster). Corki's passive is basically broken op, but no one complains about it because they dont do the math on it and realize just how effective it is. The armor shred is HUGE, especially since it benefits the entire team, and his wave clear is heads above ezreal.
Vayne's true damage is higher than Corki's, although Corki's has the nice benefit of applying on every hit instead of every 3rd hit.
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On January 11 2012 14:11 Two_DoWn wrote:Show nested quote +On January 11 2012 14:05 Alzadar wrote:On January 11 2012 13:58 Two_DoWn wrote:
Lets have a little thought experiment with ezreal:
1- Corki or Ezreal, equal farm, who do you want (either build, triforce or standard ad carry items)
2- Vayne or Ezreal (standard items)
3- Graves or Ezreal
4- Kog or Ezreal
5- Cait or Ezreal. ect...
Time for some answers:
1- Corki. He does everything Ez does, only better. Even if you go for the mid game power build, corki does it better.
2- Vayne. Do I even need to explain this?
3- Graves. Post level 2 he has more lane power, can control the lane much better, and come teamfights he can melt an entire team in 2 abilities. His steroid is better, and his w is incredibly useful for controlling space.
4- Kog. See answer #2.
5- Cait. Her early game is better because she can control the wave and poke better than ez can, and her late game is better because her range is obscene. But of all the hypotheticals I listed, this is the closest, and even then ONLY if you go IE PD instead of the shitty midgame power build
What does Corki do better than Ezreal, except maybe shred armor? Ezreal's poke is much better and their escape ability is about equal (although the animation for Ezreal is much faster). Corki's passive is basically broken op, but no one complains about it because they dont do the math on it and realize just how effective it is. The armor shred is HUGE, especially since it benefits the entire team, and his wave clear is heads above ezreal.
People know how OP it is, since it's common knowledge that Corki's passive does way more than silver bolts does. Especially since you can switch targets, which makes it vastly better.
EDIT: @Alzador, please do not make unfounded statements. Vayne's passive does not even come close to Corki's..... you'd have to double the damage on Vayne passive true damage to come close.
on a 5k HP target (which is absurdly high and not real) max item Vayne will do lower than 450~ damage in 3 hits true damage
on the same target, if Corki has max items, then he will have 350-400 AD, and an IE. This brings him up to 1000-1500 damage crits without mitigation. which is 100-150 true damage a hit. and 300-450 true damage...
Considering that most targets usually have 2k - 4k hp, Corki RAPES Vayne in terms of true damage
EDIT2: Also, at 200 AD, which is with just IE and dorans, you're doing like 50~ (on average) true damage a hit. For Vayne to match that she has to have maxed silver bolts first, and she'd have to be hitting 1.8k+ hp targets which is just not that likely at 20 minutes. (That's more than an AP carry who went Rylais first)
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On January 11 2012 14:19 tobi9999 wrote:Show nested quote +On January 11 2012 14:11 Two_DoWn wrote:On January 11 2012 14:05 Alzadar wrote:On January 11 2012 13:58 Two_DoWn wrote:
Lets have a little thought experiment with ezreal:
1- Corki or Ezreal, equal farm, who do you want (either build, triforce or standard ad carry items)
2- Vayne or Ezreal (standard items)
3- Graves or Ezreal
4- Kog or Ezreal
5- Cait or Ezreal. ect...
Time for some answers:
1- Corki. He does everything Ez does, only better. Even if you go for the mid game power build, corki does it better.
2- Vayne. Do I even need to explain this?
3- Graves. Post level 2 he has more lane power, can control the lane much better, and come teamfights he can melt an entire team in 2 abilities. His steroid is better, and his w is incredibly useful for controlling space.
4- Kog. See answer #2.
5- Cait. Her early game is better because she can control the wave and poke better than ez can, and her late game is better because her range is obscene. But of all the hypotheticals I listed, this is the closest, and even then ONLY if you go IE PD instead of the shitty midgame power build
What does Corki do better than Ezreal, except maybe shred armor? Ezreal's poke is much better and their escape ability is about equal (although the animation for Ezreal is much faster). Corki's passive is basically broken op, but no one complains about it because they dont do the math on it and realize just how effective it is. The armor shred is HUGE, especially since it benefits the entire team, and his wave clear is heads above ezreal. People know how OP it is, since it's common knowledge that Corki's passive does way more than silver bolts does. Especially since you can switch targets, which makes it vastly better.
u have to have a lot of AD before you're doing more dmg per hit than silver bolts
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On January 11 2012 14:16 tobi9999 wrote:Show nested quote +On January 11 2012 14:05 Alzadar wrote:On January 11 2012 13:58 Two_DoWn wrote:
Lets have a little thought experiment with ezreal:
1- Corki or Ezreal, equal farm, who do you want (either build, triforce or standard ad carry items)
2- Vayne or Ezreal (standard items)
3- Graves or Ezreal
4- Kog or Ezreal
5- Cait or Ezreal. ect...
Time for some answers:
1- Corki. He does everything Ez does, only better. Even if you go for the mid game power build, corki does it better.
2- Vayne. Do I even need to explain this?
3- Graves. Post level 2 he has more lane power, can control the lane much better, and come teamfights he can melt an entire team in 2 abilities. His steroid is better, and his w is incredibly useful for controlling space.
4- Kog. See answer #2.
5- Cait. Her early game is better because she can control the wave and poke better than ez can, and her late game is better because her range is obscene. But of all the hypotheticals I listed, this is the closest, and even then ONLY if you go IE PD instead of the shitty midgame power build
What does Corki do better than Ezreal, except maybe shred armor? Ezreal's poke is much better and their escape ability is about equal (although the animation for Ezreal is much faster). what doesn't Corki do better? In lane, Corki can completely deny people CS because the threat of just Q + Auto attack is too high if he's playing with an aggressive support. Corki can clear waves about 20 times faster Corki has muchmuch better poke contrary to what you believe Corki has way more damage assuming same farm. Corki can actually build IE + PD ..... It honestly just isn't that good on Ezreal. Also, Ezreal's ult is useless in 1v1, and his steroid is way harder to charge up.
Just want to discuss the poking ability real quick:
Corki's missiles have a range of 1200, 260 base damage and scale with 0.2 of his AD. He can store 7 missiles and after that he gets one every 10 seconds. They deal magic damage, and do a bit of splash.
Ezreal's mystic shot has 1100 range, 115 base damage and scales with 1.0 of his AD. He has unlimited ammo and a 4 second CD, 3 seconds if he lands a hit. Mystic Shot deals physical damage and applies on-hit effects.
Mystic Shot does much more damage than Missiles and will keep coming long after Corki's out of missiles. The only thing Corki has going for him is the splash, but nobody is going to clump up while Corki is bombarding them with missiles. I suppose the burst when you've stockpiled missiles is good, but the longer the race, the further ahead Ezreal gets.
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also no1 builds mpen on corki, but ppl do build apen on ezreal
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On January 11 2012 14:21 barbsq wrote:Show nested quote +On January 11 2012 14:19 tobi9999 wrote:On January 11 2012 14:11 Two_DoWn wrote:On January 11 2012 14:05 Alzadar wrote:On January 11 2012 13:58 Two_DoWn wrote:
Lets have a little thought experiment with ezreal:
1- Corki or Ezreal, equal farm, who do you want (either build, triforce or standard ad carry items)
2- Vayne or Ezreal (standard items)
3- Graves or Ezreal
4- Kog or Ezreal
5- Cait or Ezreal. ect...
Time for some answers:
1- Corki. He does everything Ez does, only better. Even if you go for the mid game power build, corki does it better.
2- Vayne. Do I even need to explain this?
3- Graves. Post level 2 he has more lane power, can control the lane much better, and come teamfights he can melt an entire team in 2 abilities. His steroid is better, and his w is incredibly useful for controlling space.
4- Kog. See answer #2.
5- Cait. Her early game is better because she can control the wave and poke better than ez can, and her late game is better because her range is obscene. But of all the hypotheticals I listed, this is the closest, and even then ONLY if you go IE PD instead of the shitty midgame power build
What does Corki do better than Ezreal, except maybe shred armor? Ezreal's poke is much better and their escape ability is about equal (although the animation for Ezreal is much faster). Corki's passive is basically broken op, but no one complains about it because they dont do the math on it and realize just how effective it is. The armor shred is HUGE, especially since it benefits the entire team, and his wave clear is heads above ezreal. People know how OP it is, since it's common knowledge that Corki's passive does way more than silver bolts does. Especially since you can switch targets, which makes it vastly better. u have to have a lot of AD before you're doing more dmg per hit than silver bolts
You need about 400 attack damage, which is pretty absurd and means you either have no boots or no defensive items at all. Also you'd need 2+ Bloodthirsters, which means you'll only have ~60% crit chance, not the 100% that he's implying.
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Um the main use of the splash is to hit the champion who has creeps or maybe yorick ghouls in front of him, not the opponents clumping up o_o
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On January 11 2012 14:26 Alzadar wrote:Show nested quote +On January 11 2012 14:16 tobi9999 wrote:On January 11 2012 14:05 Alzadar wrote:On January 11 2012 13:58 Two_DoWn wrote:
Lets have a little thought experiment with ezreal:
1- Corki or Ezreal, equal farm, who do you want (either build, triforce or standard ad carry items)
2- Vayne or Ezreal (standard items)
3- Graves or Ezreal
4- Kog or Ezreal
5- Cait or Ezreal. ect...
Time for some answers:
1- Corki. He does everything Ez does, only better. Even if you go for the mid game power build, corki does it better.
2- Vayne. Do I even need to explain this?
3- Graves. Post level 2 he has more lane power, can control the lane much better, and come teamfights he can melt an entire team in 2 abilities. His steroid is better, and his w is incredibly useful for controlling space.
4- Kog. See answer #2.
5- Cait. Her early game is better because she can control the wave and poke better than ez can, and her late game is better because her range is obscene. But of all the hypotheticals I listed, this is the closest, and even then ONLY if you go IE PD instead of the shitty midgame power build
What does Corki do better than Ezreal, except maybe shred armor? Ezreal's poke is much better and their escape ability is about equal (although the animation for Ezreal is much faster). what doesn't Corki do better? In lane, Corki can completely deny people CS because the threat of just Q + Auto attack is too high if he's playing with an aggressive support. Corki can clear waves about 20 times faster Corki has muchmuch better poke contrary to what you believe Corki has way more damage assuming same farm. Corki can actually build IE + PD ..... It honestly just isn't that good on Ezreal. Also, Ezreal's ult is useless in 1v1, and his steroid is way harder to charge up. Just want to discuss the poking ability real quick: Corki's missiles have a range of 1200, 260 base damage and scale with 0.2 of his AD. He can store 7 missiles and after that he gets one every 10 seconds. They deal magic damage, and do a bit of splash. Ezreal's mystic shot has 1100 range, 115 base damage and scales with 1.0 of his AD. He has unlimited ammo and a 4 second CD, 3 seconds if he lands a hit. Mystic Shot deals physical damage and applies on-hit effects. Mystic Shot does much more damage than Missiles and will keep coming long after Corki's out of missiles. The only thing Corki has going for him is the splash, but nobody is going to clump up while Corki is bombarding them with missiles. I suppose the burst when you've stockpiled missiles is good, but the longer the race, the further ahead Ezreal gets.
Extra 100 range and 1/3 the CD. and it's magic damage, people tend to have A LOT less MR. At least the ones that are affected by poke. Poking with ezreal seems to have a very minor effect, poking with Corki makes people feel like they can't keep staying there although, you are right about the disadvantage with the missile charge. But missiles are harder to dodge, and can splash so hiding behind minions isn't really possible
EDIT: Also, Lol wtf. Corki true damage outscales Vayne's at all stages of the game, unless someone decided to build a quick warmogs while Vayne decides to max silver bolts first. it starts at 10 and goes up to like 150. Which is 30 - 450 in terms of 3 hits, which Vayne can't match against sub 5k hp opponents.
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On January 11 2012 14:35 tobi9999 wrote:Show nested quote +On January 11 2012 14:26 Alzadar wrote:On January 11 2012 14:16 tobi9999 wrote:On January 11 2012 14:05 Alzadar wrote:On January 11 2012 13:58 Two_DoWn wrote:
Lets have a little thought experiment with ezreal:
1- Corki or Ezreal, equal farm, who do you want (either build, triforce or standard ad carry items)
2- Vayne or Ezreal (standard items)
3- Graves or Ezreal
4- Kog or Ezreal
5- Cait or Ezreal. ect...
Time for some answers:
1- Corki. He does everything Ez does, only better. Even if you go for the mid game power build, corki does it better.
2- Vayne. Do I even need to explain this?
3- Graves. Post level 2 he has more lane power, can control the lane much better, and come teamfights he can melt an entire team in 2 abilities. His steroid is better, and his w is incredibly useful for controlling space.
4- Kog. See answer #2.
5- Cait. Her early game is better because she can control the wave and poke better than ez can, and her late game is better because her range is obscene. But of all the hypotheticals I listed, this is the closest, and even then ONLY if you go IE PD instead of the shitty midgame power build
What does Corki do better than Ezreal, except maybe shred armor? Ezreal's poke is much better and their escape ability is about equal (although the animation for Ezreal is much faster). what doesn't Corki do better? In lane, Corki can completely deny people CS because the threat of just Q + Auto attack is too high if he's playing with an aggressive support. Corki can clear waves about 20 times faster Corki has muchmuch better poke contrary to what you believe Corki has way more damage assuming same farm. Corki can actually build IE + PD ..... It honestly just isn't that good on Ezreal. Also, Ezreal's ult is useless in 1v1, and his steroid is way harder to charge up. Just want to discuss the poking ability real quick: Corki's missiles have a range of 1200, 260 base damage and scale with 0.2 of his AD. He can store 7 missiles and after that he gets one every 10 seconds. They deal magic damage, and do a bit of splash. Ezreal's mystic shot has 1100 range, 115 base damage and scales with 1.0 of his AD. He has unlimited ammo and a 4 second CD, 3 seconds if he lands a hit. Mystic Shot deals physical damage and applies on-hit effects. Mystic Shot does much more damage than Missiles and will keep coming long after Corki's out of missiles. The only thing Corki has going for him is the splash, but nobody is going to clump up while Corki is bombarding them with missiles. I suppose the burst when you've stockpiled missiles is good, but the longer the race, the further ahead Ezreal gets. Extra 100 range and 1/3 the CD. and it's magic damage, people tend to have A LOT less MR. At least the ones that are affected by poke. Poking with ezreal seems to have a very minor effect, poking with Corki makes people feel like they can't keep staying there although, you are right about the disadvantage with the missile charge.
I think the difference in your target's armor and MR would be more than made up for by your own penetration stats. I'm not sure the 100 range is very significant, although it is a plus. It's closer to half or even 2/3rds the cooldown when you consider that Ezreal will likely have much more CDR than Corki, and that's only until the missiles run out, at which point things swing way in Ezreal's favor.
I'll concede that Corki does have a few advantages, but overall I feel Ezreal's poking comes out on top.
edit: you all seem to be forgetting that Vayne's silver bolt proc does base damage of 60, it's not only 8% of target health.
At what point in the game does Corki deal 1500 damage per hit? Even with a ludicrous IE/PD/LW/BTx3 build, you fall way short of 1500 on the hits that you do crit, which will be around 60%.
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Is it possible to jungle cow? His ganks would be pretty sick right?
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On January 11 2012 14:35 tobi9999 wrote:Show nested quote +On January 11 2012 14:26 Alzadar wrote:On January 11 2012 14:16 tobi9999 wrote:On January 11 2012 14:05 Alzadar wrote:On January 11 2012 13:58 Two_DoWn wrote:
Lets have a little thought experiment with ezreal:
1- Corki or Ezreal, equal farm, who do you want (either build, triforce or standard ad carry items)
2- Vayne or Ezreal (standard items)
3- Graves or Ezreal
4- Kog or Ezreal
5- Cait or Ezreal. ect...
Time for some answers:
1- Corki. He does everything Ez does, only better. Even if you go for the mid game power build, corki does it better.
2- Vayne. Do I even need to explain this?
3- Graves. Post level 2 he has more lane power, can control the lane much better, and come teamfights he can melt an entire team in 2 abilities. His steroid is better, and his w is incredibly useful for controlling space.
4- Kog. See answer #2.
5- Cait. Her early game is better because she can control the wave and poke better than ez can, and her late game is better because her range is obscene. But of all the hypotheticals I listed, this is the closest, and even then ONLY if you go IE PD instead of the shitty midgame power build
What does Corki do better than Ezreal, except maybe shred armor? Ezreal's poke is much better and their escape ability is about equal (although the animation for Ezreal is much faster). what doesn't Corki do better? In lane, Corki can completely deny people CS because the threat of just Q + Auto attack is too high if he's playing with an aggressive support. Corki can clear waves about 20 times faster Corki has muchmuch better poke contrary to what you believe Corki has way more damage assuming same farm. Corki can actually build IE + PD ..... It honestly just isn't that good on Ezreal. Also, Ezreal's ult is useless in 1v1, and his steroid is way harder to charge up. Just want to discuss the poking ability real quick: Corki's missiles have a range of 1200, 260 base damage and scale with 0.2 of his AD. He can store 7 missiles and after that he gets one every 10 seconds. They deal magic damage, and do a bit of splash. Ezreal's mystic shot has 1100 range, 115 base damage and scales with 1.0 of his AD. He has unlimited ammo and a 4 second CD, 3 seconds if he lands a hit. Mystic Shot deals physical damage and applies on-hit effects. Mystic Shot does much more damage than Missiles and will keep coming long after Corki's out of missiles. The only thing Corki has going for him is the splash, but nobody is going to clump up while Corki is bombarding them with missiles. I suppose the burst when you've stockpiled missiles is good, but the longer the race, the further ahead Ezreal gets. Extra 100 range and 1/3 the CD. and it's magic damage, people tend to have A LOT less MR. At least the ones that are affected by poke. Poking with ezreal seems to have a very minor effect, poking with Corki makes people feel like they can't keep staying there although, you are right about the disadvantage with the missile charge. But missiles are harder to dodge, and can splash so hiding behind minions isn't really possible EDIT: Also, Lol wtf. Corki true damage outscales Vayne's at all stages of the game, unless someone decided to build a quick warmogs while Vayne decides to max silver bolts first. it starts at 10 and goes up to like 150. Which is 30 - 450 in terms of 3 hits, which Vayne can't match against sub 5k hp opponents.
um... what?
ppl tend to balance armor and mres pretty well (@ 1500ish elo, which isn't even very high), except for squishy targets, and ranged AD tend to buy qss.... which means they're going to have more mres than armor.
edit: also, vayne's base dmg on silver bolts start at 20 true dmg without the 8% modifier, so i think you're wrong when you say that 10 true dmg is more than 20
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You can jungle Alistar.
Corki is better than Ezreal because who cares if Ezreal may or may not have better poke. You won't be poking forever and in a straight 1v1 Corki will always win. Even in a teamfight Corki is going to be putting out more damage than Ez.
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Has anyone tried skipping Trinity and going straight for IE/PD on Corki? You'd basically be trading a stronger early/midgame for a monster of a late game.
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On January 11 2012 14:45 anmolsinghmzn2009 wrote:
Is it possible to jungle cow? His ganks would be pretty sick right?
If by cow you mean Alistar then yea it possible in the old jungle and much easier now, however his clear times aren't very good
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